Scripture Study of The Immortal Soul (Spirit of Man/Woman)

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I would have to do a proper study reading all of 1 Peter and getting to that point Sir.

So I don’t know what it means right now at this moment, perhaps I’ll get back to you on that.
what do you mean you don't understand it, must you consult with shawn first ?

any believer can understand Peters simple instruction in the passage
 

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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

  • Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


  • Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.


  • Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

  • 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

  • Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

  • Revelation 22:14-15
  • 14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
  • 15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.
 

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where do people go when they die?
This is not rocket science. There are just TWO DESTINATIONS. Heaven or Hades. Souls and spirits are imperishable, and they continue to live in either of those two regions. But those in Hades await their final judgment.
 
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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

  • Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


  • Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.


  • Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

  • 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

  • Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

  • Revelation 22:14-15
  • 14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
  • 15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.
No such thing as an immortal soul. This concept is foreign to the Bible and was borrowed by early Christians from Greek Philosophers. When we die we are dead. For life, we await the resurrection.
 

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@Enoch111 even though we see differently at least your someone believes that God has a place somewhere for people to go… it seems some here have no hope or they are unsure of where people go in general it is very disappointing and sad.

@CadyandZoe will people be raised up out of their graves when that happens? Would it believers only to you or unbelievers or both? Please feel free to share your thoughts.
 

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No such thing as an immortal soul. This concept is foreign to the Bible and was borrowed by early Christians from Greek Philosophers. When we die we are dead. For life, we await the resurrection.
Looks like you have become a cultist. Good luck with that.
 

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Only 50 :cool:
tn Heb “dying you will die.”
Even the translation note shows the Hebrew.
Its conveying the certainty of death, but not an execution style death on that day.
As as side rather than using your machine gun approach to prove the immortal essence show me a passage of Scripture that teaches the disembodiment of the flesh and spirit - just one for now - your strongest text. Evidence this immortal soul leaves the body as a person.
Good luck.
The Bible gateway.com offers about 60 translations (one verse at a time) that you can scroll down and examine. But as I said, it was two-fold death, a physical long term dying death of cells, a distorting of the genetic code, corrupting and creating all sorts of illnesses in all living things AND spiritual separation (death) from God.
Jesus _ on the cross _ said to the thief next to him, "Today, you will be in Paradise"! "You" meaning his spirit. Not in a few thousand years at the resurrection, TODAY.
Jesus also said, to the Father in his last breath, receive my spirit. His body died, but His spirit was very much alive. Or do you think He slept for three days? Then how could he be in Paradise that day?
When Stephen was stoned to death, on his last cry he said, "Lord receive my spirit". That means now, not in 3,000 years.
Paul taught, "To be absent the body is to be present with the Lord". That means when we die, our spirit ( the new creature, the purified essence of our self), goes directly to be with the Lord.
This is a fundamental doctrine in Christianity. If you are not a JW or SDA, I am surprised you question this.

“Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3
>>Christians are in the Kingdom of God, therefore we have been born again. We are a new creature, yet we still have the flesh, our bodies. Our bodies do not pass on, nor does our old self, who died. Our new self passes on – immediately!

“and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt.18:3
>> One must be converted before death. We have been converted.

“Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thes. 5:23
>> At our Lord’s coming will be the time of our resurrection. So we will have new bodies as well.

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,” Rom. 8:16 >>

"And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' ” Acts 7:59 >> His request meant NOW, not in 3,000 years.

"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven." 2 Cor. 12:2 >> Either this man’s spirit left his body and saw heaven or had a vision of heaven - Paul was uncertain. The point is, our spirit is able to separate from our bodies and will separate from our bodies at death.

"… Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." Rev. 2:10 >> When we die, we get a crown at that time, not 1,000 years later; and it’s a promise. When we make a promise to our kids, if you complete your year in school, with good grades, I will take you to Disneyland. When Dad? “ “In twenty years or so … just kidding, how about today or tomorrow or whenever you like?"

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" Rom. 8:35 >> Not even death can separate us. If we didn’t exist or we were just not conscious after death, we would be separated – wouldn’t we?

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb. 4:12 >> If soul and spirit were the same, they couldn’t be separated.

"And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:26 >> Do you believe this? We won’t be spiritually separated from God at death.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” John 8:56 >> How did Abraham see Jesus’ day unless he was alive in heaven? He has not been resurrected yet, but his spirit is there. Moses and Elijah appeared at the Mt of Transfiguration when Jesus showed his glory. They were spiritually alive, in heaven, not asleep.

