Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay

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Yehren

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To call such a policy “socialist” might seem like hyperbolic, partisan scaremongering. How can “investments” in private enterprises, including small businesses, be socialism?

Trump didn't. He called them "investments." When he applauded the republican party "investing" huge financial incentives to China, who promised to build a huge factory complex in Wisconsin, he never referred to it as "socialism."

Inside Wisconsin’s Disastrous $4.5 Billion Deal With Foxconn

A huge tax break was supposed to create a manufacturing paradise, but interviews with 49 people familiar with the project depict a chaotic operation unlikely to ever employ 13,000 workers.

“This is the Eighth Wonder of the World.”

So declared President Donald Trump onstage last June at a press event at Foxconn’s new factory in Mount Pleasant, Wis. He was there to herald the potential of the Taiwanese manufacturing giant’s expansion into cheesehead country. He’d joined Foxconn Chairman Terry Gou and then-Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker to celebrate a partnership he’d helped broker—“one of the great deals ever,” Trump said. In exchange for more than $4.5 billion in government incentives, Foxconn had agreed to build a high-tech manufacturing hub on 3,000 acres of farmland south of Milwaukee and create as many as 13,000 good-paying jobs for “amazing Wisconsin workers” as early as 2022.

In front of national media and an audience of several hundred, Trump talked up the larger meaning. For too long, he said, bad trade deals sent factory jobs to places like China, and that era was over. Yes, this Foxconn deal represented the largest public subsidy package to a foreign company in U.S. history, but it also marked a turning point for “restoring America’s industrial might.” Blue-collar jobs were coming home, starting with the Mount Pleasant facility and its LCD TV production.

For some Foxconn workers watching who’d labored at the LCD TV factory for months, the president’s rhetoric didn’t match reality. The LCD components weren’t made in the USA, according to sources familiar with the operation. They were shipped from a Foxconn factory in Tijuana. The Wisconsin plant was only handling the last steps of assembly, and some TV displays were still labeled “Made in Mexico.” Pay at the factory started at about $14 an hour with no benefits, much less than the $23 average Foxconn promised.
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Shortly after Trump’s visit, things got worse. A Foxconn manager at the factory, which then had only about 60 people working there, abruptly called about 15 of them—all interns —into a room to say they should seek other jobs because there wasn’t enough work to hire them full time, according to multiple people present.

The only consistency, many of these people say, lay in how obvious it was that Wisconsin struck a weak deal. Under the terms Walker negotiated, each job at the Mount Pleasant factory is projected to cost the state at least $219,000 in tax breaks and other incentives. The good or extra-bad news, depending on your perspective, is that there probably won’t be 13,000 of them.

Inside Wisconsin’s Disastrous $4.5 Billion Deal With Foxconn

In short, China did to Trump and to the state of Wisconsin, precisely what Trump has done to investors dumb enough to trust him. So you're now claiming that Trump is a Marxist.
 
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Then why are you so adamant about Marxism being "good?"

Do you not see that Marxism is merely socialism and fascism joined? Think.
Think what? Strange view!
Neither Marxism nor Fascism pertains to this country.
Lets hear it.
 

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Again you think you are fooling somebody, but you are not.

You're blaming me for fooling you, but you're fooling yourself.

Answer the questions.

You missed it? Here, I'll show you again...

What is your position on abortion?

See above. (things pro-life activists do) You talk about it. We do something about it.

Your position on drug use?

I think you'd do better to just leave that stuff alone. The "War on Drugs" has been a disaster, and has done tremendous damage to the United States, enriched drug cartels, and has loaded our prisons at great cost to society.

Your position on the leftist form of communism?

Marxism died some time ago, of historical necessity. Even some Marxist states like China, aren't Marxist anymore. Marxism fails because human nature isn't as flexible as Marx supposed it is.

Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?

The FBI is rooting them out rather nicely...
Men Tied To Right-Wing Extremism Arrested Heading To BLM Protest With Molotov Cocktails
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In late May and early June 2020, two ambush-style attacks occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California. The attacks left two dead and injured three others.
2020 boogaloo killings - Wikipedia

your position on law enforcement?

There isn't anything much better than a good cop, and there isn't anything worse than a criminal one.

Your position on school prayer?

I support the Constitution. My daughter was an officer in The Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and often prayed (legally) in high school. So long as they didn't interrupt learning in classrooms, and as long as they initiated it, rather than the school, it was all perfectly legal. The government needs to stay completely out of it. The "wall of separation" mentioned by the men who wrote the Bill of Rights is there for a very good reason. God neither needs nor wants a government handout.

Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?

I've always felt that fantasies are one's own business. If that's yours, enjoy.

Maybe you should write it down this time, so you don't forget.
 

