A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh

[mjrhealth]

You would do well to find a dictionary and learn the definition of Theology. And then, Apologetics. And then, Soteriology. And then, Bibliology

You would be far better off knowing Christ.. So many are going to be disapointed when theyu find themselves leeft out.

But God i studied, but God i went to church, But God i did this and that.

I never knew you.

 

[mjrhealth]

I understand you are out of your depth and now give further proof. I forgive your anger at being disciplined for your errant actions and lack of understanding as regards our faith and covenant.
May God find you and give you peace.
Goodbye.

No anger mate you couldnt make me angry if you tried, but boy are you using words to do just that, is the truth so hard to bare. Have you run out of ammo so know its stones and rocks,,,

 

[mjrhealth]

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

Please not that end bit,

I bolded it for you

 

[ChristisGod]

Please not that end bit,

I bolded it for you

read my response as its sound exegesis, not my opinion.

 

[jaybird]

Mark 12: what?

in mark 12 Jesus and the scribe (Jew) agree on nature of Most High

 

[jaybird]

A Ha Ha!! Ok, only you are using the word "image" here in a sense that's completely foreign to the text. By "image," Paul meant that, as a Son, He bears the image of His Father. But he was talking about a person here, not some inanimate blueprint on a desk.

You do agree that this is abusing the meaning of a word in its context to fit a certain theological narrative, yes?

thats my point, you can call image whatever you like, but they always recognize Jesus and the Father as two individuals. they dont say Jesus is the Father, they say Jesus is the image of the Father. every greeting they address the Most High, and then they address Jesus.

 

[Hidden In Him]

thats my point, you can call image whatever you like, but they always recognize Jesus and the Father as two individuals. they dont say Jesus is the Father, they say Jesus is the image of the Father. every greeting they address the Most High, and then they address Jesus.

Yes, but Jesus is referred to in that letter as the Creator of Heaven and Earth - not some form of blueprint image, but the God who created everything.

How can He be the One who created everything and yet not be God?

 

[mjrhealth]

read my response as its sound exegesis, not my opinion.

you mean you dont want to know that bit where it says, "came from God".....

or that bit where He says, My father sent me, what has the truth to do with exegis or what ever that is

 

[ChristisGod]

you mean you dont want to know that bit where it says, "came from God".....

or that bit where He says, My father sent me, what has the truth to do with exegis or what ever that is

Well the Son was together with the Father before creation as per John 1:1 and John 17:5. Read and believe !

 

[jaybird]

Yes, but Jesus is referred to in that letter as the Creator of Heaven and Earth - not some form of blueprint image, but the God who created everything.

How can He be the One who created everything and yet not be God?

Paul was quoting from Plato (or Socrates?) all things are created through the image of the One. its not easy to explain but the image is not the creator.

 

[mjrhealth]

Well the Son was together with the Father before creation as per John 1:1 and John 17:5. Read and believe !

No, His word was with Him at the beginning so you see Christ never lied once, Before Abraham Was I am, because HE is the Word. You can read it for yourself.

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

doing just as God asked of Him

Joh_17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Just as was prophesied,

 

[Hidden In Him]

Paul was quoting from Plato (or Socrates?) all things are created through the image of the One. its not easy to explain but the image is not the creator.

Ah, you don't really wanna to go that route, Jaybird. Leaves no room for others to maybe correct your perspective.

I appreciate your responding, however - that's a good move in the right direction - but if you wish to discuss it, write up something on the passage in question, and we'll examine it together.

God bless, and thanks for responding.
- H

 

[mjrhealth]

Leaves no room for others to maybe correct your perspective.

Or maybe your understanding

 

[jaybird]

Ah, you don't really wanna to go that route, Jaybird. Leaves no room for others to maybe correct your perspective.

I appreciate your responding, however - that's a good move in the right direction - but if you wish to discuss it, write up something on the passage in question, and we'll examine it together.

God bless, and thanks for responding.
- H

actually the route of truth is the best route. ignoring truth just leads to confusion.
there is nothing to be scared of, those Greeks were not devil worshipers. Jesus said seek the Father and you will be lead to the Father, are you gonna tell me that outside Judaism not one person has seeked the Father. thats pretty far fetched.

 

[ChristisGod]

John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

 

[teamventure]

Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Thats exactly what is says. You dont believe Him... If you did you wouldnt need them because you would have Him.. Which do you prefer, your husband or a book written by men about Him..

That verse you provided is not anti-scripture
It's pro Jesus. You can't just take one verse from scripture out of context and base your entire argument around it. That's very foolish (and ironic btw that you use scripture to condemn scripture)

 

[teamventure]

The scripture the devil quoted at Jesus had no Life in it, but the scripture Jesus spoke back at the devil was Alive. The difference for you and me is the quickening [bringing to Life] Spirit, that is... the Holy Spirit. When people quench the Holy Spirit in themselves the verses from the Bible they quote are similarly dead. People will do that to support what they believe instead of really letting the Holy Spirit do the leading. People are taught to quench the Holy Spirit in most churches of my experience.

Ah yes, the difference is having his Spirit.
Thank you for that insight.

 

[teamventure]

Because He isnt, get over it...

You clearly and blatantly deny belief in Christ and are obviously not part of the faith.

 

[mjrhealth]

That verse you provided is not anti-scripture
It's pro Jesus. You can't just take one verse from scripture out of context and base your entire argument around it. That's very foolish (and ironic btw that you use scripture to condemn scripture)

but is says just that you wont go to Him you think because you have the bible you know it all, you cant even scratch the surface with all your learning. And so you leave Him out.

" I read the bible so I am right", the catholics SDA JWS mormans penetcostals.. protestans all read that same book and all they did as christians do is divide Christ as if they could.

There is a day coming where HE will no longer stand knocking on mens doors, still today they wont let Him in.

Go away Jesus I have the WORD in my hand,,,, all you have is a book, but you dont have Him,

 

[mjrhealth]

You clearly and blatantly deny belief in Christ and are obviously not part of the faith.

just the indocrinated christyianity, has nothing to do with Faith.,

NArrow is te hway tah tleads to life and few there finfd it,, thats because few are looking.