That's a machinge gun, it's a simi-automatic rifle.
 

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Yet though a body is alive, natural spirit is alive, soul is alive...
~ A man “separated”, body, soul, spirit FROM God is “spiritually dead”.
What do you mean by natural spirit. I think of nature as physical and heaven as spiritual. Nature as in character, okay, invisible spiritual attributes that are manifest in reality.

In the Garden, every day Adam had the Presence of God with him IN that Specific Location.
The moment Adam was escorted OUT of the Garden, he was “separated” from Gods presence. That was the day, (and moment) Adam “died”.
When they sinned, they were naked! Exposed, in shame and God could no longer walk with them as He did before. He talked to them audibly but it is not clear He walked anymore with them.

We also note, God forgave Adam (when God covered Adams “sin”, ie flesh body that Sinned Against God. Obviously slaying an animal, “ie sacrifice” for the sin of the mans body, and presumption of the animals blood spilled, (ie the blood was its life), for forgiveness of sin.
He covered Adam but didn't remove sin. Jesus removed sin from mankind. Jesus sacrifice was imputed to all those OT faithful believers. That is a difficult one, since heaven is outside out time domain. It was already done ... multiple dimensions. ? Like we are somehow transformed in a time machine back to the cross with Christ and died with him. Adam never disbelieved in God, he was just disobedient. His faith was sound as you say because he passed it down to his sons and in essence to Noah.
 

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A defiled conscience is not a dead conscience!...just needs cleaning Ephesians 5:26


25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; 26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, 27 that he might present the church to himself a glorious [church], not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
>> talking about husbands loving their wives as Christ loves the Church ... as He cleanses it with the word, we should love and forgive our wives though they may go off on a tangent, to play in left field or max out your credit cards! "I forgive you, just don't do it again!" Sanctification is two-fold. It happens instantly when we are born again, a spiritual rebirth. Then gradually the Spirit sanctifies, works to transform our soul and behavior to conform to Christ. Spiritual growth happens as the seed is wated and the sin that dwells in our flesh is mortified.
 

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The Bible gateway.com offers about 60 translations (one verse at a time) that you can scroll down and examine. But as I said, it was two-fold death, a physical long term dying death of cells, a distorting of the genetic code, corrupting and creating all sorts of illnesses in all living things AND spiritual separation (death) from God.
Jesus _ on the cross _ said to the thief next to him, "Today, you will be in Paradise"! "You" meaning his spirit. Not in a few thousand years at the resurrection, TODAY.
Jesus also said, to the Father in his last breath, receive my spirit. His body died, but His spirit was very much alive. Or do you think He slept for three days? Then how could he be in Paradise that day?
When Stephen was stoned to death, on his last cry he said, "Lord receive my spirit". That means now, not in 3,000 years.
Paul taught, "To be absent the body is to be present with the Lord". That means when we die, our spirit ( the new creature, the purified essence of our self), goes directly to be with the Lord.
This is a fundamental doctrine in Christianity. If you are not a JW or SDA, I am surprised you question this.

“Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3
>>Christians are in the Kingdom of God, therefore we have been born again. We are a new creature, yet we still have the flesh, our bodies. Our bodies do not pass on, nor does our old self, who died. Our new self passes on – immediately!

“and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt.18:3
>> One must be converted before death. We have been converted.

“Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thes. 5:23
>> At our Lord’s coming will be the time of our resurrection. So we will have new bodies as well.

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,” Rom. 8:16 >>

"And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' ” Acts 7:59 >> His request meant NOW, not in 3,000 years.

"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven." 2 Cor. 12:2 >> Either this man’s spirit left his body and saw heaven or had a vision of heaven - Paul was uncertain. The point is, our spirit is able to separate from our bodies and will separate from our bodies at death.

"… Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." Rev. 2:10 >> When we die, we get a crown at that time, not 1,000 years later; and it’s a promise. When we make a promise to our kids, if you complete your year in school, with good grades, I will take you to Disneyland. When Dad? “ “In twenty years or so … just kidding, how about today or tomorrow or whenever you like?"

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" Rom. 8:35 >> Not even death can separate us. If we didn’t exist or we were just not conscious after death, we would be separated – wouldn’t we?

