Does Your Church Use Catechism?
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I would be if there was another one within 50 miles of us. But a 100+ mile round-trip is a bit much. The one we were attending went to the dogs, and became a "Loosie-Goosy, Anything-Goes" place that almost seemed to forget about God.
Tell me: when you arrive at (metaphorically speaking) St Peter & the pearly gates, does he hand you a scantron test and admit you based on your head's ability to get a passing score?
Or is salvation based upon one's heart accepting Christ and following Him?
Theology is super important, but it's NOT what saves a person.
looks like more info is going to be needed on Lds. lots of cloudiness ,i work with a guy who joined there are degrees of works
I find that often Protestant Christians misunderstand LDS Christian theology in this way. Both groups outwardly reject the idea of "cheap grace" (that you can shallowly say "yeah I believe" and then be ok continuing your exact same sin-loving ways), but Protestants don't understand that LDS Christians mean it. Things done for God our out of love, not out of trying to "earn" salvation.
( That's not saying that Protestant don't mean it either).
this is why you post as much info there is only 2 things i know of certainty on Lds the joseph smith book and death baptism. i will reject smith and death baptism. i need more info .
there is no such thing as cheap Grace. Grace came at a very high cost
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Haha! Well it may not in the circles you choose to move in...but it does in mine...more than once... It may have not 'actually' have happened as he said, but it sure does 'happen'. Our God is a supernatural God.
"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with just a argument"
Cessationism is a god in their own image.
Be blessed bro.
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"Cheap grace" is a heretical idea that it's ok for a person can just shallowly say "yes I believe" and then treat it cheaply: having no real change of heart, nothing altering in their life, and just continuing about their exact same-old sinful ways. It is completely heretical idea.
Along with vast majority of other Christians, LDS Christians believe that Christ's atonement is huge and have a transformative impact in our lives. We are saved by faith. Real living faith results in change: yes, I am changed by my faith in Christ. Because of that faith, I should repent of my sins and strive to avoid these things in the future. Because of that faith, I should strive to love the Lord and love my neighbor, repenting when I mess up. This entire transformation, from messy start to glorious finish is powered by God & Christ's atonement.
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Long years after I was out of the Catholic Church I looked as you did at what was taught and compared it where I could with the scriptures. In very many cases I found an openness and an honesty and full explanations of why they do according to the scriptures. This was good.
I have, however, myself, in my own experience found something better in that which God is writing on my heart. It includes scripture but goes beyond it. This is not adding to... , but rather explaining more fully from time to time what God means when it is "written" also with ink on paper pages.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
yes. I understand
We need to go where we find God.
I can’t say the Catholic Church is perfect
It is the right place for me
I am grateful that I was introduced to God in a Protestant environment
It was a nurturing place and God healed me through others
I can’t say I have found a similar experience within Catholicism
Yet, the history and prayer life are why I stay
Brother, no matter what any of the people here on this forum may say or insinuate, we can be certain that not one of them has the whole picture with 100% clarity. The clarity, where it does exist, on any point is in the hearts of people who are, or are to be parts of the Body of Christ. I believe that that 100% is available, but usually it is found within several people. The one person who has it all may exist, but until we also have it all, how can we definitely recognize them?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I agree. Relationships cannot be quantified - especially our relationship with God
When my neighbors witnessed to me starting 1974 by their lives, I had no experience at all with the things of God except what I recalled from my Catholic days. I had never owned or read a Bible. It was the fruit of the Spirit that attracted me, but I had not idea at time that there was such a thing... at least not so named. They never pressed us to do anything, but they always responded to questions which I seldom asked at the time. We lived in an apartment under them less than a year. In 1976 it was through their witness already long time past that my wife and I received God's call to us in the midst of our failing marriage and turmoil. Because of the witness, without knowing the Bible or anything of their church affiliation or doctrine, we came to God. Our walk with God and our marriage continue to this day...