Grailhunter

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Trump didn't. He called them "investments." When he applauded the republican party "investing" huge financial incentives to China, who promised to build a huge factory complex in Wisconsin, he never referred to it as "socialism."

Inside Wisconsin’s Disastrous $4.5 Billion Deal With Foxconn

A huge tax break was supposed to create a manufacturing paradise, but interviews with 49 people familiar with the project depict a chaotic operation unlikely to ever employ 13,000 workers.

“This is the Eighth Wonder of the World.”

So declared President Donald Trump onstage last June at a press event at Foxconn’s new factory in Mount Pleasant, Wis. He was there to herald the potential of the Taiwanese manufacturing giant’s expansion into cheesehead country. He’d joined Foxconn Chairman Terry Gou and then-Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker to celebrate a partnership he’d helped broker—“one of the great deals ever,” Trump said. In exchange for more than $4.5 billion in government incentives, Foxconn had agreed to build a high-tech manufacturing hub on 3,000 acres of farmland south of Milwaukee and create as many as 13,000 good-paying jobs for “amazing Wisconsin workers” as early as 2022.

In front of national media and an audience of several hundred, Trump talked up the larger meaning. For too long, he said, bad trade deals sent factory jobs to places like China, and that era was over. Yes, this Foxconn deal represented the largest public subsidy package to a foreign company in U.S. history, but it also marked a turning point for “restoring America’s industrial might.” Blue-collar jobs were coming home, starting with the Mount Pleasant facility and its LCD TV production.

For some Foxconn workers watching who’d labored at the LCD TV factory for months, the president’s rhetoric didn’t match reality. The LCD components weren’t made in the USA, according to sources familiar with the operation. They were shipped from a Foxconn factory in Tijuana. The Wisconsin plant was only handling the last steps of assembly, and some TV displays were still labeled “Made in Mexico.” Pay at the factory started at about $14 an hour with no benefits, much less than the $23 average Foxconn promised.
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Shortly after Trump’s visit, things got worse. A Foxconn manager at the factory, which then had only about 60 people working there, abruptly called about 15 of them—all interns —into a room to say they should seek other jobs because there wasn’t enough work to hire them full time, according to multiple people present.

The only consistency, many of these people say, lay in how obvious it was that Wisconsin struck a weak deal. Under the terms Walker negotiated, each job at the Mount Pleasant factory is projected to cost the state at least $219,000 in tax breaks and other incentives. The good or extra-bad news, depending on your perspective, is that there probably won’t be 13,000 of them.

Inside Wisconsin’s Disastrous $4.5 Billion Deal With Foxconn

In short, China did to Trump and to the state of Wisconsin, precisely what Trump has done to investors dumb enough to trust him. So you're now claiming that Trump is a Marxist.

So you're now claiming that Trump is a Marxist.

No she is not. All this is rhetoric. Smoke Screen is not going to help ya out of this one! Told you before the jig is up
Answer the Questions.
If you are communist, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you support abortion, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are a coward, I can see why you would not like Trump.
 

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Then why are you so adamant about Marxism being "good?"

Think what? Strange view!

You seem to have a sort of love/hate relationship with Marxism.

Neither Marxism nor Fascism pertains to this country.

In fact, both exist in America now. Would you like me to show you?
 

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You're blaming me for fooling you, but you're fooling yourself.



You missed it? Here, I'll show you again...



See above. (things pro-life activists do) You talk about it. We do something about it.



I think you'd do better to just leave that stuff alone. The "War on Drugs" has been a disaster, and has done tremendous damage to the United States, enriched drug cartels, and has loaded our prisons at great cost to society.



Marxism died some time ago, of historical necessity. Even some Marxist states like China, aren't Marxist anymore. Marxism fails because human nature isn't as flexible as Marx supposed it is.



The FBI is rooting them out rather nicely...
Men Tied To Right-Wing Extremism Arrested Heading To BLM Protest With Molotov Cocktails
Men Tied To Right-Wing Extremism Arrested Heading To BLM Protest With Molotov Cocktails

In late May and early June 2020, two ambush-style attacks occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California. The attacks left two dead and injured three others.
2020 boogaloo killings - Wikipedia



There isn't anything much better than a good cop, and there isn't anything worse than a criminal one.



I support the Constitution. My daughter was an officer in The Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and often prayed (legally) in high school. So long as they didn't interrupt learning in classrooms, and as long as they initiated it, rather than the school, it was all perfectly legal. The government needs to stay completely out of it. The "wall of separation" mentioned by the men who wrote the Bill of Rights is there for a very good reason. God neither needs nor wants a government handout.



I've always felt that fantasies are one's own business. If that's yours, enjoy.

