Thoughts about using a KJV update?

[Michiah-Imla]

Here is that verse in English, accurately translated: And so we too constantly thank God that when you received God’s message that you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human message, but as it truly is, God’s message, which is at work among you who believe."

Many other translations render that verse like the KJV does:

ESV
NASB
NIV
RSV

So just because your preferred version has forced the word “message” into the translation just means that the translators, because of the scriptures being needlessly translated too many times, eventually had to sacrifice quality in order for their upteenth version to be different from the hundreds of other translations! Not because “message” was a more accurate translation!

 

[Grailhunter]

To those who have ears to hear:

The NIV has the word “dragon” in Revelation 13:1, replacing the word “I” [with John speaking] in the King James Bible.

1 John 5:7 is the only verse clear verse on the Trinity. Its removed in Modern Bibles.

Colossians 1:14... the blood is taken out.

Romans 8:1 is chopped in half. the essential truth missing is that we must walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit. This truth is removed as a part of having no condemnation in Christ.

The doctrine of casting out persistent demons by fasting and prayer is removed in Matthew 17:21.

Thank you, you have just listed a few...a few of the errors of the KJV.

 

[Jim B]

Your constant attack on the Bible is a work of men.

“Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer.” (Psalms 17:4)

Here is Psalm 17:4, correctly translated: "As for the actions of people—
just as you have commanded,
I have not followed in the footsteps of violent men." NET

"... I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer" is the action of a schizophrenic.

 

[Jim B]

The NIV (New International Version) was the first translation I ever bought. After reading the entire NIV I prayed to God about the NIV translation. I said, Lord if this isn’t your word get it out of my hands. Not long after I was shown how the modern Bibles are corrupted.

In my second year in the faith I began using the King James Bible and it’s been a life changer! The NIV didn’t have a life changing effect on me.

My preference of the KJV is not based on ignorance, it is based on prayer and experience.

@Jim B you need to do some soul searching in yourself and find out why you are soo filled with hate and animosity toward the KJV. This is a spiritual matter and it’s serious.

Thanks for your advice. If I respected you I would heed it. However, I don't respect you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Thanks for your advice. If I respected you I would heed it. However, I don't respect you.

The Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Apostles suffered worse treatment than I have.

Comes with the territory…

 

[Jim B]

Okay, it's time to look at the KJVO problem in greater detail...

I have noticed that not a single KJVO ever writes in early 17th Century Englyshe, the language of the King James translation. Instead, they write in the modern English that proceeds from their thoughts. This had led me to the inescapable conclusion that when they read the King James Version they re-translate it in their brains to determine the meaning in their native language. Why?

Because when they read the archaic language, they feel "holy", as though God cannot lower Himself to use conventional language. What is the problem with this? When God became a human being in the person of Jesus Christ, He was a rural carpenter who spoke Aramaic, a dialect of the common people. He was not a priest in the temple! He didn't participate in the hyped religion of the Pharisees and Sadducees, but instead spoke directly to the people -- sometimes thousands at a time -- in their "common tongue". Why didn't he participate in the hyped religion? Because he recognized that it was all show, but lacked real substance. The "holiness" of the Pharisees and Sadducees was a show of pomposity, but they lacked true understanding.

I sincerely believe that the KJVOs have been seduced in a similar manner. Like the Pharisees (and Sadducees) of old, they are judging by the form of their preferred translation, rather than its substance. Their religiosity compels them to think that their Englyshe is the way that God speaks to His people, not the English that they themselves use every day of their lives, including the posts on this forum.

They are clearly deluded and will use any "fact" and "evidence", no matter how bizarre and far-fetched, to justify their delusion of holiness. They clearly cannot accept that when God became a person he was a common man who spoke in the common language of the people.

They can cite all kinds of "evidence" to support their delusion, but so can those who believe that Sasquatch and UFOs are real. It is no feat to gather evidence to "prove" anything, no matter how false the premise!

We are blessed with an abundance of carefully-researched modern translations in our native language. We do not need an early 15th Century version, developed for a clearly political purpose, to communicate God's message to us. We don't need to re-translate the words of a dead language in our minds, believing that the false "holiness" we feel when doing so is from God. We must require a translation that communicates to our 21st Century minds directly in our native language. When God became human, that is the way He communicated!

Again, there are many excellent translations, written in our native language, to choose from. I personally prefer the NET because it is a) a carefully-researched excellent translation, b) written in conventional, modern English (my native language), and c) contains more than 60,000 notes that explain everything from the translation decisions made to the cultural and historical context of the text. There are of course others that are excellent and are created to be clearly understood by the reader. Whichever translation you choose, I encourage you to read one that communicates clearly in your native language, the one in which you think, read, and write every day of your life.

May God bless you with all wisdom, understanding, and clarity of mind.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

We are blessed with an abundance of carefully-researched modern translations in our native language.

O yes.

And all perfect mirror images of each other, all deleting the same verses and corrupting the same passages in different ways.

Oh the bliss of having an abundance of translations from the corrupted Alexandrian Text tradition!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Ok, so you believe that anyone that does not believe what you believe falls into the liberal camp. I am thinking you do not know the definition of liberal.

No. There are things my fellow brothers in Christ I have fellowship with do not agree on, and I do not think they are liberal.
My definition of liberal comes from established sources from how that word is understood among evangelical Christianity and general educational sources. Some liberals (like yourself) do not simply like the label, although other liberals do not seem to mind it.

1. yes I am a person of science....

No. You are person who believes in unproven theories that unbelieving men have come up with. Evolution that we came from apes is a theory and not Observable Science.

