new version of OSAS?

Blood Bought 1953 said:

...it WILL happen.....I just maintain it does not HAVE to happen.

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That's a contradiction.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

The very reason that God created man was so that he could love and DO GOOD WORKS , and carry the burdens of others....these are the Faith works that count.

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Counts for what? Has value towards what? What's the context of Galatians 5:6? Justification, of course. The faith that justifies all by itself apart from works and which counts toward justification, is the faith that works. If your faith doesn't work, you don't have the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. You just think you do. The new Osas says that's not true. The new Osas says faith that DOESN'T express itself through love is also the faith that counts towards justification.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Truly “ good” Faith works Follow after Salvation....It’s a Natural result of having God’s Holy Spirit in you ....it may happen soon...it may happen later....it could NEVER happen —- check out the “ Good works” of the Thief on the Cross.....His Belief in Jesus Saved Him..... nothing else.......the “ good works” Would have followed if he could have got down from that Cross......” Would” have But didn’t.....that shows it does not Have to happen.....

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What are you talking about? He had good works. He endured a much greater test of faith than you or I will ever endure, and he did it without sinning.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Then in that case you misrepresented it .....

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How is the expression of love not obedience to God's commands?

The faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that obeys God. If it doesn't obey God, it is a fake, false faith that did not, and can not justify a person. The new Osas says that is not true. It says even dead faith justifies a person.

Ferris Bueller said:

For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4
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The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for (and look who Jude says brings that into the church). It says grace is your license that makes it so the warnings of scripture like Galatians 5:21 don't apply to you. You can just drive right on by in your unrepentant, willing, deliberate sin in eternal immunity from the damnation of the wicked. The old Osas was completely and totally opposed to this horrible teaching. The new Osas unabashedly proclaims it!

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I am tired of explaining myself, going around in circles talking to a wall....I need to move on to a new Springboard ....this one is in danger of breaking....only the “ stiff- necked” don’t get it by now.....you have seriously misunderstood everything that has been said.....you just don’t “ get it” ....you do not understand Grace ....you likely never will......I can’t help that....

I have told you repeatedly that a “ License to Sin” is like getting a license to Stick my hand in a fire....That little “ tid-bit” Alone would suffice a wise man with Insight — or one who is just not “ Stiff-Necked” or a man that had “ eyes to see”......I sincerely pray that God open your eyes to the Truth and opens your Heart to the understanding of Grace—- it’s what God uses to Save us and you just can’t grasp it.....that’s troubling ...

Blood Bought 1953 said:

I have told you repeatedly that a “ License to Sin” is like getting a license to Stick my hand in a fire....That little “ tid-bit” Alone would suffice a wise man with Insight — or one who is just not “ Stiff-Necked” or a man that had “ eyes to see”.

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Then why do you purposely do it (as you claim you do)? Do you like Drano enemas and sticking your hand in a fire?

You either don't know what Jude was talking about when he made reference to the license to sin of evil people in the church, or you're purposely avoiding the truth about it, being well aware that is EXACTLY what you are teaching.

You need to read and heed this......

Ferris Bueller said:

For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4
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The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for (and look who Jude says brings that into the church). It says grace is your license that makes it so the warnings of scripture like Galatians 5:21 don't apply to you. You can just drive right on by in your unrepentant, willing, deliberate sin in eternal immunity from the damnation of the wicked. The old Osas was completely and totally opposed to this horrible teaching. The new Osas unabashedly proclaims it!

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Blood Bought 1953 said:

I am tired of explaining myself, going around in circles talking to a wall.

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But you haven't explained this at all. You won't address it.....

Ferris Bueller said:

For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4
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The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for (and look who Jude says brings that into the church). It says grace is your license that makes it so the warnings of scripture like Galatians 5:21 don't apply to you. You can just drive right on by in your unrepentant, willing, deliberate sin in eternal immunity from the damnation of the wicked. The old Osas was completely and totally opposed to this horrible teaching. The new Osas unabashedly proclaims it!

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Michiah-Imla said:

If this were true dear friend, than this would not be written in our Bibles:

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Michiah-Imla said:

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Peter 5:8)

Now, “if Satan had nothing” on us, then there would be no need to be sober and vigilant, would there?

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Please note what I've conveyed: Satan has nothing on born again believers!

In fact, Scripture declares, "resist the devil and he will flee from you."

Born again believers are safely tucked away in God's hand! John 10:27-29.

1 Peter 5:8 is for those who are tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine... Ephesians 4:14.

To God Be The Glory

Eternally Grateful said:

It’s our faith, not our deeds that overcomes the world, as we trust Christ and his power wins every time

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Actually, it is the faith of our Lord Jesus that overcome the world. We must be careful how we choose words and terms.

Consider these Scripture verses:

Romans 3:22.... by faith of Jesus Christ...

Likewise with Galatians 2:16, 3:22; and Revelation 14:12.

To God Be The Glory

JunChosen said:

Actually, it is the faith of our Lord Jesus that overcome the world. We must be careful how we choose words and terms.

Consider these Scripture verses:

Romans 3:22.... by faith of Jesus Christ...

