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Oh you say you get it, from a snippet I provided and then proclaim for me something entirely that had nothing to do with what I said.

I have no issue with paying taxes according to the Constitution.

I absolutely do not like doling over my wealth to a Government who operates outside of the Constitution.
So which government do you think operates outside its constitution? That’s a claim I would not even make about the Trump government (yet). Canada’s government certainly operated according to its constitution when it granted an ex-Guantanamo-prisoner a high compensation, which seems to be one of the OP's grievances:

“In 2010, the Supreme Court of Canada sternly rebuked the government. It found that the interrogation of Mr. Khadr by Canadian intelligence officials at Guantánamo “offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects.” Separately, another court, the Federal Court of Canada, also found that the Conservative government had violated Mr. Khadr’s rights by not actively seeking his return. (…) After announcing the settlement, Mr. Goodale acknowledged that some Canadians would not like having the government pay money to a man they viewed as a Terrorist. But he said that the country could not deny the wrongdoing by its officials.“You may want to dismiss the rule of law and the Constitution,” Mr. Goodale told reporters in Ottawa. “But if you do that, you are fundamentally undermining the integrity of the country.” "

Canada Apologizes and Pays Millions to Citizen Held at Guantánamo Bay

So Please do not make broad sweeping statement for me.
Sorry, but you must have overlooked that I went out of my way not to make a sweeping statement about you personally.



Uh huh...So, do you think Washington, Lincoln, Hamilton, Jackson, Grant, Franklin....owned the Bills that contains their image. And you pay to them what is theirs?

You obviously do not understand, Caesar "owned" all the coins with his image.

And in the US, we don't have a Caesar, but a President, and no President OWNS coined or paper issue.


Here you ignore much the historical context and thereby the message of rendering to Caesar. In His answer Jesus cunningly both denies being a tax-resisting Zealot and implies that those interrogating him are guilty of blasphemy for even owning such an idolatrous coin. Doesn’t it say “In God we trust” on American money? What perversion, the God that’s probably worshipped most in the US is Mammon!





Huh? The USA is RICH?
You have got to be kidding!

The US Government has over twenty TRILLIONS of dollars of DEBT and climbing by seconds exponentially.

Surely you don't think DEBT constitutes a measure of WEALTH!



Do you have any clue what "poverty" in the US means? Because I would have loved to be in what defines US "poverty" growing up.

Of course America is rich. Nobody would have lent that amount of money to a poor (***)-country like Haiti. Question is where it all that money went. Certainly not into the well-being of the millions of Americans live on less than $2 a day (How Poor Are America’s Poorest? U.S. $2 A Day Poverty In A Global Context)

Whether US-Bonds will continue to be considered a reliable investment with the Trump government’s tax reform remains to be seen. And I’m afraid these millions of Americans will have to pay for it with their foodstamps.

A fair society? Our Laws that governs society was never designed to be based on Fairness, but rather was based on Biblical standards and principles of what is JUST. Probably why we have a JUSTICE system, and not a "subjective" FAIRNESS system.
As far as I know its founders never meant the US to become a theocracy but were driven by the ideas of enlightenment. However, here is what the Bible deems just: “This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.” (Jeremiah 22:3)

For more examples: Leviticus 19: 15; Amos 5; Isaiah 1:16-17; Isaiah 58:6-7; Zechariah 7: 9; Micah 6:8; Proverbs 29:7; Ezekiel 22:6-7 …


That's nice. But then the grass always appears greener, when one is not abreast of what they Speak of being so willing to jump into.

Bottom line Scripturally, Giving is according to ones heart, not out of necessity.
Well, I’d say in both instances the grass is greener on my side. But of course there are still countries that are much closer to the goal that Paul formulated in the very chapter from which you quoted: equality/fairness (2 Corinthians 8:13-15)



And not to forget...WHO is worse than an unbeliever....

1 Tim 5:8

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It seems you've forgotten who's no better than a pagan. In my mind 1 Tim. 5:8 and Matthew 5:46-48 don't contradict each other.
 

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@Taken Thanks for your post. Yes agree. Time of sorrows.

When I wrote, quote:- "Junobet lives in Germany, but she seems to know a whole lot about Canada and USA...and also many other things. I'm glad Germany has 'got it right' maybe they can teach the rest of the world. "

I should have added a :rolleyes:
It was tongue in cheek...she has in times past had a lot to say about many things...so I was being sarcastic about how she seems to know so much where 'we' are doing it wrong, which equates to me that Germany must be getting it all right. ( but for me...'lest said soonest mended where Angela Merkel is concerned! :eek: )

Got ya. Seems to be the way, individuals presuming expertise in what they have not experienced.

