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Edward Gordon said:

Why do I want to see your thread on failed prophecies?

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I dunno. So you can get some historical perspective on some facts? How men like you for example try to predict the end of the world in their lifetimes and it doesn’t come true? Forgetting that the Father and the Father alone knows the time?
Here, take a look : List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia
Branch Davidians are mentioned there and I’m surprised David Koresh didn’t make that list but Heaven’s Gate did.

Edward Gordon said:

One. Jesus Christ. Edward Christ has a different mission. Joe Christ has a special calling, and Mary Christ has a purpose specific to her. Jesus Christ had a mission, and He has another mission when He comes back to rule the world.

And you have to understand something--there is only one Christ. When we become Christ we become "one" with Christ.

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You do realise the word CHrist is the english transliteration of the greek word “christos” which is just the greek translation of the hebrew word Messiah do you not

So saying we become christ is no different than saying we become Christos, which is no different than saying we become messiah.

ALl of them reference to the anointed one of God.

Eternally Grateful said:

You do realise the word CHrist is the english transliteration of the greek word “christos” which is just the greek translation of the hebrew word Messiah do you not

So saying we become christ is no different than saying we become Christos, which is no different than saying we become messiah.

ALl of them reference to the anointed one of God.

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Matthew 24:5 KJV
[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Waiting on him said:

Matthew 24:5 KJV
[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

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This may seem critical, and I probably shouldn’t have posted it. I believe we’d all be safer stating we are sons, as Christ was.

The obvious with all the many isms in the world is they all have to come up with their own special ideals that set them apart from the herd.

Edward Gordon said:

Hello APAK, nice to meet you.

I am currently writing a revelation of Revelation, and I believe God is showing me exactly when the end of the age will occur, and the return of Christ will usher in the Kingdom of God. But we'll have to see how that goes.

There are two things that stick out right now, however: The accelerating pace of change into futility. In other words, we are developing technologically, and a case can really be made that we are only hurting ourselves in the process, yet the change keeps accelerating. What will we do when "futility" is reached in its fullness? We will eat each other alive, and by that, I mean Armageddon.

The next thing is the decline of the United States. The U.S. has been a preventing force opposing the Satanic influence of the Beast. I've heard it said that the antichrist can't come until the U.S. gets out of the way. And that is happening very quickly now. I am 57 years old, and I don't recognize the United States anymore. I darn sure don't recognize California where I grew up. But we are a war-like nation, and when we go down it will be in war. But that war will be Armageddon.

There is no way this age has a hundred years left. No way. The thing is it may not have 25 years left either. Who knows, for that matter, what tomorrow's news will be. The pace is not just...pacing. It's accelerating. We will have another president, and he will be very conservative, but that will only fuel the forces of decline in the U.S. If the U.S. were to decline through war and civil war, the Beast would immediately seize power. It's waiting to. Satan has his troops massed on the border as we speak.

There is no time left for our grandma's Christianity. Now is the time for a sword, and if you don't have one, sell your coat to get one.

Not sure what that means.

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First of all to answer your last statement. I do not believe there is going to be an earthly physical and an exact literal 1000 year rule after Christ returns. This will be the harvest time and then the new heaven and earth. I believe since Christ's ascension, the Kingdom was established and those in Christ are in it today. He rules today from Heaven and into the earth through us, as the presence of God, his Temple. This is the symbolic, undetermined 1000 year rule, ongoing today.

Now back to your points for the end of the age.

I do whole heartedly believe events at all levels, of political, religious/spiritual, financial, social, institutional are all reeling and accelerating out of control, to the point where just human management and control is utterly useless. You used the term futility, and I agree. It is futile. The powers of the 'air' are really churning things up today.

And today's modern day technological know-how has made these evil powers more brazen and to flourish more easily around the globe. This could not even have been imagined even 50 years ago. Yes, we are definitely into something here.

The US I believe as you have also eluded to, is the key and pivotal player in all these events for the future, and Armageddon.

The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. We do need divine intervention, and very soon if not today. I just cannot pinpoint or gauge the time or point of complete run away, a place of no return, as of yet.

To be fair, I will divulge my theological position as you have already stated yours. I'm not of any denomination, sect or any official group. I do tend to gravitate towards those who are true monotheists, not trinitarians. I also tend to share the river currents and food with Biblical Unitarians and Christadelphians. And I still have some issues with their doctrine in a more minor way.

Lastly, I do own weapons, as Jesus/Yashua commanded and called us to be armed, especially after his earthly departure.

What is your take, as read in the Book of Revelation of the 144,000? Literal, symbolic...or of another kind.

I appreciate you post. I do love Christ as I believe you do and are becoming more 'like' his spirit every day, in his fullness or the same as he, into your future immortal body.

