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Yehren

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So tell us Yehren....
What is your position on abortion?

See above. You talk about it. We do something about it.

Your position on drug use?

I think you'd do better to just leave that stuff alone. The "War on Drugs" has been a disaster, and has done tremendous damage to the United States, enriched drug cartels, and has loaded our prisons at great cost to society.

Your position on the leftist form of communism?

Marxism died some time ago, of historical necessity. Even some Marxist states like China, aren't Marxist anymore. Marxism fails because human nature isn't as flexible as Marx supposed it is.

Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?

The FBI is rooting them out rather nicely...
Men Tied To Right-Wing Extremism Arrested Heading To BLM Protest With Molotov Cocktails
Men Tied To Right-Wing Extremism Arrested Heading To BLM Protest With Molotov Cocktails

In late May and early June 2020, two ambush-style attacks occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California. The attacks left two dead and injured three others.
2020 boogaloo killings - Wikipedia

your position on law enforcement?

There isn't anything much better than a good cop, and there isn't anything worse than a criminal one.

Your position on school prayer?

I support the Constitution. My daughter was an officer in The Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and often prayed (legally) in high school. So long as they didn't interrupt learning in classrooms, and as long as they initiated it, rather than the school, it was all perfectly legal. The government needs to stay completely out of it. The "wall of separation" mentioned by the men who wrote the Bill of Rights is there for a very good reason. God neither needs nor wants a government handout.

Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?

I've always felt that fantasies are one's own business. If that's yours, enjoy.
 
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Marxism died some time ago, of historical necessity. Even some Marxist states like China, aren't Marxist anymore. Marxism fails because human nature isn't as flexible as Marx supposed it is.

What????????????????????? Marxism died?

Marxism fails because it's God-less, atheistic!
 
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See above. You talk about it. We do something about it.



I think you'd do better to just leave that stuff alone. The "War on Drugs" has been a disaster, and has done tremendous damage to the United States, enriched drug cartels, and has loaded our prisons at great cost to society.



Marxism died some time ago, of historical necessity. Even some Marxist states like China, aren't Marxist anymore. Marxism fails because human nature isn't as flexible as Marx supposed it is.



The FBI is rooting them out rather nicely...
Men Tied To Right-Wing Extremism Arrested Heading To BLM Protest With Molotov Cocktails
Men Tied To Right-Wing Extremism Arrested Heading To BLM Protest With Molotov Cocktails

In late May and early June 2020, two ambush-style attacks occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California. The attacks left two dead and injured three others.
2020 boogaloo killings - Wikipedia



There isn't anything much better than a good cop, and there isn't anything worse than a criminal one.



I support the Constitution. My daughter was an officer in The Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and often prayed (legally) in high school. So long as they didn't interrupt learning in classrooms, and as long as they initiated it, rather than the school, it was all perfectly legal. The government needs to stay completely out of it. The "wall of separation" mentioned by the men who wrote the Bill of Rights is there for a very good reason. God neither needs nor wants a government handout.



I've always felt that fantasies are one's own business. If that's yours, enjoy.

Again you think you are fooling somebody, but you are not.
Answer the questions.
 
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Still does not answer the questions!

I get it. You talk about pro-life, but when it comes to actually getting off your duff and doing something, it's just too much trouble. I see a lot of that. You can sit on the couch; there are others who are doing something. Would you like to see a list of pro-life organization near you?

If you honestly do, let me know.
 
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The jig is up, you are just not smart enough to know it!
You are not fooling anybody.
So tell us Yehren....
What is your position on abortion?
Your position on drug use?
Your position on the leftist form of communism?
Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?
your position on law enforcement?
Your position on school prayer?
Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?
 

Yehren

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Marxism died some time ago, of historical necessity. Even some Marxist states like China, aren't Marxist anymore. Marxism fails because human nature isn't as flexible as Marx supposed it is.

What?????????????????????