People in leadership positions all have their faults, like anyone else, some their faults affect their positions, some can keep the division; an ongoing comic strip of sorts for all the critics; public columnists and arm chair alike....it's a circus....sometimes funny, other times not! That's the World!!

Praise the Lord that scene will soon pass away.

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So which government do you think operates outside its constitution?

I was speaking primarily of the Fed gov't and the Fed Constitution (each state has it's own Constitution and laws). So that answer would be specifically the Fed Gov't. Has been for over a 100 years to some degree. Some sitting Servants, do greater works outside of the Constitution, than others. And the Supreme Court is no prize!

That’s a claim I would not even make about the Trump government (yet).

The government does not belong to Trump, nor would I expect you to be steep in knowledge or understanding of the US Constitution, few Americans are!

Canada’s government certainly operated according to its constitution when it granted an ex-Guantanamo-prisoner a high compensation, which seems to be one of the OP's grievances:

You do realize the complaint is not operating within the Constitution?

Many times LAWS are written outside of the Constitution. Thereafter, they are literally operating WITHIN the LAW, which was A Law established OUTSIDE of the Constitution.

And THAT happens all the time!

Sorry, but you must have overlooked that I went out of my way not to make a sweeping statement about you personally.

No apology necessary. I understand general conversation and differences of opinions based on what we know and perceive.

Here you ignore much the historical context and thereby the message of rendering to Caesar. In His answer Jesus cunningly both denies being a tax-resisting Zealot and implies that those interrogating him are guilty of blasphemy for even owning such an idolatrous coin. Doesn’t it say “In God we trust” on American money? What perversion, the God that’s probably worshipped most in the US is Mammon!

I understand all coinage was the property of Caesar, and He was the taxing Authority.
Our President is a public Servant. He does not own the coins and bills. He is not the taxing Authority.

And further, the LIMIT of the Taxing Authority, is LIMITED by the Constitution, which is constantly superseded!

So, it lands on, the People are constantly TAXED, under "unconstitutional" laws.

The founders, LIMITED US Taxing Power AND further declared an unconstitutional Law was no law at all. And there are in place SAFE-GUARDS, that are side-stepped.

It's the same old, same old...Something good....that benefit all....continuously being underminded by a few who are greedy and want it all for themselves through any deception possible.

Of course America is rich. Nobody would have lent that amount of money to a poor (***)-country like Haiti. Question is where it all that money went. Certainly not into the well-being of the millions of Americans live on less than $2 a day (How Poor Are America’s Poorest? U.S. $2 A Day Poverty In A Global Context)

No America is not RICH. America is in DEBT, as are a Majority of Americans.
Ha, America routinely BORROWS $$ to give it AWAY!

$2 a day? Misleading.
Teen-agers can make $ 12 an hour passing a hamburger to a customer.
As for myself, I have no debt, and do not live off of anything from the government handouts; and can and do routinely live with full needs and wants met; without needing or making or spending ANY dollars per day.

Whether US-Bonds will continue to be considered a reliable investment
Don't know, or care. I do not INVEST $$ with Proven Mis-managers of my $$, as American "Servants" have repeatedly proven they fit that description.

with the Trump government’s tax reform remains to be seen.

It is Trump's Administration...not Trump's Government. And any reformation that keeps the people's wealth in their pocket, I agree with.

And I’m afraid these millions of Americans will have to pay for it with their food stamps.

Pay for it? Taxes paid with food stamps?

That is nothing for you to fear, since taxiation is one thing and handouts another thing.

As far as I know its founders never meant the US to become a theocracy

It's not.


Well, I’d say in both instances the grass is greener on my side. But of course there are still countries that are much closer to the goal that Paul formulated in the very chapter from which you quoted: equality/fairness (2 Corinthians 8:13-15)

Well, there's a beauty in Countries where men are free to exercise the extent of their desired knowledge, faith, abilities, talents, without fear. In America equality is under the Law. Fairness is what kids and immature adults squabble about, thinking they DESERVE the same of what an other has who earned it...not because they earned, but simply because they breath and want it.

It seems you've forgotten who's no better than a pagan. In my mind 1 Tim. 5:8 and Matthew 5:46-48 don't contradict each other.

I don't believe Scripture contradicts, and Pagan's ? They are simply those who do not hold the same religious beliefs, as the majority of the World.

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Addressing the OP. well I guess we're right. Nation against Nation. not against another nation, but against itself. remember the conversation we had on this verse. Matthew 24:7 "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places". yes Nation, not Nation(s) with the "s" at the end. a Nation against itself. for a division will not stand. Matthew 12:25-28 "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you".