Likewise with Galatians 2:16, 3:22; and Revelation 14:12.

To God Be The Glory

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It’s our faith in his faith

if we do
Not trust him. He will not empower us

God does not overrule our will

Ferris Bueller said:

People don't understand those passages because they don't know the whole counsel of scripture.

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Nor do I!

JunChosen said:

Scripture declares, "resist the devil and he will flee from you

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If you aren’t being sober and vigilant to begin with, you will not be able to resist the devil.

Ferris Bueller said:

How is the expression of love not obedience to God's commands?

The faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that obeys God. If it doesn't obey God, it is a fake, false faith that did not, and can not justify a person. The new Osas says that is not true. It says even dead faith justifies a person.

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You know a lot more about this “ New” OSAS than I do! Lol....

We must get together to work on OSAS 3.0—- coming soon!

Do you like Drano enemas

Don’t knock it until you try it....lol...

Ferris Bueller said:

But you haven't explained this at all. You won't address it.....

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I will address this right now—- that ain’t me that Jude is talking about .

Ferris Bueller said:

But you haven't explained this at all. You won't address it.....

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Ahhhhh.....the good old days ( sigh).....those precious days when all we had to contend with was OSAS 1.O.......lol...

Corlove13 said:

The problem is when one is told they are saved by believing something Jesus did to secure them so they can have heaven when they physically die. (But they may not be)

Instead of telling them to trust Jesus as who God through the prophets declared Him to be in order to be born from above; And then choose to follow Him.

One who was saved they knew it....they most likely came Alive at their new birth.....And honestly they can know when they are not walking in steps in light of the Faith of Jesus.

So if you really were saved why would you have to doubt? You knew it! And if ya want to continue to know you keep steps with the Spirit. It is knowledge that is the key. For eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ who He sent.

3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen for his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

You see...so the problem is not telling the once saved they are lost when they know they are protected by their shepherd.

The problem is filtering scriptures through OSAS....and holding this doctrine of beliefs instead of Trusting Jesus Christ allowing the Spirit to lead one into all truth.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

It is Jesus that is the beginning and the end...not the scriptures filtered through Osas.

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Not sure I follow you exactly, but it does sound like you believe the simple truth that the salvation of Christ is forever. Great!

Michiah-Imla said:

If you aren’t being sober and vigilant to begin with, you will not be able to resist the devil.

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Your own will is useless You left out the most important Factor....Without Jesus You can do nothing

Luke 22-31And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. 33And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. 34And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

I will address this right now—- that ain’t me that Jude is talking about .

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Explain to me how you saying grace makes it so you can sin willfully and not be damned with the wicked is different than Jude's 'license for immorality'.

The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for


Wow, Ferris! Calm down ! You’re gonna bust a vein ! You are really getting carried away...

Seriously.... in your heart of hearts ....do you REALLY think this is what I promote in here? Do you REALLY think that I believe that God sacrificed His Son on the Cross to obtain Grace for the purpose of Sinning and getting away with it somehow?

You are not a stupid man and you know that even though we disagree, I am not an evil mad- man.....you know I am not crazy.....only a crazy man would believe what you accuse me Of.....

I go with OSAS NOT because I WANT to sin and want permission to do so, enjoy it, and get away with it....I go with OSAS because I know that despite the new desires that stem from my New Heart, Despite the fact that I hate the sins that used to never bother me.....DESPITE those things, I have enough sense to know that I “ WILL” sin again.....I need Grace....I have to have Grace or I am a Goner....so are you . If you don’t see the need for the Grace Of God every hour of every day.....you do not understand what Sin is .....you are living in a Fool’s Paradise........sin is in your very DNA....I am like Paul in this regard—- “ I don’t hold back the Grace of God”

Those that depend on their Performance —-Thinking That they have a Performance that no longer needs Grace after they got “ saved” are Lost.

Those that admit that they are sinners and have the need for Grace .....those that understand it.....are not prone to try to take advantage of it ......they thank God for it though.... and when they succumb to the sins that “ so easily beset us” ......God does not like it and He will punish it .....but I bet he beams with delight when the Saved Sinner BOLDLY goes to the Throne Of GRACE and and receives the Mercy brought about by The Shed Blood Of His Son .....It shows the Confidence and the Faith that one actually has in His Savior....Sin never pleases God but he can be very pleased by our Response to it ....That Grace is the cure for Sin....it makes you want to sin less ....knowing that A loving God will forgive you when He does not have to and when you sure as heck don’t deserve it .....that is what Spurs gratitude and aLove for God and that “ love” is the Engine that drives Obedience and the diminishing of the Sin in a Believer’s Life .....NOT by doubling- down and going back to the Law that can only “ stir - up” that old Sin Nature .....The Law was given so that “ Sin would increase” and show one the NEED for the True Cure for it......Grace.

If you can’t “ get” this you are in Severe Jeopardy when it comes to getting Saved.....it’s God's Way and you either understand it or you do not.....I’m just about finished with the Religionist that scratches his head over all of this and just does not “ get” it.....Im tired of “ casting pearls before swine” .....if the shoe fits—- wear it!