Maybe you should write it down this time, so you don't forget.

No again...dodging the issues. Will not work. Answer the questions.
If you are communist, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you support abortion, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are a coward, I can see why you would not like Trump.
 

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Then why are you so adamant about Marxism being "good?"



You seem to have a sort of love/hate relationship with Marxism.



In fact, both exist in America now. Would you like me to show you?
you lie again! Answer the questions
If you are communist, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you support abortion, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are a coward, I can see why you would not like Trump.
 

Yehren

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So you're now claiming that Trump is a Marxist.

Only by your definition. He's merely a sucker for predatory Chinese capitalists (Foxcon) who did to him what he so often has done to gullible investors.

If you are communist, I can see why you would like Trump. He has done a great service for the CCP in paying Foxcon billions of tax dollars.

If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would like Trump. He has repeatedly betrayed our friends and aided our enemies.

If you support abortion, I can see why you would like Trump. He has always supported abortion, and only "changed" to get foolish people to vote for him.

If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would like Trump. He has endorsed taking dangerous drugs and suggested injecting disinfectant.

If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would like Trump. Trump has used the Ten Commandments like bathroom tissue.

If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump. He has brought more criminals into government than any president since Nixon.

If you are a coward, I can see why you would like Trump. He betrayed our Kurdish allies, dodged the draft, and obeyed Putin, who wanted U.S. forces out of Germany.
 
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Only by your definition. He's merely a sucker for predatory Chinese capitalists (Foxcon) who did to him what he so often has done to gullible investors.

If you are communist, I can see why you would like Trump. He has done a great service for the CCP in paying Foxcon billions of tax dollars.

If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would like Trump. He has repeatedly betrayed our friends and aided our enemies.

If you support abortion, I can see why you would like Trump. He has always supported abortion, and only "changed" to get foolish people to vote for him.

If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would like Trump. He has endorsed taking dangerous drugs and suggested injecting disinfectant.

If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would like Trump. Trump has used the Ten Commandments like bathroom tissue.

If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump. He has brought more criminals into government than any president since Nixon.

If you are a coward, I can see why you would like Trump. He betrayed our Kurdish allies, dodged the draft, and obeyed Putin, who wanted U.S. forces out of Germany.

You don't catch on real quick, do ya?
If you are communist, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you support abortion, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are a coward, I can see why you would not like Trump.
 

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Denial won't do you any good. Here's the link to the second time I reminded you:
Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay
Tell us Yehren, what is your position on these questions..
If you are communist, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you support abortion, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are a coward, I can see why you would not like Trump.
 

Yehren

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Tell us Yehren, what is your position on these questions..
Those aren't questions. They are merely unsupported assertions. Perhaps English isn't your first language?

These are assertions supported by facts:
If you are communist, I can see why you would like Trump. He has done a great service for the CCP in paying Foxcon billions of tax dollars.

If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would like Trump. He has repeatedly betrayed our friends and aided our enemies.

If you support abortion, I can see why you would like Trump. He has always supported abortion, and only "changed" to get foolish people to vote for him.

If you support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would like Trump. He has endorsed taking dangerous drugs and suggested injecting disinfectant.

If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would like Trump. Trump has used the Ten Commandments like bathroom tissue.

If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would like Trump. He has brought more criminals into government than any president since Nixon.

If you are a coward, I can see why you would like Trump. He betrayed our Kurdish allies, dodged the draft, and obeyed Putin, who wanted U.S. forces out of Germany.
 
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Those aren't questions. They are merely unsupported assertions. Perhaps English isn't your first language?

These are assertions supported by facts:
If you are communist, I can see why you would like Trump. He has done a great service for the CCP in paying Foxcon billions of tax dollars.

If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would like Trump. He has repeatedly betrayed our friends and aided our enemies.

If you support abortion, I can see why you would like Trump. He has always supported abortion, and only "changed" to get foolish people to vote for him.

If you support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would like Trump. He has endorsed taking dangerous drugs and suggested injecting disinfectant.

If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would like Trump. Trump has used the Ten Commandments like bathroom tissue.

If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would like Trump. He has brought more criminals into government than any president since Nixon.

If you are a coward, I can see why you would like Trump. He betrayed our Kurdish allies, dodged the draft, and obeyed Putin, who wanted U.S. forces out of Germany.

Wiggle and fight that line....the hook is set...At this point I am just enjoying myself. Answer the questions...
If you are communist, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you support abortion, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are a coward, I can see why you would not like Trump.
 

Yehren

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She is not his medical advisor so stop your lying.

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams.