Amen. as said, if one is looking for WWIII it's already here and the fight is on. it's in our own backyard so to speak.

PCY.
 
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O Canada we weep for you.


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A lot of it sounds sad.

I can understand why a lot feel sorry for the refugees though, especially for those who had to flee countries with poorer conditions, and sometimes even fleeing persecution and coming over to Western countries for the right reason, it's a tricky one, but you know eventually people should find jobs.

There's a reason why the immigration systems are in a mess at the moment though, the Canadian government lets them in, that's not the problem though, but they let them spread their false religion when they come into the country, invite them into Churches to pray to buddha, allah, they let them perform pagan traditions and we see government people happy to get involved, and that's what can wreck a nation. It's not just a problem in Canada but also Australia, even though we have tough border laws. And that's only a fraction of the problem, that's just the immigration systems, but there are other problems, drugs, out of control youth, an increasing number of anarchists, a increasing number of wild protests, ridiculous immoral movements, and politicians allowing everything against the book of Romans, and ignoring the warnings Jesus gave of the end times. And what's the problem? They try to take Jesus out of things, and leave the Jesus out of it. And yet governments do not realize that it's such a dangerous thing to do...

What there needs to be in Canada, Netherlands, Australia, France, Belgium, is Jesus needs to be included, Jesus needs to be put 1st, they need to look to Jesus for the answers and rely on Jesus.
 
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A lot of it sounds sad.

I can understand why a lot feel sorry for the refugees though, especially for those who had to flee countries with poorer conditions, and sometimes even fleeing persecution and coming over to Western countries for the right reason, it's a tricky one, but you know eventually people should find jobs.

There's a reason why the immigration systems are in a mess at the moment though, the Canadian government lets them in, that's not the problem though, but they let them spread their false religion when they come into the country, invite them into Churches to pray to buddha, allah, they let them perform pagan traditions and we see government people happy to get involved, and that's what can wreck a nation. It's not just a problem in Canada but also Australia, even though we have tough border laws. And that's only a fraction of the problem, that's just the immigration systems, but there are other problems, drugs, out of control youth, an increasing number of anarchists, a increasing number of wild protests, ridiculous immoral movements, and politicians allowing everything against the book of Romans, and ignoring the warnings Jesus gave of the end times. And what's the problem? They try to take Jesus out of things, and leave the Jesus out of it. And yet governments do not realize that it's such a dangerous thing to do...

What there needs to be in Canada, Netherlands, Australia, France, Belgium, is Jesus needs to be included, Jesus needs to be put 1st, they need to look to Jesus for the answers and rely on Jesus.

The US has immigration laws and policies ~
And the intent is IF one desires to come to America and be a citizen, to come AS an ASSET and desire to ASSIMILATE.

They for the most part DO NOT.
They "break in" and often continue in "breaking in", thefts, burdens.
OR
They "come in" on a VISA, the gov't hands out like candy, OVER STAY, and fly under the radar for years; then say they deserve asylum.

As far as "refugees". Their responsiblility is to for them to flee and go to a country that will accept their squatting, until they can return to their country.

In the US, foreign "refugees", are picked up, transported, settled in housing, given food, and necessities....at the American People's expense FORCED to pay via Taxiation.

Americans who work and earn and take care of their own are SICK and TIRED of paying for Americans who do not work and earn and take care of their own, let alone Foreigners who do not take care of their own.

Christians should learn the difference between GLADLY lending a hand to a brethren suffering a temporary hardship AND being FORCED to enable a life long burden.

2 Thes 3:10
1 Tim 5:8

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I was speaking primarily of the Fed gov't and the Fed Constitution (each state has it's own Constitution and laws). So that answer would be specifically the Fed Gov't. Has been for over a 100 years to some degree. Some sitting Servants, do greater works outside of the Constitution, than others. And the Supreme Court is no prize!

So you want to do away with the Federal Government?

The government does not belong to Trump, nor would I expect you to be steep in knowledge or understanding of the US Constitution, few Americans are!
Thanks for correcting my wording. My knowledge of the US Constitution is indeed limited to the basics you learn in German schools about it. Alas, I sometimes get the impression that it is still steeper than that of your current President. It seems that somebody needs to tell him that the government isn’t his.

You do realize the complaint is not operating within the Constitution?

Many times LAWS are written outside of the Constitution. Thereafter, they are literally operating WITHIN the LAW, which was A Law established OUTSIDE of the Constitution.

And THAT happens all the time!