We don't leave someone in ignorance who expresses a desire to change their situation. Jesus did not knock on his neighbor's door. They all came to him. They were drawn by the Father, even as my wife and I were drawn by the Light we observed in our neighbors. Keep the Light shining always, but don't push. Let God do that. We simply are to be available when He decides He wants to use us. His choice of when, where and why... not mine. Not my will, but Thine!
And if @Jane_Doe22 did not have the correct answer, according to you or @Enoch111 would that mean she had no connection with the Real Jesus?
When I attended that little church back in 1976 and met Jesus I could not have answered any question about the scriptural basis for what happened to me. Does that mean that the Jesus I met was the wrong one?
So then back to her question: Do we need to be a theologian do be saved?
Absolutely not! So why the examination by men which effectively questions her beliefs because of her affiliation. I may not agree with all Catholic or LDS or SDA doctrine, but I do believe that within each and every one of the three groups there are people who do know the real Jesus. He is not hiding from hungry hearts!
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Jesus said that there would be many who will expect to receive a welcome because they "believed in Jesus", and He will tell them, I never knew you. So who was the Jesus they believed in? Who are the false Christs that deceive so many people, those crowding the wide road to destruction? How do I know I have the true Christ... How do you know... How does anyone know that the Christ they are trusting in, the Christ they believe is the one that has led them thus far to their various churches, home groups, denominations, sects or whatever, is the same Jesus who now mediates on your behalf on heaven, perhaps desperately trying to get through to them regarding the right way, but they aren't listening, because their ears are tuned to another? How do we know?
It's knwoing and having a relationship with, not a scantron.
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Goodness boy, don't you ever sleep...isn't it 'the wee hours' for you over there?
Or have you just got up?
If so, then you were on here half the night LOL
Go take a nap now
I agree with the many here that there are genuine Christians in every denomination. Including Catholic, LDS, and even my own. But there is a time coming, and I believe that time is upon us, that judgement begins in the house of God. All of us are going to be tested. It will not be a theology test... It will be a test of obedience.
Soon, the whole world will wonder after the beast. All the world's denominations and religions, Christian or otherwise, will join Babylon believing she is the true church of the last days. The harlot daughters will rejoin mother along with numerous others, and through compromise and a desire for unity will unite under a false premise that such is God's will. Ecumenism will test everyone. The global union of church and state will in the end coerce everybody to join her ranks or suffer the consequences. That call, "come out of her My people", is for today, because spiritual Babylon is the direction your church is heading. You may not think so. But by accepting the same man made doctrines that circumvent God's commandments, you and your church have already made that accommodation and compromise. It will be but a little step later to sign along the dotted line, accept the man in Rome as your authority figure in all things, and begin to persecute dissenters. That my friends is the theme of the last days, and you all will have to face that test. It seems easy and simple now to say, nah, not me. But when the nation's armies are knocking at your door... When the government institutions are turning you away... When your own church is disfellowshiping you... When your own families are disowning you.... Your electricity and gas cut off...a small remnant of dissenters will appear to be a very easy target and a scapegoat for the world's ills.
Soon, the whole world will wonder after the beast. All the world's denominations and religions, Christian or otherwise, will join Babylon believing she is the true church of the last days. The harlot daughters will rejoin mother along with numerous others, and through compromise and a desire for unity will unite under a false premise that such is God's will. Ecumenism will test everyone. The global union of church and state will in the end coerce everybody to join her ranks or suffer the consequences. That call, "come out of her My people", is for today, because spiritual Babylon is the direction your church is heading. You may not think so. But by accepting the same man made doctrines that circumvent God's commandments, you and your church have already made that accommodation and compromise. It will be but a little step later to sign along the dotted line, accept the man in Rome as your authority figure in all things, and begin to persecute dissenters. That my friends is the theme of the last days, and you all will have to face that test. It seems easy and simple now to say, nah, not me. But when the nation's armies are knocking at your door... When the government institutions are turning you away... When your own church is disfellowshiping you... When your own families are disowning you.... Your electricity and gas cut off...a small remnant of dissenters will appear to be a very easy target and a scapegoat for the world's ills.