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb. 4:12 >> If soul and spirit were the same, they couldn’t be separated.

"And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:26 >> Do you believe this? We won’t be spiritually separated from God at death.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” John 8:56 >> How did Abraham see Jesus’ day unless he was alive in heaven? He has not been resurrected yet, but his spirit is there. Moses and Elijah appeared at the Mt of Transfiguration when Jesus showed his glory. They were spiritually alive, in heaven, not asleep.

That's a machinge gun, it's a simi-automatic rifle.

A lot of quotes about people there but nothing showing a disembodied person.

Disembodied means: separated from or existing without the body.
 
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25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; 26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, 27 that he might present the church to himself a glorious [church], not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
>> talking about husbands loving their wives as Christ loves the Church ... as He cleanses it with the word, we should love and forgive our wives though they may go off on a tangent, to play in left field or max out your credit cards! "I forgive you, just don't do it again!" Sanctification is two-fold. It happens instantly when we are born again, a spiritual rebirth. Then gradually the Spirit sanctifies, works to transform our soul and behavior to conform to Christ. Spiritual growth happens as the seed is wated and the sin that dwells in our flesh is mortified.

Yes the washing of the conscience is developing the mind of Christ in us. Philippians 2:5
This mind is not instantly given to you - one must labour to receive! 2 Timothy 3:16
 

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A lot of quotes about people there but nothing showing a disembodied person.

Disembodied means: separated from or existing without the body.
God is a person, without a body. The Holy Spirit is God, a person, without a body. Christians who die, do not have a body and ascend into heaven, exist, are conscious. This is common Christian theology. Where did you get yours?
In Acts 7:59 - Stephen is about to be disembodied and ascend into heaven.
The thief next to Jesus is about to die and his spirit promised to be in Paradise on that day.
2 Cor. 12:2 describes a person either out of their body while visiting heaven or receiving a vision.
Rev. 2:10 - Jesus gives a crown of life to those who have lived a life of faith until death. They are given a crown, without a their dead physical body, yet have an spiritual body in heaven and put it on.
John 8:56 tells us Abraham rejoiced on to see the Messiah come. Abraham died long ago, so he must have seen all this in heaven while it was happening.
You did not deny you were a JW or SDA. ?? If someone suspected that I was either, I would quickly correct them, though I would be in agreement with much of the SDA theology, just not concerning soul sleep.
 

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God is a person, without a body. The Holy Spirit is God, a person, without a body. Christians who die, do not have a body and ascend into heaven, exist, are conscious. This is common Christian theology. Where did you get yours?
In Acts 7:59 - Stephen is about to be disembodied and ascend into heaven.
The thief next to Jesus is about to die and his spirit promised to be in Paradise on that day.
2 Cor. 12:2 describes a person either out of their body while visiting heaven or receiving a vision.
Rev. 2:10 - Jesus gives a crown of life to those who have lived a life of faith until death. They are given a crown, without a their dead physical body, yet have an spiritual body in heaven and put it on.
John 8:56 tells us Abraham rejoiced on to see the Messiah come. Abraham died long ago, so he must have seen all this in heaven while it was happening.
You did not deny you were a JW or SDA. ?? If someone suspected that I was either, I would quickly correct them, though I would be in agreement with much of the SDA theology, just not concerning soul sleep.
@Ronald David Bruno We do know that the Lord Jesus has a body (after the Incarnation) - John 1.14; Colossians 2.9; 1 Timothy 3.16 - and that He rose again bodily (1 Corinthians 15).
 

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What do you mean by natural spirit. I think of nature as physical and heaven as spiritual. Nature as in character, okay, invisible spiritual attributes that are manifest in reality.

Already said.
Do you not understand?


When they sinned, they were naked! Exposed, in shame and God could no longer walk with them as He did before. He talked to them audibly but it is not clear He walked anymore with them.

Yes. Nakedness was not shameful until they disobeyed.

He covered Adam but didn't remove sin. Jesus removed sin from mankind. Jesus sacrifice was imputed to all those OT faithful believers.

Correct, Sin was forgiven, and repetitively forgiven.

That is a difficult one, since heaven is outside out time domain. It was already done ... multiple dimensions. ? Like we are somehow transformed in a time machine back to the cross with Christ and died with him. Adam never disbelieved in God, he was just disobedient. His faith was sound as you say because he passed it down to his sons and in essence to Noah.

Okay. Thanks for your response.
 