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

Immanuel gave her viral speech on the steps of the Supreme Court at the “White Coat Summit,” a gathering of a handful of doctors who call themselves America’s Frontline Doctors and dispute the medical consensus on the novel coronavirus. The event was organized by the right-wing group Tea Party Patriots, which is backed by wealthy Republican donors.

In her speech, Immanuel alleges that she has successfully treated hundreds of patients with hydroxychloroquine, a controversial treatment Trump has promoted and says he has taken himself. Studies have failed to find proof that the drug has any benefit in treating COVID-19, and the Food and Drug Administration in June revoked its emergency authorization to use it to treat the deadly virus, saying it hadn’t demonstrated any effect on patients’ mortality prospects.
Trump’s New COVID Doctor Says Sex With Demons Makes You Sick


There's really no point in you denying it. As you see, both Trump and his son have endorsed her.

 
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A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams.

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

Immanuel gave her viral speech on the steps of the Supreme Court at the “White Coat Summit,” a gathering of a handful of doctors who call themselves America’s Frontline Doctors and dispute the medical consensus on the novel coronavirus. The event was organized by the right-wing group Tea Party Patriots, which is backed by wealthy Republican donors.

In her speech, Immanuel alleges that she has successfully treated hundreds of patients with hydroxychloroquine, a controversial treatment Trump has promoted and says he has taken himself. Studies have failed to find proof that the drug has any benefit in treating COVID-19, and the Food and Drug Administration in June revoked its emergency authorization to use it to treat the deadly virus, saying it hadn’t demonstrated any effect on patients’ mortality prospects.
Trump’s New COVID Doctor Says Sex With Demons Makes You Sick


There's really no point in you denying it. As you see, both Trump and his son have endorsed her.
Wasting time! lol hydroxychloroquine has been proven worldwide.
Answer the questions...
If you are communist, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are not an American Patriot, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you support abortion, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If support the use of Drugs, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you do not support Christian morals, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you place the rights of criminals over and above, the average American, I can see why you would not like Trump.
If you are a coward, I can see why you would not like Trump.
 
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More precisely, the Chinese economy is based on capitalism.

C'mon, Yehren, do you really believe your own rhetoric??? Do you think that the Chinese are free to start and control their own companies and actually OWN their companies, or OWN anything, for that matter??? In a Communist government, it's the government, i.e. the dictator and his cronies, that control everything (or at least they try to). Oh, I know, it's supposed to be the people who own everything in common, but it never works out that way.

You should read the article I posted in this thread about how Biden's ideas for our economy would thrust America into a new level of socialism, which is Communism lite. Considering the popularity of violent Marxist groups like BLM, I'd say we have a real problem on our hands. Evidently, the younger generation has been so steeped in the virtues of Communism by the public schools, they think Marxist ways are just fine.

China's Communist party violently cracks down on a new group — student communists

At your age, you should understand that the Communists have perfected the art of propaganda, lol!

I do not understand why you or anyone could consider Marxism to be good. As I showed you, it's inherently flawed, because it assumes that human nature is malleable to the point that it can be changed entirely.

Now, you're just talking plain silliness. I haven't said anything that could remotely be construed as my favoring Marxism. You, on the other had, have said some things that make me think that you're okay with Marxism.

I have a challenge for you. Read the book The Heavenly Man by Brother Yun. You'll get a feel for what real Christians have experienced under the brutal Red Chinese regime.
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That is all ya got man!?
Obeying laws and respecting the Constitution are starters if people want to be able to resolve differences peacefully. I cannot possibly speak for the American people. They elect people who are supposed to represent their interests.

When someone suggests violating the Constitution, that is undermining the rule of law -- other things take a back seat.
 
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Wasting time! lol hydroxychloroquine has been proven worldwide.

Actually...
New England Journal of medicine articles:

A Randomized T
Wasting time!

rial of Hydroxychloroquine as Postexposure Prophylaxis for Covid-1
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Conclusions

June 3, 2020

After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure prophylaxis within 4 days after exposure.


Observational Study of Hydroxychloroquine in Hospitalized Patients with Covid-19
June 18, 2020
Conclusions
In this observational study involving patients with Covid-19 who had been admitted to the hospital, hydroxychloroquine administration was not associated with either a greatly lowered or an increased risk of the composite end point of intubation or death.

Hydroxychloroquine with or without Azithromycin in Mild-to-Moderate Covid-19
July 23, 2020
Conclusions
Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care.

M ́edecine et Maladies Infectieuses:
No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection.
28 March 2020
In summary, despite a reported antiviral activity of chloroquine against COVID-19 in vitro, we found no evidence of a strong antiviral activity or clinical benefit of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of our hospitalized patients with severe COVID-19. Ongoing randomized clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine should provide a definitive answer regarding the alleged efficacy of this combination and will assess its safety

 
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