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Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay
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Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay
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Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay
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Grailhunter
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Grailhunter
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I think everyone gets it. You're unhappy about the way it turned out for you, and you're trying to save face. We all understand that. But you're going to have to live with it as it is.
See above, if you forgot again. I left a link for you.
bukka
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I do NOT reject any legitimate prophecies, and I haven't heard any prophets saying that Trump should "impose religious obedience upon us." This is another exaggeration of yours.
If you look at the anointings of Saul and David in the Old Testament, Prayer Warrior, and how these Kings were viewed, you see that they demanded a stern obedience that had a religious sanction. Because of this, if it is maintained that Trump has legitimately been anointed by God, it is logical to assume that he can demand and require the same religious obedience. Is not the true anointed One, Jesus Christ, imposing a stern religious obedience upon us that we must accept? Shall we work out our salvation in fear and trembling?
One of the subtle reasons why many like an anti-christ, is not only that they like to be in disobedience to the true Christ, but the spirit of disobedience allows them to work in disobedience to the anti-christ himself. In the end, it is not the acceptance or worship of an anti-christ, such as Trump who's only a bit player in a larger struggle, but it is in the spirit of disobedience. This is where the war is.
Prayer Warrior
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This is a reach. Which Christian leaders say that they see Trump as the "king" of America?? NONE!
I actually agree with you about the anti-christ spirit. It is operating in the world today more strongly than ever, and I don't believe that Trump or any other politician is immune to its control. So....I pray!
However, I don't see you pointing out that groups like BLM, founded by admitted Marxists, are controlled by that anti-christ spirit. You can't have it both ways--pointing our conservatives that you believe are in league with the anti-christ spirit, but leaving out liberal groups. If you have criticized BLM's Marxist roots, I missed it.
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bukka
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Thank you for your concern, Prayer Warrior. If you could pray for me to have the strength that I need for the time that I may have left here. I want to follow the remainder of that difficult road to the goal Christ has set for me. (I'm a person thinking that I may have not many years left. I'm a cancer survivor.)
I'm thankful that you're seeing those shortcomings.
America is already socialistic. It has in place Social Security and Medicare, absolutely essential benefits that many citizens need. The political disputes among many in the United States is not choosing socialism, but how far it should extend into the country.
Also, socialism doesn't have to be godless. In Europe, there have been Christian Socialist parties for decades.
bukka
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This is not a reach, Prayer Warrior, concerning a man floating the idea of postponing elections. If a President at will can postpone an election, that President can remain in office for life and not have to worry about being confronted by the voters.
That is good. In this time of danger we all must be wary about what's happening around us.
Technically, BLM is an umbrella organization composed of many members having a diverse array of political and religious views. With such a movement, you have to consider its platform, given that that is the focal point of group struggle and activity. If you look at the history of BLM, you see that it's composed mainly of people seeking, under their constitutional civil rights, redress of grievances concerning police murder and voter suppression. We must be wary of all attacks upon civil rights in the name of order and security.
The attempts to label BLM as anything different is a great falsity, but that will have to be discussed on another thread given that this thread involves the President dealing with the firestorm because of his floating the idea of postponing elections.
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Grailhunter
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So tell us Yehren....
What is your position on abortion?
Your position on drug use?
Your position on the leftist form of communism?
Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?
your position on law enforcement?
Your position on school prayer?
Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?
In the state where I grew up, a group of Christians who immigrated from Germany, kept a communist society going on for over a hundred years. It was so communistic, the homes had no kitchens; everyone ate in common dining halls. There's rich irony in the fact that communism only works in context of religious faith, and then only as long as the society is deeply religious. By the 1930s, the communes formed a corporation and issued stock to each member.
Grailhunter
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So has it dawned on you that you have been exposed?
Now don’t get me wrong, we all have rights…..
If you believe in communism, that is your right.
If you do not love this country, that is your right.
If you support abortion, that is your right.
If you do drugs and believe people should have the right to do drugs, that is your right.
If you do not agree with Christian morals, that is your right.
If you have problems with authority or law enforcement, that is your right.
If you think that criminals should be coddled and prisons should be like luxury resorts, or not at all, that is your right.
But all things being normal, this kind of person would have no interest in a site like this, unless they were wanting to be predatory. So what do you have in common with the people here?
Sociopaths come in many forms.
For some it is a form of entertainment. They like to mess with peoples heads. Argue with their beliefs, try to get them to question their beliefs. Try to shake their beliefs maybe see if they can destroy their beliefs. Mischief!
Some are physical, and the limits of their evil is only limited to their imagination. Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and the like. These type of people have no sense of right and wrong.
That does not mean that you are any of these people do not believe in Christ, but they try to justify themselves by fitting their beliefs and what they do into the Bible.
Considering what you believe in, there is no telling what you have done.
And that is the problem, this forum is for Christians and some of these Christians are innocents. So although it is certainly your right to agree with these things, believe these things, and even promote these things, it is only fair that the people here on this forum know what they are dealing with.
Sure. If you believe in communism, that is your right. You said things that led me to believe you support Marxism. Which is your perfect right. You've since walked some of that back and that's O.K. too.
If you do not love this country, that is your right. In fact, I suppose it's possible for you to be a Marxist and love your country, although I would think you'd prefer to move somewhere else, if that's the case. If you support abortion, that is your right.
I didn't mean to suggest that you do drugs and believe people should have the right to do drugs. I'm just pointing out that libertarians are correct in pointing out that the "War on Drugs" has been a disaster for the United States, for reasons I've already mentioned. That doesn't mean you're not foolish if you use drugs.
I think the other things you've suggested, like problems with law enforcement and so on, are mostly things that went wrong for you in the past. You seem to have a rather odd idea of personal ethics.
