What and when is the rapture part two?

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

but that does not mean that is the way He returns.

manner is not defined as to who was there! You should know that at your age!

The bible clearly shows the watchtower lie you vomit out here:

Revelation 1:7
King James Version

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


All the nations didn't cry in 1914 because of Jesus! EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM

Once again the Watchtower has lied to you!

The manner Jesus ascended into heaven was quietly the world was unaware this happened. The only ones who were aware of his ascension were the disciples of Jesus Christ. So at his return if we go by what the two angels said, that Jesus would return in the same manner that he left that does mean we would expect that at his second presence his true followers only would be aware we're living in the second presence of Jesus Christ.
Those scriptures in Revelation 1:7 isn't talking about everybody on earth literally seeing Jesus what those people are literally seeing is the start of Armageddon because that verse in Revelation chapter one takes us right to when Armageddon is happening. When Armageddon begins then everyone on earth will know that they had been living in the last days and in Jesus second presence but it will be too late for them. Just as in the days of Noah.
There's a witnessing work that Jesus Christ true followers are doing right now, going to all nations speaking to them about the Messianic kingdom that Jesus is king of and that we are living in the last days and that we are living in the second presence of Jesus Christ. The majority of the world disbelieves this, just as the people in Noah's day disbelieved him. Many scoff at us just as the people of Noah's day scoffed at him. The world in general won't realize all this is true until Armageddon begins, then they'll know but it will be too late.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Fieldsa of cow Dung!

Jesus left visibly and will return visibly! Teh Scriptures declare so! EVERY (meaning all) EYE (optomai) visible sight will see . It does not mean understanding. Teh JW's are wrong!

So you claim to be one of his disciples-- have you seen Him?

Do you really think the king of kings would allow His kingdom to live in evil like this for 108 years now?

At John 14:19 Jesus tell his disciples that the world will not see him any more. True to Jesus words after Jesus was resurrected Jesus only appeared to his followers/believers. So when Jesus ascended back to heaven only his followers/believers were aware this happened. This is the manner that Jesus ascended to heaven. So the only ones who will be aware that we today are living in the invisible second presence of Jesus Christ are those who truly have faith in YHWH God and his Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ.
What's been going on these past108 years is the preaching of the kingdom to all the nations. When this work of preaching about the kingdom has been done to YHWH God satisfaction then the end will come, not before.

 

[ewq1938]

Humans are souls they don't have souls.

Scripture says we have a soul.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Scripture says we have a soul.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Bible’s description of the human soul is found at Genesis 2:7, which says, “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of the dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be(became)a living soul.” Please note, man did not receive a soul, rather, he came to be(became) a living soul. So man is a soul. Human beings do not possess a soul, but a human being is a soul. A living human soul has two vital components: fleshly body plus life-force(spirit). Separate the life-force(spirit) from the body, and there is no living soul. The soul becomes nonexistent. Man is no longer “a breather,” and therefore, is no longer a soul. It is like water made of two gases, hydrogen and oxygen. By combining these two gases in correct proportions, water is formed. Extract one of the gases from the compound, and the water ceases to exist.
The breath of life refers to more than just breath or air moving into the lungs. God provided Adam with both the spirit or spark of life and the breath needed to keep him alive.

In the apostle Paul’s discussion, in his first letter to the Corinthians, of the resurrection of Christians to spirit life he contrasts “that which is physical [psy·khi·konʹ, literally, soulical]” with “that which is spiritual [pneu·ma·ti·konʹ].” Thus, he shows that Christians until the time of their death have a “soulical” body, even as did the first man Adam; whereas, when they are resurrected such anointed Christians receive a spiritual body like that of the glorified Jesus Christ. (1Co 15:42-49)

 

[ewq1938]

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You keep avoiding this scripture. Please address it:

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You keep avoiding this scripture. Please address it:

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul was intensely concerned for the spiritual welfare of the entire Christian congregation of Thessalonia and this is reflected in his prayerful, heartfelt petition here at 1Thessalonians 5:23, 24 In the context this petition, the three terms has the following meanings: Spirit here means the dominant attitude of the whole congregation. The scriptures at 1corinthians 5:5 and Galatians 6:18 show the word spirit used this way also. The word soul here at 1Thessalonians 5:23,24 is the life or existence, of the congregation, and the word body is used to mean the composite group of anointed Christians who make up the congregation. Paul also uses the word body this way at 1Corinthians 12:12,13. As I said Paul was intensely concerned for the whole congregation of Thessalonia is evident in his asking that God to sanctify them “completely” and that He preserve them “sound in every respect.”
As I said Spirit means the congregations dominant attitude
Soul means life or existence of the congregation
Body means the composite group that make up the congregation