2. There is nothing wrong with liking Christians....

If a Satanist called himself a Christian would you fellowship with him and like to hang out with him? So just because somebody calls themselves a Christian does not mean they are one according to the Bible. That is what you don’t understand.

3. Local flood.....like neighborhood?

Did you forget our previous conversation on this matter? Try Googling it if you really don’t know.

4. Sodomy....LOL....I was trying to get you to define sodomy.

And therein lies the problem. Christians don’t have to ask each other what certain words mean in the Bible because they agree on what they mean, just as a mechanic does not have to explain what a tire is on a car.

5. Yep, me and kids went trick or treating.

Do you believe God condemned witchcraft in the Bible or was that something was a mistake or error that crept in by men?

6. So you think that to be a Christian you have to hate your own father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters. And yes it is in the manuscripts so any accurate Bible will include this verse....so also the verse about stars falling to earth and giving away everything you own....But unlike accurate Bibles the KJV has added things that do not belong there and re-worded scriptures...it is very long list.

Yes, I believe I do but the word “hate” is archaic and it means to love less.

Source:
King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - Hate

Anyways, I gotta run, the rest of what you wrote will have to wait until another time.

May God’s love shine upon you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Because when they read the archaic language, they feel "holy"

I feel nourished. Not holy.

when they read the King James Version they re-translate it in their brains to determine the meaning in their native language.

I have memorized scripture out of KJV.

It doesn’t take much effort to know what doeth, saith, ye, etc. mean. Aren’t you intelligent enough to know what these mean on-the-fly?

 

[Jim B]

The Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Apostles suffered worse treatment than I have.

Comes with the territory…

You're actually comparing yourself to the Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Apostles? Can you spell modesty and/or delusion?

Have you been crucified? Have you been murdered? Have you been beaten and/or stoned and left to die? Have you been persecuted and forced to flee and save your life?

 

[Jim B]

No. There are things my fellow brothers in Christ I have fellowship with do not agree on, and I do not think they are liberal.
My definition of liberal comes from established sources from how that word is understood among evangelical Christianity and general educational sources. Some liberals (like yourself) do not simply like the label, although other liberals do not seem to mind it.



No. You are person who believes in unproven theories that unbelieving men have come up with. Evolution that we came from apes is a theory and not Observable Science.



If a Satanist called himself a Christian would you fellowship with him and like to hang out with him? So just because somebody calls themselves a Christian does not mean they are one according to the Bible. That is what you don’t understand.



Did you forget our previous conversation on this matter? Try Googling it if you really don’t know.



And therein lies the problem. Christians don’t have to ask each other what certain words mean in the Bible because they agree on what they mean, just as a mechanic does not have to explain what a tire is on a car.



Do you believe God condemned witchcraft in the Bible or was that something was a mistake or error that crept in by men?



Yes, I believe I do but the word “hate” is archaic and it means to love less.

Source:
King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - Hate

Anyways, I gotta run, the rest of what you wrote will have to wait until another time.

May God’s love shine upon you.

The majority of your post is nonsense, as usual. However, one thing struck me: you wrote "Yes, I believe I do but the word “hate” is archaic and it means to love less." So there is a word in the KJV that is archaic and needs to be interpreted? Congratulations! There is hope for you yet!

 

[Jim B]

I feel nourished. Not holy.



I have memorized scripture out of KJV.

It doesn’t take much effort to know what doeth, saith, ye, etc. mean. Aren’t you intelligent enough to know what these mean on-the-fly?

You are clearly deluded.

Adam and Eve felt nourished also!

BTW, what in your opinion do doeth, saith, ye, etc. mean?

 

[farouk]

I have memorized scripture out of KJV.

Good point; the KJV is easier to memorize, it seems...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You're actually comparing yourself to the Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Apostles?

For all the praise you bestow on modern Bibles you sure don’t spend much time READING them:

“The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?” (Matthew 10:24-25)

I am of the Lord’s household.

 

[farouk]

For all the praise you bestow on modern Bibles you sure don’t spend much time READING them:

“The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?” (Matthew 10:24-25)

I am of the Lord’s household.

Yes, the point is, Read the Word of God....

 

[Jim B]

For all the praise you bestow on modern Bibles you sure don’t spend much time READING them:

“The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?” (Matthew 10:24-25)

I am of the Lord’s household.

As am I.

I spend a lot of time READING [why all caps?] modern translations. And I understand what I read.

Your quote is clearly a misapplication of Scripture.

Again, have you been crucified? Have you been murdered? Have you been beaten and/or stoned and left to die? Have you been persecuted and forced to flee and save your life?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Again, have you been crucified? Have you been murdered? Have you been beaten and/or stoned and left to die? Have you been persecuted and forced to flee and save your life?

For goodness sake @Jim B do you not read my posts?!

I said (post 866):

The Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Apostles suffered worse treatment than I have.

 

[farouk]

My preference of the KJV is not based on ignorance, it is based on prayer and experience.

Although I won't say that other versions cannot be a source of blessing, my own strong preference in English is for the King James, anyway.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

BTW, what in your opinion do doeth, saith, ye, etc. mean?

I perceive that answering your questions will only lead to more petty questions…

 

[Jim B]

For goodness sake @Jim B do you not read my posts?!

I said (post 866):

The Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Apostles suffered worse treatment than I have.

Apparently you didn't read my post #871. I said "You're actually comparing yourself to the Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Apostles? Can you spell modesty and/or delusion?"

You compared yourself to them. Even if their treatment was worse you still imply that your suffering can be regarded in the same light. Stop the false image of martyrdom because others disagree with you. You appear foolish!