attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[Heart2Soul]

Paul wasn't exactly showing love either when he called the Galatians fools and told them they had fallen from grace.

And the letter Paul wrote to them was not put on a public forum. It was discussed directly with them through his letters to them.

 

[Charlie24]

And the letter Paul wrote to them was not put on a public forum. It was discussed directly with them through his letters to them.

It was not only written for them, it was written for millions to read down through the centuries to warn of what is false doctrine.

In this case it was adding Law to Grace.

 

[Enoch111]

Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother...

This would apply to genuine Christian brethren within a local church (as is clear from the context). Can those who hold to false teachings and false Christ's be regarded as brethren? What does John say about those who do not hold to "the doctrine of Christ"?

2 JOHN 1: DEALING WITH FALSE TEACHERS AND FALSE BRETHREN
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[Enoch111]

It was not only written for them, it was written for millions to read down through the centuries to warn of what is false doctrine.

False doctrine is an EXTREMELY SERIOUS matter. Why? Because the salvation of souls is at stake. And that is why Christ and the apostles warned over and over again that Christians are to beware of (1) false prophets, (2) false teachers, and (3) false brethren.

 

[atpollard]

When you direct your criticism or warning against a denomination, you WILL be perceived as attacking any and all individuals of that denomination. First, that will make YOU appear “hate-filled” (not one of the Fruit of the Spirit) even if that is not your motivation … so you may bring shame upon your cause. Second, you will predispose your listeners to closing their ears to whatever message you are attempting to present.

The people are not your enemy. Powers and principalities are your enemy. You WANT the people to hear.

I suggest that you turn it around and focus on the TRUTH. Start with a clear statement of what God DOES SAY as your starting point and present it. Paul and Jesus often used the technique “You have heard it said …” “But I say …” (point - counterpoint) and you can too. You could quote from some official, specific Dogma that you think FALSE (without the need to state who believes it) and the present the BIBLICAL TRUTH as a counterpoint. Those that believe the lie will identify themselves and come to defend it … then you are free to correct THEIR ATTACK on the truth which you have presented.

The more you can present TRUTH in love, the more you will be heard. “XYZ is the Anti-Christ” will be heard by no one that does not already believe that or who just came looking to fight about it. “God says ‘You shall worship Me alone’” is a topic that people will at least HEAR.

 

[David H.]

This would apply to genuine Christian brethren within a local church (as is clear from the context). Can those who hold to false teachings and false Christ's be regarded as brethren? What does John say about those who do not hold to "the doctrine of Christ"?

This begs the question, where is the line between a brother in Christ, and not one, what is that doctrine of Christ that unites Brethren? I Know where mine is, and i can call a Catholic a brother, and a Calvinist a brother, An Arminian A brother, etc., But we may still disagree on non-esssentials, vehemently at times too.

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

Present your arguments and let them either stand or fall in the battlefield of ideas. For example, I believe the faithful and the saints are two distinct groups of believers in the church, I have presented this before people here, gotten lots of pushback, but no good reasons why this cannot be so, but have been shown that this error of Protestantism (Not distinguishing between them) is the cause of the myriad of denominations therein. Not only that, rightly distinguishing between the faithful and the saints is vital to understanding eschatology rightly, IMO. When You kno who the saints are in the church, Revelation makes a whole lot more sense, as Revelation is the NT book that uses the term saints more than any other NT Book, followed by Ephesians.

 

[Heart2Soul]

It was not only written for them, it was written for millions to read down through the centuries to warn of what is false doctrine.

In this case it was adding Law to Grace.

Yes but this didn't happen til later. Nevertheless, Paul would have said the same thing to other churches.

 

[Heart2Soul]

When you direct your criticism or warning against a denomination, you WILL be perceived as attacking any and all individuals of that denomination. First, that will make YOU appear “hate-filled” (not one of the Fruit of the Spirit) even if that is not your motivation … so you may bring shame upon your cause. Second, you will predispose your listeners to closing their ears to whatever message you are attempting to present.