Maybe so. It's your life.
You don't seem very happy. You seem genuinely disturbed. And you support some really unsavory people.
That does not mean that you are any of these people do not believe in Christ, but they try to justify themselves by fitting their beliefs and what they do into the Bible.
Considering what you believe in, there is no telling what you have done, but that's your issue, not mine.
You may not have noticed, but most of them seem perfectly capable of knowing where you are. Christians are a lot more perceptive than you seem to think we are.
Matthew 10:16 Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves.
Grailhunter
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I am very happy.
But it is important for everyone here to know what you believe in and what you are promoting.
You slither around trying to talk around what you believe in.
You think you are fooling people but you are not!
You slither around trying to talk around what you believe in. First it's Marxism, then it's not. And it's like that with so many other things.
You think you are fooling people but you are not. As I told you, Christians are a lot smarter than you seem to think we are.
Grailhunter
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You forget we have had a full set of conversions.
People know you.
I am just trying to warn them.
They know I am neither Marexist, Fascist, or communist. I am a Patriot and love this country.
You on the other had, they know you, and they are warned.
If you keep trying to convince us, that's kind of a tip-off in itself. You're more transparent than you think you are.
Grailhunter
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You are just digging yourself a deeper hole.
The thing is I can answer these questions, but you cannot.
So go ahead and show them your true colors.
What is your position on abortion?
Your position on drug use?
Your position on the leftist form of communism?
Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?
your position on law enforcement?
Your position on school prayer?
Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?
Prayer Warrior
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I pray that you will know the healing power of Jesus Christ! He still heals today!
Lol, I have never said otherwise. He was my last pick in the Republican line-up for 2016, but I see that God has used him, and I will continue to pray for him and for our nation!
I know that America has an increasing number of socialistic elements, and I will NEVER see this as a good thing. From FDR to LBJ and beyond, our constitutional republic has been slowly, but surely, spiraling downward into socialism as this world becomes darker and darker....
The reason that I call socialism godless is because of its atheistic roots. People are encouraged to be dependent on government (meaning men), instead of on God. This has never worked well, and it never will work well. Of course, we know that the anti-christ will cause people to be totally dependent on him (his global government) in order to buy food, etc. This system of dependence has been in the works for many years, and Americans who support any kind of socialism or the next step to totalitarianism, Communism, are sadly deceived.
Unfortunately, I believe that Christians in America are partly to blame for this uptick in socialism. We have handed the calling and command to help those in need over to the government. After my husband died, a leader of the church I was attending pointed me to the government for housing--one of the basic necessities. God had something much better in mind for me and my daughters and provided a good, safe place for us to live.... This is a long story, and I'm giving it to you in a nutshell, but I can testify of God's faithfulness, and that's what matters most to me! Mere men are not deserving of our total trust. Only God is!!!
You didn't answer my question. Which prophet-type Christians said they see Trump as the king? America has no king, and I have never heard any Christian leaders say that they think otherwise or that they think Trump should have unlimited power. Not one!
Only Congress has the power to set a federal election date, so Trump's tweet was ill-advised, but it's a moot point.
Article II of the Constitution gives Congress the power to set the date of the presidential election.
Since 1845, that day has been every four years on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, which in 2020 is Nov. 3.
Even if Trump declared a state of emergency due to the coronavirus, he would not be permitted to change the day, legal experts said.
“President Trump has absolutely no legal authority to delay the election,” said Joshua Douglas, a professor at the University of Kentucky and an election law expert.
Source: What would it take to postpone the U.S. presidential election?
Source: What would it take to postpone the U.S. presidential election?
I'm afraid that you are the one mistaken about BLM. How can you believe that BLM has NO Marxist leanings when one of the founders and an organizer are "trained Marxists," according to the founder??? This is illogical beyond words! Marxists are STEEPED in that belief system. Of course their belief system affects the organization! (Please see the article I posted below and the video posted on the top of page 8.)
Do you really think they're going to put "We are Communists and want to make America Communist" in their platform? Just because they don't state that they have Marxist underpinnings doesn't change the fact that Marxists founded the organization. Are you not aware that Marxists have been known to lie and spread propaganda, lol? They are masters of it! Do you take everything at face value?
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Prayer Warrior
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Black Lives Matter co-founder describes herself as ‘trained Marxist’
By Yaron Steinbuch
Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report.
Cullors, 36, was the protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview, Breitbart News reported.
“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.
“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,” Cullors added in the interview with Jared Ball of The Real News Network.
While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.
She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.
The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.
It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.
n 1968, Mann was a coordinator for Students for a Democratic Society, from which a more radical wing –- the Weather Underground — was splintered the following year.
It was led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who called for “direct action” over civil disobedience, seeking the overthrow of the US government. In 1969, the FBI classified the group as a domestic terror organization.
Mann was eventually charged with assault and battery, disturbing the peace, damaging property, defacing a building and disturbing a public assembly, for which he spent 18 months behind bars.
Source: https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
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By Yaron Steinbuch
Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report.
Cullors, 36, was the protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview, Breitbart News reported.
“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.
“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,” Cullors added in the interview with Jared Ball of The Real News Network.
While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.
She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.
The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.
It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.
n 1968, Mann was a coordinator for Students for a Democratic Society, from which a more radical wing –- the Weather Underground — was splintered the following year.
It was led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who called for “direct action” over civil disobedience, seeking the overthrow of the US government. In 1969, the FBI classified the group as a domestic terror organization.
Mann was eventually charged with assault and battery, disturbing the peace, damaging property, defacing a building and disturbing a public assembly, for which he spent 18 months behind bars.
Source: https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
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