The right to a fair trial isn’t part of the Canadian constitution? ... oh yes it is: Section 11 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Wikipedia

I understand all coinage was the property of Caesar, and He was the taxing Authority.
Our President is a public Servant. He does not own the coins and bills. He is not the taxing Authority.

And further, the LIMIT of the Taxing Authority, is LIMITED by the Constitution, which is constantly superseded!

So, it lands on, the People are constantly TAXED, under "unconstitutional" laws.

The founders, LIMITED US Taxing Power AND further declared an unconstitutional Law was no law at all. And there are in place SAFE-GUARDS, that are side-stepped.

It's the same old, same old...Something good....that benefit all....continuously being underminded by a few who are greedy and want it all for themselves through any deception possible.

You lost me. Who do you think is greedy and deceptive? And how does a country work without taxes?

No America is not RICH. America is in DEBT, as are a Majority of Americans.
Ha, America routinely BORROWS $$ to give it AWAY!
Well, I know very little about economics but from what I hear you can’t run a country like a Swabian housewife runs her household. I just wish somebody had told Ms Merkel – the EU might be in a better shape for it.

I’d agree though that it is madness when Republicans claim to be all concerned about US debt, when it was Republican governments that made it go through the ceiling and it’s a Republican government that’s lowering taxes now while their President wants to spend lavishly on dictator-style military parades and non-sensical walls.

As for giving money away: that’s not exactly what would describe US-foreign policy for the past 70 years. It’s not as if the US hadn’t gotten a return. It did quite well out of the Pax Americana.

$2 a day? Misleading.
Teen-agers can make $ 12 an hour passing a hamburger to a customer.
As for myself, I have no debt, and do not live off of anything from the government handouts; and can and do routinely live with full needs and wants met; without needing or making or spending ANY dollars per day.
Congratulations for doing so well, Taken. But have you even read the link or ever asked yourself how many jobs there are in Burger-chains and how much money a single mum would have left of these 12 Dollars after she paid for childcare?

It’s not befitting for a Christian to either deny the existence of poverty or to blame it on the poor. Those who do might just find themselves on the wrong side when the nations are judged (Matthew 25:31-46).

Don't know, or care. I do not INVEST $$ with Proven Mis-managers of my $$, as American "Servants" have repeatedly proven they fit that description.


Well, then you should be very concerned about the number of former Goldman bankers in your current administration and about a President who’s dumb enough to point to the stock-market as a sign for his administration’s alleged economic success.

It is Trump's Administration...not Trump's Government. And any reformation that keeps the people's wealth in their pocket, I agree with.
How much more money do the super-rich need in their pockets?


Pay for it? Taxes paid with food stamps?

That is nothing for you to fear, since taxiation is one thing and handouts another thing.
Have a look how Trump wants to finance his tax-reductions. Also have a look whose reductions will run out in a couple of years and whose are made to stay.
Thank God for that. Albeit, some people here apparently wish it was. Whether their ideas of what God wants are really what God wants begs the question, though.

Well, there's a beauty in Countries where men are free to exercise the extent of their desired knowledge, faith, abilities, talents, without fear. In America equality is under the Law. Fairness is what kids and immature adults squabble about, thinking they DESERVE the same of what an other has who earned it...not because they earned, but simply because they breath and want it.
It's naïve to think that there are equal opportunities for all kids no matter their family’s financial background in any of our countries.

And if you cared to read 2 Corinthians 8 again, you’ll find that Paul apparently falls under what you call “immature adults”. Let me spell out for you what he said when asking the Corinthians for donations to the poor in Jerusalem:

13 Not that others should have relief while you have hardship. Rather, it is a question of fairness. 14 At the present time, your surplus fills their need, so that their surplus may fill your need. In this way things are fair. 15 As it is written,

“The person who had much did not have too much,
and the person who had little did not have too little.”
(2 Corinthians 8:13-15)

And what was the state of affairs among Christians in Jerusalem, to whom the Corinthians should donate?

32 Now all the believers were one in heart and soul, and nobody called any of his possessions his own. Instead, they shared everything they owned. 33 With great power, the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was on them all, 34 since none of them needed anything, because everyone who had land or houses would sell them and bring the money received for the things sold 35 and lay it at the apostles’ feet. Then it was distributed to anyone who needed it.“ (Acts 4:32-35)


Not that Canada is perfect according to above-mentioned Christian ideal of financial fairness. But it seems it’s still better than the US: Income inequality - Canada and world results

I don't believe Scripture contradicts, and Pagan's ? They are simply those who do not hold the same religious beliefs, as the majority of the World.

