Calvinism is a Cult

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Nancy said:
Yes JBF, you are correct. I keep trying to stay away from this thread but, can't help but defend myself when someone attacks me and thinks they "know" me by a few posts. Wow. Okay...I am REALLY done with this thread now, lol. I do not like to be at odds with other Christians, I just assume pray for them and pass by their posts.

You are a good sister, Nancy...and very attuned to the Spirit and sound doctrine.

Also, their accusations against you and me are basically unfounded. They need to do what they required of you and bring up the posts that substantiate their claims....otherwise they need to keep their mouths shut.

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Laish said:
That’s fine I won’t bother you anymore.
Blessings
Bill

It's no bother...I actually enjoy discussion when it is done in the spirit of phileo.

Nancy · Mar 3, 2019

justbyfaith said:
You are a good sister, Nancy...and very attuned to the Spirit and sound doctrine.

Also, their accusations against you and me are basically unfounded. They need to do what they required of you and bring up the posts that substantiate their claims....otherwise they need to keep their mouths shut.

Thank you for the kind words JBF, was much needed today

Preacher4Truth · Mar 3, 2019

justbyfaith said:
It is starting to wax ugly in here...time to take a break.

Keep in mind what it says in the following verse:

Galatians 5:15, But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

re #908, #910, and #914.

Why would that text apply here, according to you and others we're in a cult.

I find it appalling that you libel, take God's word out of context, don't really care about all that, talk of liberty from sin at the same time, all the while you practice these things.

Then to top that off you claim to be a Christian.

Things aren't lining up with your practice and your claims.

And you think when you stand before the Judge of all the earth it's going to turn out OK that you practiced these things, never owned up, never apologized, and congratulate others for doing the same things? Since we can see this, and call you on it, being mere mortals, what will the LORD have to say?

Preacher4Truth · Mar 3, 2019

Laish said:
That’s fine I won’t bother you anymore.
Blessings
Bill

He offers a fake olive branch in one post about taking a break, then one post later, after talking about biting and devouring others and how it is wrong he goes ahead and does it again anyway. Immediately. Without batting an eye.

Wow.

Preacher4Truth · Mar 3, 2019

Nancy said:
Thank you for the kind words JBF, was much needed today

Don't be fooled, you're not sound in doctrine, not by any means.

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Preacher4Truth said:
I find it appalling that you libel, take God's word out of context, don't really care about all that, talk of liberty from sin at the same time, all the while you practice these things.

Please give thread name, page #, and post # where I have done this.

Preacher4Truth said:
And you think when you stand before the Judge of all the earth it's going to turn out OK that you practiced these things, never owned up, never apologized, and congratulate others for doing the same things? Since we can see this, and call you on it, being mere mortals, what will the LORD have to say?

I would love to own up to it if I actually did what you're saying.

btw, I happen to know that I am redeemed by the blood of the Lamb...and that means that my sins are covered and will not be imputed to me.

Nevertheless, for the sake of my relationship with Christ, if I have done what you are accusing me of, then I would like to see the evidence so that I can confess my sin before the Lord.

Preacher4Truth said:
Why would that text apply here, according to you and others we're in a cult.

So that gives you an excuse before God to act un-Christian? You claim to be adherents to the Bible...and therefore the moral tenets of the Bible ought to have a bearing on your behaviour...I expect better of a Jehovah's Witness or Mormon!

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Preacher4Truth said:
He offers a fake olive branch in one post about taking a break, then one post later, after talking about biting and devouring others and how it is wrong he goes ahead and does it again anyway. Immediately. Without batting an eye.

Wow.

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Psa 64:2, Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:
Psa 64:3, Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:
Psa 64:4, That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.
Psa 64:5, They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 64:6, They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep.
Psa 64:7, But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Mar 3, 2019

Nancy, .

[I will continue to allow the Spirit to guide me into ALL truth, not you.]

You ARE NOT guided into all truth. That passage was spoken only to the Apostles,not you

Anthony D'Arienzo · Mar 3, 2019

friend of said:
When we are in the state of being pulled by Irresistible grace then we are no longer dead.

But then we are no longer capable of choosing. Irresistible means just that; that we cannot choose.

Calvinists must ignore the meaning of Irresistible in order to allow for free will.

You do not understand what you are posting about...here it is;
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
2._____ This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
( 2 Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25; Ephesians 1:19, 20 )

3._____ Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.
( John 3:3, 5, 6; John 3:8 )

4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
Nancy, .

[I will continue to allow the Spirit to guide me into ALL truth, not you.]

You ARE NOT guided into all truth. That passage was spoken only to the Apostles,not you

The scripture in question teaches that the Spirit will guide all those into all truth, who have His Spirit...and the Spirit was not given only to the apostles. Therefore you are mistaken.

Preacher4Truth · Mar 3, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
Nancy, .

[I will continue to allow the Spirit to guide me into ALL truth, not you.]