Blessing to you and the truth that only the Spirit and Christ reveals to you

They have to have very creative imaginations. Some go to the extent of writing their own special books of doctrine to give themselves validity. I personally believe that the motive is the praise of men.

@Edward Gordon.

This definition of 'God' as it explicitly and clearly reads in your post #350, in this concise manner, does 'fit into' my framework of the Father, of the Christ, his Son. This is a core belief, indeed.

Edward Gordon said:

Actually, I think it means "the anointed one." And we (Veridicans) define our use of the term anyway. "Christ" to us means: God conscious of Himself from within His physical universe." Because there's something I have not discussed here, but it may be that you and I don't even worship the same God, and since there is only one God, one of us is wrong. It's a deep theological and philosophical perspective, so I don't bring it up because most people wouldn't understand the difference, and it's not that important for most circumstances, but when talking about what "Christ" is, it matters. We believe...no, I'll just cut and past the first Article of Faith, and it is the very first Article of Faith for Veridicans:


I. God

God is the fundamental monistic consciousness, creator of the universe in all its dimensions, father of souls, the definition of life, author of truth. He is existence for its own sake.
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You may not know it, but this is not a Roman Catholic definition of God, thus it is not a Protestant definition, thus it is not a Baptist definition. And before you call it pantheism or panentheism, I assure you there is a subtle difference, but that difference makes all the difference in the world.

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It does not matter what it means to you. It matters what it means.

Messiah is the hebrew word. If you were tryign to translate the hebrew word messiah to greek, you would use the word Christos.

Christ is not even a word. Its a transliteration of the greek word. Which is a translation of the hebrew word.

So to make a doctrine based on a word that is a made up word is nonsensical is it not?

Christ is not Jesus last name, He is “the christ” or more literally “the messiah”

You were right before, there is only one messiah, hence there is only one Christos or Christos.

Even the first name of Jesus is not a real word. It is the translation of the greek word Iesus, Ithey got rid of the I and replaced it with a J to come up with Jesus) his hebrew name was yehoshua I believe with literally means Joshua, So even the name in the english is literally wrong and a made up word.

Not that it means anything to him. He knows who we are talking about.

Yahshua is definitely unique and only one. Technically he was the prophesized and promised ANOINTED Deliverer or Savior - the Messiah. That was his mission. It was a critical mission. We can never have that mission of course. Yahshua opened the gate to heaven for us.

There is one thing that all in Christ have that is the same as Yahshua @Eternally Grateful , and that is we are all ANOINTED by the same Spirit of God as Yahshua.

Strictly speaking, the Hebrew word 'mashiach' and the Greek word 'Christos' means Messiah OR just the anointed one. What was added in both the OT and NT for many was his UNIQUE MISSION. So we are all anointed and not on a Deliverer mission of course.

So the title Christ is technically correct for us to attach to ourselves, if and only if we know this means we are anointed, AS THE FIRST and ONLY CHRIST. He was the FIRST from the dead and the only one able to be the DELIVERER. And the only one then to have the authority to handle the 'SCROLL.' We are the first fruits or offspring of Christ's life mission and his spirit. We are becoming as Christ in this sense. It is unavoidable. That is what the Spirit is doing inside of us if we let it! You must know this right? We are BECOMING CHRIST.

I'm not afraid of being as Christ, or becoming him as long as you know my and your mission is quite different, as a member of the Body, of the Leader and King, the FIRST anointed one by the Father's Spirit, who had to be the Deliverer to get us into HIS Body, into the Kingdom of God today - our new home. I as you are not accustomed to using the symbol 'Christ' directly attached to our first name. I'm as Christ by using or associating myself with Yahshua's 'mission surname.' But think about it. We are of his family now, in his Body. We are his descendants. So what else can we write to intimately relate to him? I do not say APAK Christ myself because MOST people cannot understand the rationale or basis for it, especially if you think that Yahshua was equal with his Father, the God of all. It is a radical move indeed although it seems a sound one to me. There is nothing here that is blasphemous, unless you are diehard Trinitarian and you can then use or impose this type of doctrine over it...and make some hay, that is not real.

APAK said:

Yahshua is definitely unique and only one. Technically he was the prophesized and promised ANOINTED Deliverer or Savior - the Messiah. That was his mission. It was a critical mission. We can never have that mission of course. Yahshua opened the gate to heaven for us.

There is one thing that all in Christ have that is the same as Yahshua @Eternally Grateful , and that is we are all ANOINTED by the same Spirit of God as Yahshua.

Strictly speaking, the Hebrew word 'mashiach' and the Greek word 'Christos' means Messiah OR just the anointed one. What was added in both the OT and NT for many was his UNIQUE MISSION. So we are all anointed and not on a Deliverer mission of course.