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Taken​
Point being that Jesus says that it's not a great feat to only love your friends and Family: everybody does. His Followers ought to also love people they don't feel close to or even perceive as enemies. Apparently the xenophobes in this forum find this command really difficult to handle.
 
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So you want to do away with the Federal Government?

Did I say or imply such a thing ?
Uh no!

Thanks for correcting my wording. My knowledge of the US Constitution is indeed limited to the basics you learn in German schools about it. Alas, I sometimes get the impression that it is still steeper than that of your current President. It seems that somebody needs to tell him that the government isn’t his.

The US Constitution is steeper than the President, doesn't even make sense.

Did he claim the government was his?

The right to a fair trial isn’t part of the Canadian constitution? ... oh yes it is: Section 11 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Wikipedia

No clue.

You lost me. Who do you think is greedy and deceptive?

That's easy;
Poly - means many
Tics - are blood sucking creatures.

Put that together and you have a Politician that operates in a career in Politics.

And how does a country work without taxes?

I didn't say it, so why are you asking me that question?

Well, I know very little about economics but from what I hear you can’t run a country like a Swabian housewife runs her household. I just wish somebody had told Ms Merkel – the EU might be in a better shape for it.

Don't know about Merkel's methods.

I’d agree though that it is madness when Republicans claim to be all concerned about US debt, when it was Republican governments that made it go through the ceiling and it’s a Republican government that’s lowering taxes now while their President wants to spend lavishly on dictator-style military parades and non-sensical walls.

Republicans sent the Debt through the ceiling....

Eh - Obama, Dem leads all other Presidents
$ Wise
And FDR, Dem leads all other Presidents
% Wise.

Seems your wisdom on such matter is off kilter.

What is a lavish dictatorial style military parade?

Non-sensual wall? Perhaps you are unaware of the responsibility of the US Federal gov't to protect it's citizens from foreign invasion.
Many, many people I know have had their homes vandalized and vehicles stolen by river crossing illegals, including myself.

As for giving money away: that’s not exactly what would describe US-foreign policy for the past 70 years. It’s not as if the US hadn’t gotten a return. It did quite well out of the Pax Americana.

I'm not going to go tit for tat with you on Government wasteful spending with borrowed money. Trillions of dollars of Debt, speaks for itself.


But have you even read the link or ever asked yourself how many jobs there are in Burger-chains and how much money a single mum would have left of these 12 Dollars after she paid for childcare?

I would presume such a mum didn't create those children by herself.

It’s not befitting for a Christian to either deny the existence of poverty or to blame it on the poor. Those who do might just find themselves on the wrong side when the nations are judged (Matthew 25:31-46).

If you read Scripture you would find it is about individuals helps others.

Since you seem in favor of what you think others should be doing. How many refugees are living in your home? How many homeless have you taken into your home? How many parolled prisoners have you taken into your home?

Well, then you should be very concerned about the number of former Goldman bankers in your current administration and about a President who’s dumb

You are out of line.

I highly doubt you know Trump to make such a gossipy comment.

enough to point to the stock-market as a sign for his administration’s alleged economic success.

Agree with your statement you know very little about economics. The stock market routinely is a common quick gauge of spending VS hoarding. Spending always indicates a steady or viable economy.

How much more money do the super-rich need in their pockets?

Whatever they decide, after all, IT IS THEIR EARNINGS. Why? Do you think People should have the Authority to put a CAP on the amount of money one can earn? Or do you think People should have the Authority to tell other people what to do with THEIR money?

Have a look how Trump wants to finance his tax-reductions.

His Tax reductions?

Gosh, you mean a reduction on HIS personal Compensation PAID to a President?

That would be AWESOME if he had to PAID ZERO in taxes for HIS Personal Compensation. Since every penny of his Compensation, he is required by Law to Take, has been, BY HIM, given away.

Also have a look whose reductions will run out in a couple of years and whose are made to stay.

And so? What about it?

It's naïve to think that there are equal opportunities for all kids no matter their family’s financial background in any of our countries.

Equal opportunities are "under the Law".
The Government doesn't BIRTH children, nor should be providing for or raising them, but in a rare occasion, which our Constitution provides for.​

And if you cared to read 2 Corinthians 8 again, you’ll find that Paul apparently falls under what you call “immature adults”.

I would not say that about Paul, nor should imply that for me.

Let me spell out for you what he said when asking the Corinthians for donations to the poor in Jerusalem:

13 Not that others should have relief while you have hardship. Rather, it is a question of fairness. 14 At the present time, your surplus fills their need, so that their surplus may fill your need. In this way things are fair. 15 As it is written,

“The person who had much did not have too much,
and the person who had little did not have too little.”
(2 Corinthians 8:13-15)

And what was the state of affairs among Christians in Jerusalem, to whom the Corinthians should donate?

