The Church The Papacy Says You Should Join

brakelite said:

Mmm. Tell that to the many Vietnam vets who still don't know why they went there. But the Vatican knows huh.

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Do you think that the Serbs would agree with you BoL when you explain to them the justice of having priests fighting among the Ustachi?

quietthinker said:

Just for your information BOL, here is a clipping from this mornings news

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Another Op-Ed piece which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject (we were discussing, which is the Sabbath.

Anyway - all this Op-Ed piece shows is an abuse of power by some - but NOT official doctrine.
I can just as easily cherry-pick through the many sins of the leadership of just about ANY Protestant denomination - so try to stay on-point.

brakelite said:

Do you think that the Serbs would agree with you BoL when you explain to them the justice of having priests fighting among the Ustachi?

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Can you show me the OFFICIAL Catholic declaration, document or decree that ordered these priests to fight?
I didn't think so, Einstein . . .

Your arguments are as phony as your SDA doctrines . . .

JohnPaul said:

I really don't like all the Catholic hate going on, Many accused Martin Luther of being racist, shall we deem all Lutherans racist?

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If you can quote a post of mine that expresses hated toward any Catholic individual then I shall take no further part in this conversation and a general apology shall be issued forthwith.
Thing is though bro, hatred isn't such a bad thing. Intense dislike for something that is dangerous to yours and your loved ones health and well being is not a bad thing yeah? And history shows that Catholicism as an enterprise and power hungry state had not been the positive influence in the moral and political nor financial well-being of any country which they have taken over as far as I can tell .

Phoneman777 said:

Dead Bread, stop pretending the church didn't quietly pay off families of victims. No court records. No lawsuits. Just attorneys on both sides meeting to hammer out the details in what was a papist child rapist cottage industry, where the priests did no jail time, were shuffled around to other parishes, and everybody turned a blind eye.

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Yes, this is what is known as a "settlement", Einstein.
They are ALL transparent and legitimate. None of this was done in "secret".

brakelite said:

If you can quote a post of mine that expresses hated toward any Catholic individual then I shall take no further part in this conversation and a general apology shall be issued forthwith.
Thing is though bro, hatred isn't such a bad thing. Intense dislike for something that is dangerous to yours and your loved ones health and well being is not a bad thing yeah? And history shows that Catholicism as an enterprise and power hungry state had not been the positive influence in the moral and political nor financial well-being of any country which they have taken over as far as I can tell .

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I think it will be nearly impossible to reeducate the masses, they will have to learn it on their own like I did.

BreadOfLife said:

Show me the Biblical doctrine that says it's okay to kill native Americans
and steal their land.

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doctrine of discovery

While you're at it - you also need to show me the Biblical doctrine about the sun revolving around the sun.

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Giordano Bruno was burned alive for believing the earth revolved around the sun. this idea was Heresy and against what the church taught. Galileo was jailed for the same thing, he was closely tied to the Medici family so they let him go. when you have friends with money you get a free pass.

If you can show me these Biblical doctrines - I will leave the Catholic Church and join YOU in your rebellion.

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rebellion?, you mean thnking for ones self with out a council telling me what to think?

Phoneman777 said:

I've already stated it, but it bears worth repeating: I have a solution to what the rest of us can only conclude - by your own constant characterization of the countless statements offered by your own papal representatives which describe papal practices that are opposed to Scripture - as an epidemic of rogue papists within the papacy: have the Pedophile-in-Chief Jorge declare a death decree to any and all "heretics" who would dare publicly declare or publish anything that is contrary to "official papal dogma".

Just like old times, right?

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The funny things is that YOU don't even understand what a "heretic" is.
MOST of the anti-Catholic posters on this form don't.

As for "pedophiles" in the ranks - you REALLY should do your homework, Einstein.
the problem is out of control on your own cult . . .
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JohnPaul said:

Jaybird, no Christian accepts the killing of Indians, that was a tragic part in U.S. history.

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thats easy to say after everything has been taken.
and it was a tragic part of US history that was backed up by the church at the time.

jaybird said:

thats easy to say after everything has been taken.
and it was a tragic part of US history that was backed up by the church at the time.

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America was anti-Cathoilic at the time, it was and is a Protestant nation, how was the Catholic Church to blame?