So the title Christ is technically correct for us to attach to ourselves, if and only if we know this means we are anointed, AS THE FIRST and ONLY CHRIST. He was the FIRST from the dead and the only one able to be the DELIVERER. And the only one then to have the authority to handle the 'SCROLL.' We are the first fruits or offspring of Christ's life mission and his spirit. We are becoming as Christ in this sense. It is unavoidable. That is what the Spirit is doing inside of us if we let it! You must know this right? We are BECOMING CHRIST.

Im not afraid of being as Christ, or becoming him as long as you know my and your mission is quite different, as a member of the Body, of the Leader and King, the FIRST anointed one by the Father's Spirit, who had to be the Deliverer to get us into HIS Body, into the Kingdom of God today - our new home. I as you are not accustomed to using the symbol 'Christ' directly attached to our first name. I'm as Christ by using or associating myself with Yahshua's 'mission surname.' But think about it. We are of his family now, in his Body. We are his descendants. So what else can we write to intimately relate to him? I do not say APAK Christ myself because MOST people cannot understand the rationale or basis for it, especially if you think that Yahshua was equal with his Father, the God of all. It is a radical move indeed although it seems a sound one to me. There is nothing here that is blasphemous, unless you are diehard Trinitarian and you can then use or impose this type of doctrine over it...and make some hay, that is not real.

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In a sense I am also beginning to see this similarly the same but maybe a little different. The understanding I’ve been given is Jesus was a man as I am only He is the first to receive the breath of life since the fall of Adam, and I’m still not certain that the doctrine of Adam isn’t actually speaking of Christ and the church.

Adam was formed of earth just as me only l didn’t receive the breath of life at my child birth, the breath commonly referred to as the Holy Spirit was received when I was born of God. This was only available due to the works done at Calvary.

I believe earlier the question was asked where are the 144k as referenced in revelation. My opinion is these were specifically Jewish men of the first century which had a very unique anointing given to end an age that has ended almost 2k years ago.

There are continually arguments on this forum about what end times are about. In my opinion everything moving forward is about the fullness of Christ. We are the body of Christ, Gods children.

APAK said:

Yahshua is definitely unique and only one. Technically he was the prophesized and promised ANOINTED Deliverer or Savior - the Messiah. That was his mission. It was a critical mission. We can never have that mission of course. Yahshua opened the gate to heaven for us.

There is one thing that all in Christ have that is the same as Yahshua @Eternally Grateful , and that is we are all ANOINTED by the same Spirit of God as Yahshua.

Strictly speaking, the Hebrew word 'mashiach' and the Greek word 'Christos' means Messiah OR just the anointed one. What was added in both the OT and NT for many was his UNIQUE MISSION. So we are all anointed and not on a Deliverer mission of course.

So the title Christ is technically correct for us to attach to ourselves, if and only if we know this means we are anointed, AS THE FIRST and ONLY CHRIST. He was the FIRST from the dead and the only one able to be the DELIVERER. And the only one then to have the authority to handle the 'SCROLL.' We are the first fruits or offspring of Christ's life mission and his spirit. We are becoming as Christ in this sense. It is unavoidable. That is what the Spirit is doing inside of us if we let it! You must know this right? We are BECOMING CHRIST.

I'm not afraid of being as Christ, or becoming him as long as you know my and your mission is quite different, as a member of the Body, of the Leader and King, the FIRST anointed one by the Father's Spirit, who had to be the Deliverer to get us into HIS Body, into the Kingdom of God today - our new home. I as you are not accustomed to using the symbol 'Christ' directly attached to our first name. I'm as Christ by using or associating myself with Yahshua's 'mission surname.' But think about it. We are of his family now, in his Body. We are his descendants. So what else can we write to intimately relate to him? I do not say APAK Christ myself because MOST people cannot understand the rationale or basis for it, especially if you think that Yahshua was equal with his Father, the God of all. It is a radical move indeed although it seems a sound one to me. There is nothing here that is blasphemous, unless you are diehard Trinitarian and you can then use or impose this type of doctrine over it...and make some hay, that is not real.

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Can see what your saying sort of.

However

1. Christ was the anointed of God who would come and be king. I will not be a king
2. Christ is the son of God. While I am a son of God as a child of God. I am not The son of god
3. Christ was perfect in love and in all ways. While it should be all of our goals. I will admit I will never make that (at least not here on earth)


I look to be LIKE Christ. We all should. But I will NEVER BE CHRIST.

I have an issue with someone say we will be a Messiah, Christ or whatever. There is only one.

Waiting on him said:

I believe earlier the question was asked where are the 144k as referenced in revelation. My opinion is these were specifically Jewish men of the first century which had a very unique anointing given to end an age that has ended almost 2k years ago.

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When did the great tribulation which will never be seen again happen? Remembering WW1 and WW2 of the last century