You forgot to spell out where is this modern day community of men with all like hearts, and the Apostals whom each individual is going to lay their $$ at their feet, and then take out what they need?


32 Now all the believers were one in heart and soul, and nobody called any of his possessions his own. Instead, they shared everything they owned. 33 With great power, the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was on them all, 34 since none of them needed anything, because everyone who had land or houses would sell them and bring the money received for the things sold 35 and lay it at the apostles’ feet. Then it was distributed to anyone who needed it.“ (Acts 4:32-35)


[/QUOTE]Not that Canada is perfect according to above-mentioned Christian ideal of financial fairness. But it seems it’s still better than the US: Income inequality - Canada and world results [/QUOTE]

Are you as self proclaimed arm chair expert in the affairs of the US and Canada, or have some recognized credentials?
Point being that Jesus says that it's not a great feat to only love your friends and Family: everybody does. His Followers ought to also love people they don't feel close to or even perceive as enemies. Apparently the xenophobes in this forum find this command really difficult to handle.

You obviously missed the Point.

Giving By ones own choice is one thing.
Being Forced to Give is another thing.
Scripture Teaches to Give by ones own choice.
Government's FORCE Giving to THEM, to dole out to others.
THAT has nothing whatsoever to do with individuals supporting the Government.

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The US has immigration laws and policies ~
And the intent is IF one desires to come to America and be a citizen, to come AS an ASSET and desire to ASSIMILATE.

They for the most part DO NOT.
They "break in" and often continue in "breaking in", thefts, burdens.
OR
They "come in" on a VISA, the gov't hands out like candy, OVER STAY, and fly under the radar for years; then say they deserve asylum.

As far as "refugees". Their responsiblility is to for them to flee and go to a country that will accept their squatting, until they can return to their country.

In the US, foreign "refugees", are picked up, transported, settled in housing, given food, and necessities....at the American People's expense FORCED to pay via Taxiation.

Americans who work and earn and take care of their own are SICK and TIRED of paying for Americans who do not work and earn and take care of their own, let alone Foreigners who do not take care of their own.

Christians should learn the difference between GLADLY lending a hand to a brethren suffering a temporary hardship AND being FORCED to enable a life long burden.

2 Thes 3:10
1 Tim 5:8

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Ye it might sound harsh, but it's true, and you're right there is a difference between giving out of your heart, and being forced to pay a large chunk of money to the government, it should be up to the people to donate out of their hearts when it comes to the financial welfare of others.

And then there should be wisdom, when it comes to government spending too... You don't hear of any individual person, well there maybe a 1 or 2 people hahaha, but you don't hear much of someone saying we are going to borrow a billion dollars, spend it all and pay it back weekly on a wage of $800 per week.

We would think it would be smart if governments actually paid off their debts, and get into the surplus zone a bit, before announcing record government funding for different things. In Australia they made a new record in how much they are spending on schools, and there was a report that found that students are actually performing worst at Australian schools then previous, despite record government funding for schools.....

Big government taxes, especially in Australia, puts a massive strain on many small business owners, to the point where they are struggling to make a living for their own households, us employees well we are lucky, because anyone who is an employee needs to have a set minimum wage by law, holiday pay, sick pay, etc. but when it comes to small business owners they aren't so lucky, and many of them do get under a minimum hourly rate, but ye it plays a part in sending industries overseas, and if this keeps happening, well the future generations cop it, and if small businesses die out in Australia, it's you either go work in a government paid job, where the government uses the taxpayers money to pay you, work for some big business or go and work overseas and that cycle can't keep running on because the government has to get some money from somewhere, and if 95% of the population were government paid workers, and these workers were even paying a high tax rate of 30 - 50%, the government will be spending 3x as much as they earn to that 95% who are government paid workers, and that's only people's wages, it doesn't include welfare payments, doesn't include extra funding to upgrade schools, hospitals, build new roads, building facilities in communities, upgrading transport, paying off other countries that they still need to pay back, then there are the governments ridiculously putting money behind abortions, euthanasia, LGBT, immoral sex education, etc, etc. So when we add all those things into the picture they are really spending nothing less 10x - 20x more then they are earning, and it could even be more, which would see government debt blow out into infinity trillion dollars, which would be disastrous for the entire global economy, that may lead to other things.

Anyway, with all the bad news and madness going on in the world right now, thank God, Jesus is coming back soon and that's the good news. :)
 
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Did I say or imply such a thing ?
Uh no!
What did you mean to say and imply then?