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The manner Jesus ascended into heaven was quietly the world was unaware this happened. The only ones who were aware of his ascension were the disciples of Jesus Christ. So at his return if we go by what the two angels said, that Jesus would return in the same manner that he left that does mean we would expect that at his second presence his true followers only would be aware we're living in the second presence of Jesus Christ.
Those scriptures in Revelation 1:7 isn't talking about everybody on earth literally seeing Jesus what those people are literally seeing is the start of Armageddon because that verse in Revelation chapter one takes us right to when Armageddon is happening. When Armageddon begins then everyone on earth will know that they had been living in the last days and in Jesus second presence but it will be too late for them. Just as in the days of Noah.
There's a witnessing work that Jesus Christ true followers are doing right now, going to all nations speaking to them about the Messianic kingdom that Jesus is king of and that we are living in the last days and that we are living in the second presence of Jesus Christ. The majority of the world disbelieves this, just as the people in Noah's day disbelieved him. Many scoff at us just as the people of Noah's day scoffed at him. The world in general won't realize all this is true until Armageddon begins, then they'll know but it will be too late.

No that was not the manner- He went up physically and visibly to the disciples gathered. REvelation exposaes the watchtower lie because when Jesus returns every eye will see him and the nations will mourn because of Him. that did not happen in 1914 and you know that!.

When Jesus returns that is teh final battle of Armeggedon at teh Rock city of Petra!

and you are lying about explaining Rev. 1:7. If it means what your watchtower indoctrinators taught you, why did not God just say that? the ordiniary person seeking god without anyone's help would understand that to be that every eye will see HIM (not some battle) and all the nations will mourn! All you are doing is rewriting Scripture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

At John 14:19 Jesus tell his disciples that the world will not see him any more. True to Jesus words after Jesus was resurrected Jesus only appeared to his followers/believers. So when Jesus ascended back to heaven only his followers/believers were aware this happened. This is the manner that Jesus ascended to heaven. So the only ones who will be aware that we today are living in the invisible second presence of Jesus Christ are those who truly have faith in YHWH God and his Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ.
What's been going on these past108 years is the preaching of the kingdom to all the nations. When this work of preaching about the kingdom has been done to YHWH God satisfaction then the end will come, not before.

C'mon man! You are not that ignorant of Grammar! YOU know Jesus was talking about His death, physical resurrection and then ascenscion! He was not talking about for all time. shame on you for butchering basic grammar.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Ronald Nolette said:
No that was not the manner- He went up physically and visibly to the disciples gathered. REvelation exposaes the watchtower lie because when Jesus returns every eye will see him and the nations will mourn because of Him. that did not happen in 1914 and you know that!.[/QUOTE\]

Yeah it is the manner he left. Jesus followers were the only ones aware that he had ascended into heaven. That's the truth, it's not anybody's indoctrination. I'm not going to believe a lie just because people have a problem with JW's. I'm also not going to call Jesus a liar when he said at John 14:19 the world wouldn't see him again. True to what he said no one but his followers saw him after his resurrection.
And at Revelation 1:7 I know that when the scriptures say that every eye will see him including those who pierced him I know that the ones who pierced Jesus were roman soldiers. I'm supposed to believe that those roman soldiers are still living today, that they're 1900 years old, I don't think so. Those roman soldiers are not going to literally see anyone, they're dead.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

C'mon man! You are not that ignorant of Grammar! YOU know Jesus was talking about His death, physical resurrection and then ascenscion! He was not talking about for all time. shame on you for butchering basic grammar.