China is essentially a capitalist system now. Stock exchange, big corporations, anti-union, wealth-seeking. Mao is spinning in his grave.

You see, Marx supposed that once capitalism was dead, there would arise the "new socialist man" who was altruistic, dedicated to his fellow men,and willing to set his own freedom aside for the good of all.

Didn't work. Human nature just doesn't work like that.

Irony is, the only time communism has ever worked, even temporarily, was in the context of religious communes, most Christian. Would you like to learn about some of them?
 
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The jig is up, you are just not smart enough to know it!

Well, you know how dumb old barbarians are. But since I showed you why your assumptions are wrong, do you honestly think people won't notice that you already got answers?
 
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Marxism died some time ago, of historical necessity. Even some Marxist states like China, aren't Marxist anymore. Marxism fails because human nature isn't as flexible as Marx supposed it is.



China is essentially a capitalist system now. Stock exchange, big corporations, anti-union, wealth-seeking. Mao is spinning in his grave.

You see, Marx supposed that once capitalism was dead, there would arise the "new socialist man" who was altruistic, dedicated to his fellow men,and willing to set his own freedom aside for the good of all.

Didn't work. Human nature just doesn't work like that.

Iron is, the only time communism has ever worked, even temporarily, was in the context of religious communes, most Christian. Would you like to learn about some of them?

The Chinese government is NOT based on capitalism. Like Communists before them (such as Lenin, who played the stock market) their leaders are taking advantage of our capitalist system while maintaining a brutal Marxist dictatorship! If you don't believe this, ask the Christians who are being tortured in Chinese prisons!

You're right about human nature. It's rotten to the core, but you're wrong about Communism being good. It is based on atheism/materialism. Apart from God, man is only evil.

I've wondered why you don't have a problem with BLM being Marxist. Now,
I know.

 
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Well, you know how dumb old barbarians are. But since I showed you why your assumptions are wrong, do you honestly think people won't notice that you already got answers?

lol Oh my! Sometimes the bass just swallows the bait!
I have posed these questions several times, what they know is that you have not answered them. All you have done is side stepped the questions.
 

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As I said above, Communism/Marxism is based on atheism/materialism.

From SocialistWorker.org:

MATERIALISM FOR many people means two things: firstly, an obsession with material things (possessions, conspicuous wealth and consumption), and secondly, a rejection of theism (a belief in God and spirit) and acceptance of the view that the natural world of which we are part is all there is.

Marx's conception of the materialist theory of history has connections to both of these vernacular uses of the term. Marx believed that human beings were part of nature, not beings placed on Earth by God, although a belief in gods or God was itself a product of mankind's specific relationship to--and, indeed, alienation from--the nature of which they were part.
 
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Joe Biden’s Economic Plan and Type 2 Socialism
Presidential hopeful Joe Biden this week announced he plans to raise $4 trillion by raising taxes “on corporations and the wealthy” to mobilize the US economy.
Friday, July 10, 2020
Dan Sanchez


Joe Biden revealed on Thursday the first part of “Build Back Better,” his plan for economic recovery from the COVID crisis.

As Morning Brew reports, Biden plans to spend:

  • $300 billion on “R&D for advanced tech industries such as batteries, electric vehicles, AI, and 5G,” and
  • $400 billion “on U.S. goods and services. Biden wants to reduce dependence on foreign economies, particularly in America’s medical supply chain. Those "procurement investments" would also focus on supporting small businesses, particularly minority- and women-owned ones.”
To pay for this, Biden plans to raise $4 trillion by raising taxes “on corporations and the wealthy.”

"This will be a mobilization of R&D and procurement investments in ways not seen since World War II," Biden said.

To call such a policy “socialist” might seem like hyperbolic, partisan scaremongering. How can “investments” in private enterprises, including small businesses, be socialism?