That's easy;
Poly - means many
Tics - are blood sucking creatures.
Put that together and you have a Politician that operates in a career in Politics.[/QUOTES]

You’ve got your etymology wrong, but I guess you know that. Personally I’ve become more and more conservative with age (conservative in the actual sense of the word): By now I prefer seasoned politicians to run state affairs just as I’d prefer a seasoned doctor over a plumber to do open heart surgery.

I didn't say it, so why are you asking me that question?
See above: I was trying to extract meaning from your rather confusing writing. Want to explain again what you were actually on about?

Don't know about Merkel's methods.

Imposing crippling austerity on Germany and other EU-States that would have been better served with a stimulus pack.

Republicans sent the Debt through the ceiling....

Eh - Obama, Dem leads all other Presidents
$ Wise
And FDR, Dem leads all other Presidents
% Wise.
One of the things that make democracy difficult is people’s short memory: Obama came into office a couple of weeks after a massive economic crisis hit the world that’s been caused by the reckless policies of his predecessor, who drove US dept up after Clinton had just brought it down. Trump now takes back all banking regulations that the Obama administration had put into place to prevent such a crisis from happening again.

What is a lavish dictatorial style military parade?
Donald Trump orders Pentagon to plan grand military parade

Non-sensual wall? Perhaps you are unaware of the responsibility of the US Federal gov't to protect it's citizens from foreign invasion.
Many, many people I know have had their homes vandalized and vehicles stolen by river crossing illegals, including myself.
There are better and more cost-efficient ways to protect your borders: Why border walls – even with Canada – are not the Republicans' Trump card


I'm not going to go tit for tat with you on Government wasteful spending with borrowed money. Trillions of dollars of Debt, speaks for itself.
Shouldn’t have entered into an arms race with the Soviets and shouldn’t have started all these avoidable wars. But what’s done is done. Again: if you are concerned about state debt, ask yourself how many US-bridges could have been repaired for the cost of Trump’s frequent trips to Mar-a-Lago.

I would presume such a mum didn't create those children by herself.
I would presume that the first step to minimize the number of abortions is to stop stigmatizing single-mums who didn’t manage to secure a provider and to start offering them help.

If you read Scripture you would find it is about individuals helps others.
I quoted scripture that clearly says otherwise. Christianity is a religion that has its focus on community. Your individualism and each for their own world-view is alien to it and has its grounds in American culture rather than in sound exegesis.

Since you seem in favor of what you think others should be doing. How many refugees are living in your home? How many homeless have you taken into your home? How many parolled prisoners have you taken into your home?

You want me to sing my own praise? I don’t deserve any. When it comes to the judgement described in Mt 25:31-46 God will not just remember the few occasions on which I actually have invited homeless people and paroled prisoners into my home, but also the many occasions on which I found excuses not to. These days the excuse is that my spare bed-room has been turned into my foster-son’s room. That foster-son goes to the school next door, which has taken on significantly more refugee-kids than any other school in town. So my house is frequently visited by his Iraqi and Syrian friends. Whenever I hear news from that part of the world, I praise the Lord these children and their parents are now in safety. Would you rather they got bombed and killed like so many others?

I highly doubt you know Trump to make such a gossipy comment.

That Trump has many bankers in his Administration is a demonstrable fact: Trump hires yet another Goldman Sachs banker

Agree with your statement you know very little about economics. The stock market routinely is a common quick gauge of spending VS hoarding. Spending always indicates a steady or viable economy.

Sorry, but if you equate the stock-market with the real economy you know even less about economy than I do + you contradict your very own statement from the post before. Well, it seems such contradictions are the new normal in the US these days.

Whatever they decide, after all, IT IS THEIR EARNINGS. Why? Do you think People should have the Authority to put a CAP on the amount of money one can earn? Or do you think People should have the Authority to tell other people what to do with THEIR money?
His Tax reductions?
Gosh, you mean a reduction on HIS personal Compensation PAID to a President?
That would be AWESOME if he had to PAID ZERO in taxes for HIS Personal Compensation. Since every penny of his Compensation, he is required by Law to Take, has been, BY HIM, given away.
You’re picking words to avoid the topic. Of course I was talking about the tax reductions the Trump Administration put into place. But yes: Trump’s family will also benefit: Trump will personally save up to $15m under tax bill, analysis finds

And so? What about it?
See my comment on people’s short memory. In the long-run the deficit will explode, middle-income families’ taxes will rise and whichever government that is in place then will be blamed for it.