You need to move on, don't be like the blacks who are still moaning and groaning about slavery and trying to get reparations when that was a few hundred years ago, most are on some kind of government assistance anyway, don't be like them.

jaybird said:

doctrine of discovery

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Soooooooi, you couldn't find a Biblical doctein so you made one up - is that it??

jaybird said:

Giordano Bruno was burned alive for believing the earth revolved around the sun. this idea was Heresy and against what the church taught. Galileo was jailed for the same thing, he was closely tied to the Medici family so they let him go. when you have friends with money you get a free pass.

rebellion?, you mean thnking for ones self with out a council telling me what to think?

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Giordan Bruno being executed for "science" is a work of anti-Catholic fiction.
He was executed by the secular authorities for MANY things - bot NOT for believing in heliocentrism.

As for Galileo - his troubles had very LITTLE to do with his heliocentric beliefs - and more to do with rebellion and mockery.

You wanna have a serious discussion about history?
Do your homework, sparky . . .

brakelite said:

Mmm. Tell that to the many Vietnam vets who still don't know why they went there. But the Vatican knows huh.

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Fighting communism is ALWAYS the right thing to do.
Other than Abortion - NOTHING has killed more people in the 20th century than Communism.

If corrupt U.S. politicians hadn't prolonged the war for their personal gains - this never would have been a problem.

BreadOfLife said:

I never said that. I said that He was MANIFESTED in a human body.
God ALSO was manifest as a ROCK (1 Cor. 10:4). If He wanted to be manifested as an aardvark - that is HIS prerogative - NOT yours.

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i agree, the Most High can do whatever He wills, but IMO He does no contradict Himself. when He says He is not a man, to me that means He is not a man. and i dont think there is a backdoor(manifest as a man) loophole around it.

God is SPIRIT, as I showed you (John 2:24). YOUR problem is that. in your arrogance - you limit God's abilities and powers.

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i think the problem is i put the words of the Most High, He is not a man, over your doctrine of man, the Most High is a man when He says He is not.

Don't be so quick to put God in a box made of your own limitations . . .

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ironic being as thats exactly what the trinity does. i have not defined the Most High as anything. i believe the Most High is not a man because the Most High says He is not a man.

Then, why don't YOU explain why God is described in Gen. 1:26 in plural terms such as "US" and "OUR"??
I would LOVE to hear YOUR explanation.

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how do you know the Most High is not talking to the Sons of the Most High that we know were in heaven at this time of creation?

By giving you over FIVE DOZEN verses about the Trinity - I was showing you a Biblical CONTEXT. All YOU have done here is cherry-pick one verse - then refuse to show it in context with the other FIVE DOZEN or so verses I presented. Context is NOT your friend.

The bottom line here is that you won't go through all of the other verses - because you CAN'T . . .

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i went through one, pointed out the errors, and you have no response. sho me in the bible where "US" is defined as trinity and not more than one. it doesnt, your inputting an assumption, thats not how you read scripture.

BreadOfLife said:

Soooooooi, you couldn't find a Biblical doctein so you made one up - is that

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it??
umm no there were actually hundreds of thousands of natives kiled in the US. do you deny the holocaust as well?
Discovery doctrine - Wikipedia

Giordan Bruno being executed for "science" is a work of anti-Catholic fiction.
He was executed by the secular authorities for MANY things - bot NOT for believing in heliocentrism.

As for Galileo - his troubles had very LITTLE to do with his heliocentric beliefs - and more to do with rebellion and mockery.

You wanna have a serious discussion about history?
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so just so im understanding, both guys are teaching the same thing, same time, put on trial same time, and your saying there is no connection? lol ok
they always pile up as many heresies as possible to justify the murder for the masses or the people wouldnt put up with it.

one guy was murdered, the other guy gets set free and the one that gets set free just happened to be supported by one of the wealthiest families in europe that just so happen to loan money to the vatican and also have their own family members in cardinal positions. yeah im sure there was nothing bias at that trial.

i love history, here is a fun history fact about the Medici family, unlike other wealthy families, the Medici family actually gave most of their wealth to the people of Florence, help kickstart the Italian renaissance, they would even meet the common people face to face each morning. then later on they got involved in the Vatican, bought some cardinal positions, and eventually the Pope seat and after that they didnt seem to give to the people any more, matter of fact they kinda just turned into another wealthy corrupt family that exploited the common people. strange that it was not until after they got mixed up with the Vatican they became so corrupt.
and its hard to mention the Medici family with out Leo 10th, wow, where does one even begin with that guy.