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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

@Ronald David Bruno
@robert derrick

Disagree somewhat. In brief.
Natural Body’s of man begin with mankind’s seeds.
The Body develops, (law of nature, 9 mo.)
Hand of God Forms the body.
Body born, disconnected from mother’s life source, placenta.
God breaths his breath of life, (soul) into that individual.
Receipt of soul/ Gods Breath...ears hear, eyes see, etc. senses activated
* babe grows, mind gathers information from seeing, hearing, ie senses.
* mind believes, changes thoughts, learns more, believes, rejects, wonders, ponders, regularly vacillates. (And Against God).
* heart has feelings, thoughts, secret, true, regardless of what the mind thinks, and acts on.

* mind thinks, plots, plans, mommy’s not looking, go sneak a cookie, gets caught, mind thinks get mad at mommy for catching him, get more mad at mommy for scolding him. Separate child, nothing to do but think. Right to be mad at mommy? Minds thought, YES. Hearts thought, NO. Continue in separation. What is going to supersede?
Minds thoughts? Pout, be mad, mumble under breath, plot more?
Hearts thoughts? Sorry, want to be with mommy, Hugs, Behave?

*That scenario begins with toddlers. The Dividing between the Minds thoughts and Hearts thoughts Continues. (In the secular world, it it medically diagnosed as anxiety, bi-polar, depression, mental illness, etc.).
* In the Spiritual Understanding, The Dividing between the Minds thoughts and Hearts thoughts is about, Circumcision of the Heart.
* It began in the OT, men new to life, little history of experience knowledge, Foreskin circumcision. A giving of man’s token in agreement to Gods Promise.
* The foreskin was a foreshadow to circumcision of the Heart...
Deut 30:
[6] And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Later more knowledge:
Ezek 11:
[19] And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezek.18
[31] Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezek.36
[26] A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Later more knowledge;
Jesus arrives. Offered His Body, for the Life of the World. A body of man to become Spiritually Dead, Offered His Blood for forgiveness...
OF WHAT? Forgiveness of WHAT?
Having been naturally born in UNBELIEF. Having grown in UNBELIEF.
Choosing to Hear, a works, (Given measure of Faith)
Choosing to Believe what you hear, a service (receive Gods blessings)
Choosing to Repeatedly Via Jesus, Repent while learning.
And? Continue, or reject.
Continue? Option to “commit”. A service. Called Conversion.
* Repent, sorry for not having believed.
* offer body, dead (yet alive) crucified with Christ. Called a living Sacrifice. Rom 12:1
* Soul Saved, (restored) backed to Very good, as it was when given.
(Pss 23:3)
* Spirit of man? Thoughts in his natural Heart? Circumcised, cut off.
* receives, new heart, receives Gods Seed, receives Gods “Spirit of Truth” (HS, Gods Truth, In New Heart), called born again. (John 14:17)
* AND? What more can a man Do?
* his body, his soul, his spirit in his new heart, Each have become acceptable For God to claim as his adopted son.
* AND? Gods Holy Spirit with and IN that man....doing what?
* Keeping that man, WITH Him forever, BY HIS OWN POWER.
(Ie The Promise of the KING, who is true and faithful, TO put on Uncorruption on the body, on the day it is raised up, It’s soul saved, It’s spirit quickened...and Waits until, all worldly prophecy comes to pass.)
(The works of wicked men, The people making their choices, The Tribulations of God, The punishments upon men who reject Him, The Punishments upon Israel for Rejecting Jesus, The sending of 2 Hebrew Prophets, 144,000 Tribesmen to teach the Gospel to the Jews to save the Jews, and utter destruction of the Earth and it’s inhabitants who stood fast, rejecting the Lord God.)

Body is one thing. Soul is another thing. Spirit is another thing.
Each has LIFE.
Body/ Blood it’s life...must die...to be made alive.
Soul/ Gods Breath it’s life;is dead;against God; must be made restored.
Spirit/ Truth it’s life; is natural, must be cut off, made anew, Gods seed, Gods truth, born again.


Until a mans Life is MADE WHOLLY WHOLE ...body, soul, spirit, “MADE” ALIVE (passed through death, crucified, saved, born again.....
* He IS subject to Gods Anger, Gods Wrath, Gods Punishments, and the whole Point of the Last Great Tribulation of God...SEPARATING the DIVIDED, with and without the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
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