Equal opportunities are "under the Law".
The Government doesn't BIRTH children, nor should be providing for or raising them, but in a rare occasion, which our Constitution provides for.
Well I’d want my government to staff and equip state-funded public schools as well as possible, to actually give poor children something resembling equal opportunity. I’m also happy that there’s no home-schooling in my country: children aren’t private property and they should not be made to bear the burden of their parent's failings.

I would not say that about Paul, nor should imply that for me.

You forgot to spell out where is this modern day community of men with all like hearts, and the Apostals whom each individual is going to lay their $$ at their feet, and then take out what they need?
I could start with the very many monasteries that are still in existence, but honestly: the very question shows that you are arguing from the position of what the Bible often calls “the world”.

Not that Canada is perfect according to above-mentioned Christian ideal of financial fairness. But it seems it’s still better than the US: Income inequality - Canada and world results

Are you as self proclaimed arm chair expert in the affairs of the US and Canada, or have some recognized credentials?
I’m not an expert in anything, but I will consult experts for information, rather than blindly believing everything demagogues tell me.
You obviously missed the Point.

Giving By ones own choice is one thing.
Being Forced to Give is another thing.
Scripture Teaches to Give by ones own choice.
Government's FORCE Giving to THEM, to dole out to others.
THAT has nothing whatsoever to do with individuals supporting the Government.
See above: you are confusing neo-liberal capitalist ideology with what the Bible actually teaches. You’ve got to read it in context rather than just in out-of-context snippets that sound as if they support your pre-conceived views.
 

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What did you mean to say and imply then?

Government is an institution.

Servants are elected and appointed to oversee the LIMITED daily functions of the Offices of the Government.

When the Servants are CORRUPT, the functions of the Offices become CORRUPT.

When the Servants are CORRUPT, they become the BLOOD SUCKING LEACHES that prey upon the PUBLIC at large.

I think I was pretty clear.
I guess some people do not know the difference between a Government and Government Servants.

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Josho ~ Hi

It's the same in the US.
Progressive Liberalism.
Straight out of the Commy Manifesto.
Read THAT ^ sometime, you'll see.

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lol, guess the whole world is your enemy, huh?
governments are condemned, politicians are crap, refugees are just lazy sponges, who would rather live in your country than their home, and what, basically anyone who is not a fascist is condemned here, i guess?

do you ppl even know what "fascist" means?
 

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lol, guess the whole world is your enemy, huh?
governments are condemned, politicians are crap, refugees are just lazy sponges, who would rather live in your country than their home, and what, basically anyone who is not a fascist is condemned here, i guess?

do you ppl even know what "fascist" means?

That's pretty odd ball ~

Considering you make statements, with your own language, and then hand it off "AS IF", it is what another has said....

And then BASH, your own comments!!

What "fascist" means....? Eh...

How about what "misrepresentation" means?

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That's pretty odd ball ~

Considering you make statements, with your own language, and then hand it off "AS IF", it is what another has said....

And then BASH, your own comments!!

What "fascist" means....? Eh...

How about what "misrepresentation" means?

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how bout we stop changing the subject whenever it gets uncomfortable, just for a minute, and stick to the point, which is that you are promoting fascist ideology? i can go dig up a checklist if you like, i think you ticked just about every box up there.

i expect baby-boomers to agree with you, after all they are all whacked fence-sitters anyway, and busy denying responsibility for our current state (fascism) and our current potus, who is obviously a psychopath, just like you are doing, pointing the finger everywhere but at yourself, but don't think you can put that yack over on the undeceived, ok. God will judge them differently for their ignorance, i guess

and don't get me wrong, i have fascist friends, my mom is a committed fascist, i don't expect ppl that are so completely deceived that they are proudly and openly admitting to being enmeshed in the things of the world to be perfect or anything, i'm not either--but at least i'm not in denial about it
 
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how bout we stop changing the subject whenever it gets uncomfortable, just for a minute, and stick to the point, which is that you are promoting fascist ideology? i can go dig up a checklist if you like, i think you ticked just about every box up there.

i expect baby-boomers to agree with you, after all they are all whacked anyway, and denying responsibility for our current state (fascism) and our current potus, who is obviously a psychopath, but don't think you can put that yack over on the undeceived, ok

and don't get me wrong, i have fascist friends, my mom is a committed fascist, i don't expect ppl that are admitting to being enmeshed in the things of the world to be perfect or anything, i'm not either--but at least i'm not in denial about it

If you are a FASCIST, LIKE your Mom, and your friends, we can understand, that is your right to announce it.

Your attempt to make yourself creditable with misrepresentation and name-calling, immediately removes you from consideration of creditability.

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