After all, when we think of a country transitioning to socialism, we picture revolutionaries seizing factories (like in 1917 Russia) or revolutionary governments nationalizing industries (like in 2000s Venezuela).

Socialism is supposed to arise through confrontational acts of seizure and overthrow: by smashing private enterprise, not “investing” in it.

But how a policy “feels” can mask the reality, which in this case is that “investing” in private enterprise is one of the most efficient ways of destroying it.

“There are two patterns for the realization of socialism,” the important economist Ludwig von Mises wrote in his great treatise Human Action.

The first pattern... is purely bureaucratic. All plants, shops, and farms are formally nationalized... they are departments of the government operated by civil servants. Every unit of the apparatus of production stands in the same relation to the superior central organization as does a local post office to the office of the postmaster general.​

Mises dubbed this “the Lenin or the Russian pattern,” since that is how Vladimir Lenin installed socialism in Russia following the October Revolution.

“The second pattern,” Mises continued, “nominally and seemingly preserves private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary markets, prices, wages, and interest rates.”

But this “market economy” is a facade, Mises explained. Through mounting interventions (mandates, “investments,” etc) in the economy, the government’s sway over business grows and grows, to the point where it is the state that ultimately steers production, and thus becomes the de factoowner of the means of production.

Mises called this “the Hindenburg or German pattern” of realizing socialism, because that is how Paul von Hindenburg, the leader of the German Imperial Army, imposed “wartime socialism” on Germany during World War I, and also how socialism later re-emerged under the Nazis.

This form of socialism can seem like capitalism, even to those operating within it. Former business owners may think they are still at the helm of their enterprises.

But, as Mises explained, it’s an illusion:

There are, however, no longer entrepreneurs, but only shop managers (Betriebsführer in the terminology of the Nazi legislation). These shop managers are seemingly instrumental in the conduct of the enterprises entrusted to them; they buy and sell, hire and discharge workers and remunerate their services, contract debts and pay interest and amortization. But in all their activities they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the government's supreme office of production management. This office (The Reichswirtschaftsministerium in Nazi Germany) tells the shop managers what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. It assigns every worker to his job and fixes his wages. It decrees to whom and on what terms the capitalists must entrust their funds.
The “managers” Mises speaks of are no longer entrepreneurs, but have become essentially bureaucrats going through the motions of entrepreneurship. Similarly, workers no longer participate in a true labor market, but are “mobilized” and essentially assigned jobs by the state. As Mises concluded:

Market exchange is merely a sham. All the wages, prices, and interest rates are fixed by the government; they are wages, prices, and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the government's orders determining each citizen's job, income, consumption, and standard of living. The government directs all production activities. The shop managers are subject to the government, not the consumers' demand and the market's price structure. This is socialism under the outward guise of the terminology of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.
These “market” labels don’t actually do anything to coordinate production. Therefore, socialism with a capitalist veneer will be plagued with the same chaos that always afflicts plain-faced socialism.

Socialism has been cataclysmically lethal wherever it has been tried, and will always be so: it will make no difference whether it emerges through nationalization or intervention. It is absolutely vital that we come to grips with that now, because implementing a plan like Biden’s would be a great leap toward the second pattern of socialism described by Mises, or “Type 2 socialism” as we might call it, since it is as lethal as diabetes or any other disease.

The more “public investment” the tech industry gets, the more government bureaucrats will hold sway over tech “entrepreneurs,” until eventually the tech industry is effectively nationalized.

The more that small businesses are “supported” by the government, the more they will be subjugated to the state.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And the more that actual market profits are taxed away to finance all this “investment” and “support,” the more that entrepreneurs will devolve into subservient apparatchiks dependent on the government for their income.

What makes Type 2 socialism especially pernicious is not only its deceptive appearance, but how smoothly it can emerge. Instead of being menaced with seizure, captains of industry are seduced with “investment.” Instead of being marched into labor camps, workers are lulled into docility with “support.”