I'm not ashamed of believing the truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Paul was intensely concerned for the spiritual welfare of the entire Christian congregation of Thessalonia and this is reflected in his prayerful, heartfelt petition here at 1Thessalonians 5:23, 24 In the context this petition, the three terms has the following meanings: Spirit here means the dominant attitude of the whole congregation. The scriptures at 1corinthians 5:5 and Galatians 6:18 show the word spirit used this way also. The word soul here at 1Thessalonians 5:23,24 is the life or existence, of the congregation, and the word body is used to mean the composite group of anointed Christians who make up the congregation. Paul also uses the word body this way at 1Corinthians 12:12,13. As I said Paul was intensely concerned for the whole congregation of Thessalonia is evident in his asking that God to sanctify them “completely” and that He preserve them “sound in every respect.”
As I said Spirit means the congregations dominant attitude
Soul means life or existence of the congregation
Body means the composite group that make up the congregation

Come on. You are denying clear scripture here. In 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Paul clearly indicated that human beings have a body, soul and spirit. Don't deny that just because it doesn't agree with your doctrine. Instead, accept it and adjust your doctrine accordingly.

The following indicates that we have a soul, also.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

We all have a body, soul and spirit. Apparently, based on what it says in Hebrews 4:12 there is a very close connection between the soul and spirit. But, they are still separate parts of us.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Come on. You are denying clear scripture here. In 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Paul clearly indicated that human beings have a body, soul and spirit. Don't deny that just because it doesn't agree with your doctrine. Instead, accept it and adjust your doctrine accordingly.

The following indicates that we have a soul, also.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

We all have a body, soul and spirit. Apparently, based on what it says in Hebrews 4:12 there is a very close connection between the soul and spirit. But, they are still separate parts of us.

No actually I'm not denying scripture, but you go ahead and believe that.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Come on. You are denying clear scripture here. In 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Paul clearly indicated that human beings have a body, soul and spirit. Don't deny that just because it doesn't agree with your doctrine. Instead, accept it and adjust your doctrine accordingly.

The following indicates that we have a soul, also.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

We all have a body, soul and spirit. Apparently, based on what it says in Hebrews 4:12 there is a very close connection between the soul and spirit. But, they are still separate parts of us.

You're still looking at these scriptures incorrectly. These scriptures are not saying we have a soul. The word Soul in the context of Hebrews 4:12 means the life of the individual and the word spirit means a person's mental deposition or heart attitude.
This scripture is showing us that God's word doesn't stop at just a surface view of human actions but it penetrates beneath the surface to discern motives and attitudes, to divide between fleshly desires and mental dispositions.

 

[ewq1938]

You're still looking at these scriptures incorrectly. These scriptures are not saying we have a soul.

It does say we have a soul and so does God!

Jesus has a soul:

Mat_26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


Does the Father have a soul? Yes:

Isa_1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Isa_42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

.k

It does say we have a soul and so does God!

Jesus has a soul:

Mat_26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


Does the Father have a soul? Yes:

Isa_1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Isa_42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

All Matthew 26:38 is saying is that Jesus is in a deeply troubled state of mind. This scripture describes this state that Jesus is in as he is so distressed that he almost feels what he's going through was going to kill him(not literally) This scripture isn't talking about Jesus having a soul.

Acts 2:31 isn't talking about Jesus having a soul. It's simply saying that Jesus went into the common grave of mankind jul

 

[ewq1938]

.k


All Matthew 26:38 is saying is that Jesus is in a deeply troubled state of mind. This scripture describes this state that Jesus is in as he is so distressed that he almost feels what he's going through was going to kill him(not literally) This scripture isn't talking about Jesus having a soul.

Acts 2:31 isn't talking about Jesus having a soul. It's simply saying that Jesus went into the common grave of mankind jul

Both confirm that Jesus has a soul. So does his father, so do we.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Both confirm that Jesus has a soul. So does his father, so do we.

Actually they don't, but I don't expect you to agree. If I were to say red looks red, you wouldn't agree.

 

[ewq1938]

Actually they don't, but I don't expect you to agree. If I were to say red looks red, you wouldn't agree.

Sure but I have very clear scripture that shows we all have souls not just that we are souls (different definition and concept). It's your religion that bars you from accepting this which is a doctrinal bias. I don't have that limitation or theology to defend at all costs. I am here to learn and I have no scared cows so if it's taught in scripture, I believe.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Sure but I have very clear scripture that shows we all have souls not just that we are souls (different definition and concept). It's your religion that bars you from accepting this which is a doctrinal bias. I don't have that limitation or theology to defend at all costs. I am here to learn and I have no scared cows so if it's taught in scripture, I believe.

It's not true what you have chosen to believe, is true. But I don't expect you to believe that.

 

[ewq1938]

It's a lie you have chosen to believe, not the truth.

It's from the bible so it's not a lie. What you believe in is the lie.