The people are not your enemy. Powers and principalities are your enemy. You WANT the people to hear.

I suggest that you turn it around and focus on the TRUTH. Start with a clear statement of what God DOES SAY as your starting point and present it. Paul and Jesus often used the technique “You have heard it said …” “But I say …” (point - counterpoint) and you can too. You could quote from some official, specific Dogma that you think FALSE (without the need to state who believes it) and the present the BIBLICAL TRUTH as a counterpoint. Those that believe the lie will identify themselves and come to defend it … then you are free to correct THEIR ATTACK on the truth which you have presented.

The more you can present TRUTH in love, the more you will be heard. “XYZ is the Anti-Christ” will be heard by no one that does not already believe that or who just came looking to fight about it. “God says ‘You shall worship Me alone’” is a topic that people will at least HEAR.

Well said!

 

[Charlie24]

Yes but this didn't happen til later. Nevertheless, Paul would have said the same thing to other churches.

Paul dealt with the problems of each church in his epistles, but preached the same identical message to all.

There was much travel of Paul's assistants to these churches, going to and from. All the churches knew of what was going on with the others. The problem with the Galatians and especially the Corinthians was no secret. Many of them from different churches traveled with Paul on occasion.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Paul dealt with the problems of each church in his epistles, but preached the same identical message to all.

There was much travel of Paul's assistants to these churches, going to and from. All the churches knew of what was going on with the others. The problem with the Galatians and especially the Corinthians was no secret. Many of them from different churches traveled with Paul on occasion.

Yep that's what I said as well with the exception of telling another church the faults of the other.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

All a person can do is tell the people the truth. We have to remember though that Jesus Christ was the greatest teacher that's ever been on the planet and the majority of the Jews didn't believe him. It will be the same today. The majority of the people, including those who believe they're in the true Christian church, will not be believing the truth, therefore not teaching the truth, even though they believe that they are teaching the truth. These people will honestly believe they're Christians, thinking they're doing God a sacred service, but will not be. When you disagree with such people today by showing people a Scripture that clearly shows that what a person believes or what a group of people believes, isn't true, a lot of the times they will view you as attacking their religious beliefs. They will consider you as an disciple of Satan. Many Jews of Jesus day viewed Jesus as a demon because they believed that he expelled demonic spirits out of human beings by the authority of the prince of the demons. Teaching people the truth will cause many of them to believe that you are a liar, if you say something they believe and teach is the truth, and you disagree with. They honestly will believe they have the truth and that you are speaking out against the truth. So they will honestly believe you're attacking the truth, even though you're not. We shouldn't argue with people, God doesn't want us to try to force people to believe the truth. When they disagree with you you must understand they have the right to disagree with you. So simply tell them the truth with scriptures that clearly show that what you are saying or teaching is in scripture. If they choose to disagree, so be it. No one will escape Gods justice. If a person/persons continues to believe and teach something that's not consistent with God's scripture they will not escape him..

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

False doctrine is an EXTREMELY SERIOUS matter. Why? Because the salvation of souls is at stake. And that is why Christ and the apostles warned over and over again that Christians are to beware of (1) false prophets, (2) false teachers, and (3) false brethren.

Can there really be false brethren?

 

[Heart2Soul]