JohnPaul said:

America was anti-Cathoilic at the time, it was and is a Protestant nation, how was the Catholic Church to blame?

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i never said it was

You need to move on, don't be like the blacks who are still moaning and groaning about slavery and trying to get reparations when that was a few hundred years ago, most are on some kind of government assistance anyway, don't be like them.

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your right, things like thiss hould be swept under the rug and ignored rather than trying to learn from them and not make sure it never happens again, but it will happen again which is why its always ignored.

most are on some kind of government assistance anyway

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wow! maybe those dumb blacks should just go back to Africa, ohh my mistake as they cant, every single thing in Africa of any economic value is owned by anglo-america for the last 500 plus years, duhh

jaybird said:

i never said it was


your right, things like thiss hould be swept under the rug and ignored rather than trying to learn from them and not make sure it never happens again, but it will happen again which is why its always ignored.


wow! maybe those dumb blacks should just go back to Africa, ohh my mistake as they cant, every single thing in Africa of any economic value is owned by anglo-america for the last 500 plus years, duhh

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Yawn, I've heard it all before.

jaybird said:

i agree, the Most High can do whatever He wills, but IMO He does no contradict Himself. when He says He is not a man, to me that means He is not a man. and i dont think there is a backdoor(manifest as a man) loophole around it.
i think the problem is i put the words of the Most High, He is not a man, over your doctrine of man, the Most High is a man when He says He is not.
ironic being as thats exactly what the trinity does. i have not defined the Most High as anything. i believe the Most High is not a man because the Most High says He is not a man.

how do you know the Most High is not talking to the Sons of the Most High that we know were in heaven at this time of creation?

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This is a silly argument.

The Word of God - the Scriptures - call Jesus "God" (John 1:1).
Jesus calls Himself "Son of Man". YOU reject this because you have no faith in the Word of God - and therein lies your problem.

jaybird said:

i went through one, pointed out the errors, and you have no response. sho me in the bible where "US" is defined as trinity and not more than one. it doesnt, your inputting an assumption, thats not how you read scripture.

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And once again - you fail to understand CONTEXT.

I gave you some 64 verses stating the :
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

So far - all YOU have done is rip one of those 64 verses out of context to make your point. It doesn't work that way -- and THIS is at the root of your confusion about Scripture. By the way - you NEVER explained who the "US" is in Gen. 1:26 . . .

jaybird said:

it??
umm no there were actually hundreds of thousands of natives kiled in the US. do you deny the holocaust as well?
Discovery doctrine - Wikipedia

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_doctrine
PLEASE tell me you're joking.
Are you really this dense - that you cannot discern a Biblical doctrine from a purely political one??

There is NO SUCH Biblical doctrine as "Discovery Doctrine". This is a American political ideology - like the Monroe Doctrine.
Those are NOT the same as BIBLICAL doctrines.

How old are you?? It's sad that you don't understand the difference . . .

jaybird said:

so just so im understanding, both guys are teaching the same thing, same time, put on trial same time, and your saying there is no connection? lol ok
they always pile up as many heresies as possible to justify the murder for the masses or the people wouldnt put up with it.

one guy was murdered, the other guy gets set free and the one that gets set free just happened to be supported by one of the wealthiest families in europe that just so happen to loan money to the vatican and also have their own family members in cardinal positions. yeah im sure there was nothing bias at that trial.

i love history, here is a fun history fact about the Medici family, unlike other wealthy families, the Medici family actually gave most of their wealth to the people of Florence, help kickstart the Italian renaissance, they would even meet the common people face to face each morning. then later on they got involved in the Vatican, bought some cardinal positions, and eventually the Pope seat and after that they didnt seem to give to the people any more, matter of fact they kinda just turned into another wealthy corrupt family that exploited the common people. strange that it was not until after they got mixed up with the Vatican they became so corrupt.
and its hard to mention the Medici family with out Leo 10th, wow, where does one even begin with that guy.

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In the cases of Bruno and Galileo - the fact that both guys espoused heliocentrism during the same period - and only ONE of them was executed should have been your FIRST clue.
This shows ANYBODY with the intellect of an artichoke that their cases really had nothing in common.

You don't love history.
You pnly love YOUR perverted view of it . . .[/QUOTE]