You ARE NOT guided into all truth. That passage was spoken only to the Apostles,not you

Nancy doesn't realize when God is attempting to correct her, and that he decreed men of God, pastors, teachers to do so. But she will have none of that.

She, like many others refuses any correction, (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and won't even consider it, all the while blasting others as she does with false accusations of error. It's interesting to see her theological errors and false assumptions, while blaming it on being lead to all truth.

Hmmm. So, she's inerrant in her teaching. Unreal.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Mar 3, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Jhn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

So...you want to highlight the first 6 words, but then ignore the explanation given by the Holy Spirit going thru verse 13, interesting...Do you use a black sharpie to cross that out of your bible? you need to explain the whole section, not just 6 words..

Enoch111 · Mar 3, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
You ARE NOT guided into all truth. That passage was spoken only to the Apostles,not you...

Really? Well perhaps you have not really studied that passage or related passages.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13)

No doubt this was being addressed to the apostles at that time. But by extension, it was being addressed to ALL Christians who receive the Holy Spirit as a gift. Because every believer needs the guidance of the Holy Spirit in order to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

And the apostle John confirms this for us in his first epistle:

But ye have an unction [anointing] from the Holy One [the Holy Spirit], and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth... But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1 John 2:20,21,27)

So you are denying what the apostles and God affirm in Scripture. Which is not surprising, since you also deny many Gospel truths.

justbyfaith · Mar 3, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
You do not understand what you are posting about...here it is;
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
2._____ This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
( 2 Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25; Ephesians 1:19, 20 )

3._____ Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.
( John 3:3, 5, 6; John 3:8 )

4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )

As for 4...

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, Romans 10:13.

...and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out, John 6:37b.

As for 3...

this is teaching for those who have itching ears...who do not want to make a commitment to follow Christ.

As for 2...

yes he is enabled, but not by regeneration.

As for 1...

We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, Romans 5:2.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Mar 3, 2019

Enoch111,

I love it when you clowns come out of the woodwork and suggest that we do notunderstand this passage,when in reality you have less than no understanding of the passage
[Really? Well perhaps you have not really studied that passage or related passages.]

I have studied it inside out over the years, and will make short work of your falsehoods right in this thread.
[Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13)]

No doubt this was being addressed to the apostles at that time.]

It was only addressed to the Apostles ..period. How do we know that; watch;
Jn14:
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
You were not present with Jesus... Enoch
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,

he shall teach you all things,
This is spoken to the Apostles alone,how do we know this?watch
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You were not there in the first place Enoch, to hear Jesus live and in person, So the Spirit cannot bring to your remembrance what you never heard in the first place...

{But by extension, it was being addressed to ALL Christians who receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.}

No it is not, there cannot be any extension as you were not there in the first place. You are just pulling that out of your imagination.

[Because every believer needs the guidance of the Holy Spirit in order to rightly divide the Word of Truth.]
The Spirit allows us to believe, or welcome truth, but you are not guided into all truth as the Apostles were.

[But ye have an unction [anointing] from the Holy One [the Holy Spirit], and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth... But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1 John 2:20,21,27)]
I jn 4:6 confirms believers were allowed to believe Apostolic teaching by the Spirit;
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

That is how i know you have the spirit of error

[So you are denying what the apostles and God affirm in Scripture. Which is not surprising, since you also deny many Gospel truths]

Sorry my misguided friend, but your error is on display...delete your post before everyone see's it, and I will not tell that you posted this wrong idea.

SovereignGrace · Mar 3, 2019

Nancy said:
Okay, I am breaking my promise to myself once again, lol. Are we not His "bond servents"?

Yes. We are now slaves to the Christ. Christos Dolous means exactly that.

You got that right! They overlook the simplicity of Gods Word and rarely if ever speak of those many, many verses that include All, Any, the world etc.

3 We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; 5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel 6 which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth;[Colossians 1]

It says the gospel is bearing fruit in all the world. Did everybody who was alive then hear this gospel? No. Those in South America, Central America, North America, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, North Pole etc. hadn’t heard this gospel at that time. World does not mean everybody whoever lived.

If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.[John 15:19]

Here it says we were chosen out of the world. If world means all whoever lived, how can we be called out of it? World here means the lost, not everybody whoever lived.

He was in the world, and He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him, and the world did not know Him.[John 1:10]

He was in the all whoever lived?
And all whoever lived did not know Him?

Again, world rarely means all whoever lived. It say in John 1:10b and the world was made through Him, so here world means all whoever lived because He made everything, including us.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Mar 3, 2019

justbyfaith said:
As for 4...

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, Romans 10:13.

...and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out, John 6:37b.

As for 3...

this is teaching for those who have itching ears...who do not want to make a commitment to follow Christ.

As for 2...

yes he is enabled, but not by regeneration.

As for 1...

We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, Romans 5:2.

You do not get to pick and choose which verses you like or do not like, all verses have to work in the texts, you take half verses as satan did in luke 4, but Jesus would have none of that.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Satan left out part of the verse like you do....[in all thy ways}
psalm91
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

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