All a person can do is tell the people the truth. We have to remember though that Jesus Christ was the greatest teacher that's ever been on the planet and the majority of the Jews didn't believe him. It will be the same today. The majority of the people, including those who believe they're in the true Christian church, will not be believing the truth, therefore not teaching the truth, even though they believe that they are teaching the truth. These people will honestly believe they're Christians, thinking they're doing God a sacred service, but will not be. When you disagree with such people today by showing people a Scripture that clearly shows that what a person believes or what a group of people believes, isn't true, a lot of the times they will view you as attacking their religious beliefs. They will consider you as an disciple of Satan. Many Jews of Jesus day viewed Jesus as a demon because they believed that he expelled demonic spirits out of human beings by the authority of the prince of the demons. Teaching people the truth will cause many of them to believe that you are a liar, if you say something they believe and teach is the truth, and you disagree with. They honestly will believe they have the truth and that you are speaking out against the truth. So they will honestly believe you're attacking the truth, even though you're not. We shouldn't argue with people, God doesn't want us to try to force people to believe the truth. When they disagree with you you must understand they have the right to disagree with you. So simply tell them the truth with scriptures that clearly show that what you are saying or teaching is in scripture. If they choose to disagree, so be it. No one will escape Gods justice. If a person/persons continues to believe and teach something that's not consistent with God's scripture they will not escape him..

Exactly...the Word of God is Powerful and able to accomplish what God sent it to do. Some water, some plant, but it is God who gives the increase. We are not able to prick a man's heart like he can....nor open the eyes and ears and heart to see, hear and receive the truth like He can. So we need to quit pounding others with what we think they are ready to receive. Only God knows where they are at in their spiritual growth. People who are still on the milk have no other knowledge to go by until God helps them to see and eventually they are ready for the meat.
There are things that God has shown me that I know many here who would not receive it because they haven't been prepared to receive it yet.
Line upon line, precept upon precept...
If you build your house without a firm foundation and with frail material it will not withstand the storm.

 

[Lizbeth]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

Amen. I think "attacking" needs to be defined and qualified. Frank and honest critiquing and disagreeing is not attacking according to the bible....God says "speak truth to your neighbour". And I would consider anyone participating in discussion on a forum to have given their tacit consent to frank and honest discussion of the issues being discussed. I mean, at the end of the day that IS the purpose of forums isn't it?

 

[bbyrd009]

not everyone should take the path of a master
James 3:1-2 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
James 4:11-12 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

well, “the guy trying to keep your kid from getting molested, also,” maybe?
iow it seems like there must be some limit to this, not sure if it is in James or not

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

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If person doesn’t agree,

Love. Love them for how they are, even if their beliefs object to your own

No.

My love for God precludes me pretending to feel that for the false one who insists Jesus was a man condemned to hell unless he repents of his sin nature.

When Jesus was holy spirit made flesh, God is holy, God is spirit and we must worship him in spirit and truth, and a satanic minded foe enters in and insists that is not true, ignoring, even condemning God's words of correction, I don't love them.

When they insist Jesus was just a man with a sin nature they don't love Jesus.

Is it love from God when he casts that satanic one into hell at their judgement?

Why should we love anyone whom God does not love?

The unforgivable sin God will never forgive is blasphemy of his holy spirit.

If we love God do we love those who repeatedly and with malicious intent, refusing correction, blaspheme God's holy spirit?

 

[amigo de christo]

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If person doesn’t agree,

Love. Love them for how they are, even if their beliefs object to your own

Correct them if you love them and dont let them drown in destruction of their error .

 

[amigo de christo]

Specifically discuss a biblical truth that is being twisted by false teachers/doctrines.
Example...Jesus taught us to pray to the Father but there are churches who believe it is OK to pray and ask other saints of the Bible to hear their prayer..... Now there is no specified denomination in my statement. And includes all churches that teach this.

Name names . pual did . The RCC does this . We have to protect folks from even trying to enter into those chambers

 

[Heart2Soul]

Name names . pual did . The RCC does this . We have to protect folks from even trying to enter into those chambers

No Paul didn't....he usually said don't be like the Pharisees or Saduccees....no names...s culture of people.
Well he did mention Barnabus and John Mark...there was disagreement there.

 

[BarneyFife]

Here's how you could go about this:

1. Provide a direct quote with a verifiable source (website). People can go to the source and see the error.

2. Show from direct Scripture quotes + exposition how false that teaching is.

3. Add this to the bottom of your post: BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS AND FALSE PROPHETS (quoting the Scripture verses for these warnings).

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This just might take the "Post Of The Year" award.
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