And in case any reader still thinks this is mere partisanship talking, I will note that President Trump has already led us quite a distance down this road. The CARES Act stimulus checks to individuals, the PPP loans to small businesses, the bailouts of big businesses, the Federal Reserve’s purchases of corporate bonds, and the Fed bailing out the banks and stock market by pumping into them trillions of new dollars: these have all been great leaps forward down the back-alley road to Type 2 socialism.

Socialism has destroyed far more lives than any single pandemic ever could. We must not let panic over one threat drive us into the maw of a much greater one.

Source: Joe Biden’s New Economic Plan Has All the Earmarks of "Type 2" Socialism | Dan Sanchez
 

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The Chinese government is NOT based on capitalism.

More precisely, the Chinese economy is based on capitalism.

Like Communists before them (such as Lenin, who played the stock market) their leaders are taking advantage of our capitalist system while maintaining a brutal Marxist dictatorship!

It's a brutal dictatorship,but as you have learned, it's no longer Marxist. Not economy based on private enterprise can be called "Marxist."


China's Communist party violently cracks down on a new group — student communists
China's Communist Party is cracking down on a new target — student communists campaigning for workers' rights.


At least a dozen student activists campaigning for workers' rights in China are missing, their friends have told outlets including Reuters, The New York Times, and The Guardian.

Over the past week agents of the Chinese government violently rounded up the young activists in major cities including Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Wuhan, and detained them. Their whereabouts remain unknown.

Their friends and associates told Reuters this was likely a coordinated effort to silence their campaign.
China's Communist party violently cracks down on a new group — student communists

No Place for Real Marxists in Communist China
The communist regime in Beijing is not really communist in the true sense of the term, though it has never failed to glorify itself as the “vanguard of workers.” However, the close nexus between the powerful and wealthy means that the interests of capitalists are far better protected than those of the proletariat and peasants. Over the years, labor-related social unrest has increased in the form of strikes and protests as disgruntled workers find no medium to voice their grievances outside the Party-controlled All-China Federation of Trade Unions. Their attempts to establish independent trade unions have been unsuccessful and their Marxism-inspired student supporters have officially been accused of creating social disorder – a sensitive issue for an authoritarian system acutely obsessed with social and political stabilities.


For the one party-state, communism is both a sword and shield with which it can attack or defend depending on the target and situation. This month, as the CCP basks in the celebration of its 69th anniversary of coming to power, an official commentary promised a bright future for the Chinese people under the supreme leadership of the Communist Party. As for the aspiring Marxists, however, the Party continues to encourage them to study its version of Marxism — and that should not be misunderstood as to actively promote core principles like social justice and equality.

In other words, Xi may want China’s people to be Marxist thinkers but not Marxist doers.
No Place for Real Marxists in Communist China

If you don't believe this, ask the Christians who are being tortured in Chinese prisons!

That happened in Nazi prisons, in South African apartheid prisons, in Argentina, and in Chile, among others. It's not unique to Marxism. In fact, the kinds of repression we see are entirely the same in these different regimes.

I do not understand why you or anyone could consider Marxism to be good. As I showed you, it's inherently flawed, because it assumes that human nature is malleable to the point that it can be changed entirely.


I've wondered why you want so desperately for BLM to be Marxist. Now, I know.
 
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Socialism has destroyed far more lives than any single pandemic ever could. We must not let panic over one threat drive us into the maw of a much greater one.

Then why are you so adamant about Marxism being "good?"

Do you not see that Marxism is merely socialism and fascism joined? Think.
 

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It astonishes me that normally astute God fearing individuals can be so contradictory to support such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (and associates) and her blind extremist views of common sense issues. But from one perspective, totally understandable, she is Catholic and the extreme left Catholic faction love her to bits. If you're more conservative Catholic, (and there are some) then Mike Pence is your man. He does upset the left though from time to time, even his fellow Catholics, when he dares to suggest that people should be subject to law and order.