Why is the bible so murky and confusing?

Episkopos · Sep 4, 2020

Enoch111 said:
The Bible is called the Sword of the Spirit, and the Word of God. But it is also called "a two-edged sword". Which means that it cuts two ways:

1. For those who humble themselves before God and believe Him ---> it opens up spiritual truths like a scalpel wielded by a surgeon.

2. For those who seek to oppose God and refuse to believe Him ----> it cuts them off from further light and blinds them to God's truth.

Yes...and this works for believers who seek to control their own walks by leaning on their own understanding. Cut off from..."further light"...

Matthew 23:37

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

The killings and stonings today are in the hearts of the enemies of the cross...who lean on their own apprehension of dogmatic ideologies and have no love in them.

K9Buck · Sep 4, 2020

Pearl said:
Perhaps you are reading it without the Holy Spirit's guidance which brings clarity,

Probably.

K9Buck · Sep 4, 2020

Prayer Warrior said:
The Bible is God's Book written to and for His people. Those who think it's so "convoluted" are perhaps NOT His people!

Wow. How nasty and hateful of you.

Prayer Warrior · Sep 4, 2020

bbyrd009 · Sep 4, 2020

K9Buck said:
Probably.

ok i guess we have two naive thinkers...

bbyrd009 · Sep 4, 2020

marks said:
Take for example the creation story. How many don't believe it happened that way? Doesn't that convolute things?

Much love!

how many dont believe it happened which way?

Davy · Sep 4, 2020

K9Buck said:
The ten commandments is straightforward. Many of Jesus' commands are too. But much of it is very convoluted, as evidenced by the debates here on interpretations.

Why did God make it this way?

God's Word is written in simplicity really, it's just that only He can open it up to our understanding.

People who think they can just open The Bible up and read it like a novel will not understand the majority of it. That attitude is clearly shown by those who still reject Him and His Son. So why should God allow a non-believer to have his/her eyes opened to His Truth? They will remain in spiritual darkness lest they have Faith on Jesus Christ as God's Promised Savior.

It cannot be certain that everyone that comes to a Christian forum is an actual Christian. By their fruits Jesus said we'd know them. So when someone comes here to mock God's Word by butchering it, or fighting against what it says, then there's a strong clue of the evil basket of figs.

In order to discern those who's main purpose is to start arguments against God's written Word, one must first of all be familiar with God's Word. A new babe in Christ needs to study and have experience to have that discernment. Until then, they should always verify in God's written Word for their self, and rely on God Himself for understanding.

Christ's Apostles warned the Church about false prophets and those who fall away having itching ears for men's doctrines, especially for the very end of this world. It's actually a surprise there aren't even more... arguments and debates than there are.

K9Buck · Sep 4, 2020

Davy said:
God's Word is written in simplicity really, it's just that only He can open it up to our understanding.

People who think they can just open The Bible up and read it like a novel will not understand the majority of it. That attitude is clearly shown by those who still reject Him and His Son. So why should God allow a non-believer to have his/her eyes opened to His Truth? They will remain in spiritual darkness lest they have Faith on Jesus Christ as God's Promised Savior.

It cannot be certain that everyone that comes to a Christian forum is an actual Christian. By their fruits Jesus said we'd know them. So when someone comes here to mock God's Word by butchering it, or fighting against what it says, then there's a strong clue of the evil basket of figs.

In order to discern those who's main purpose is to start arguments against God's written Word, one must first of all be familiar with God's Word. A new babe in Christ needs to study and have experience to have that discernment. Until then, they should always verify in God's written Word for their self, and rely on God Himself for understanding.

Christ's Apostles warned the Church about false prophets and those who fall away having itching ears for men's doctrines, especially for the very end of this world. It's actually a surprise there aren't even more... arguments and debates than there are.

I have been a strong believer and advocate for Christ all of my life, although I am not well versed on the bible. It seems that I have failed your judgment.

This community certainly has a lot of pompous bigots. Let's add "Davey" to the "ignore" list with his equally bigoted comrade "prayer warrior".

JohnDB · Sep 4, 2020

K9Buck said:
I have been a strong believer and advocate for Christ all of my life, although I am not well versed on the bible

Look,
There's no end of people who have their heads in the clouds pondering upon their most recent Bible study into various insights....

I was well on my way to being one getting all caught up in proving others wrong and myself right...

But...I realized how worthless I was. God needs people to be and do and not spend an eternity thinking about the right thing to do but to actually go out and do.

See... you have beaten many people to the punch already!

Including me.

K9Buck · Sep 4, 2020

JohnDB said:
Look,
There's no end of people who have their heads in the clouds pondering upon their most recent Bible study into various insights....

I was well on my way to being one getting all caught up in proving others wrong and myself right...

But...I realized how worthless I was. God needs people to be and do and not spend an eternity thinking about the right thing to do but to actually go out and do.

See... you have beaten many people to the punch already!

Including me.

Thanks. The thing is, I've never based my belief in Christ on the bible. I've always had faith and everything that I have seen throughout my life has only confirmed my faith.

I recently began discovering different biblical verses that I felt meshed well with my own impressions of the world. Still, there is much that I don't understand and that's why I came here. I did express an unpopular opinion regarding the legality of same-sex marriage, which undoubtedly turned some Christians here against me.

JohnDB · Sep 4, 2020

K9Buck said:
Thanks. The thing is, I've never based my belief in Christ on the bible. I've always had faith and everything that I have seen throughout my life has only confirmed my faith.

I recently began discovering different biblical verses that I felt meshed well with my own impressions of the world. Still, there is much that I don't understand and that's why I came here. I did express an unpopular opinion regarding the legality of same-sex marriage, which undoubtedly turned some Christians here against me.

Well see...
That's why it's good to actually ground yourself with some sort of Bible Teaching. Because it's very easy to get caught up in what's popular versus what's really true. Even if people make fine sounding arguments that seem to be the truth.

On that one issue I will have an opinion that is probably not the same as yours. I have reasons based in scripture and of knowledge of how our Government is supposed to work. And the scriptures have once again proven themselves to be true again in the 40 years of watching this play out. (I had no doubt)

Not one based on emotions and hysteria or fear. Some subjects just get people foaming at the mouth.

And it isn't a horrible idea to come to forums and find answers... just don't be surprised if you kick over a hornets nest when you do.

Prayer Warrior · Sep 4, 2020

amadeus · Sep 4, 2020

K9Buck said:
The ten commandments is straightforward. Many of Jesus' commands are too. But much of it is very convoluted, as evidenced by the debates here on interpretations.

Why did God make it this way?

Too many people following their own minds using their own logic instead of seeking and following Him? Where is the Holy Spirit in those who continuously debate to win instead of discussing to learn?

amadeus · Sep 4, 2020

marks said:
I think it's much more straightforward than many make it out to be.

Much love!

Yes, straight forward after the Holy Spirit! Without the Spirit to lead us what do we have?

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 4, 2020

K9Buck said:
The ten commandments is straightforward. Many of Jesus' commands are too. But much of it is very convoluted, as evidenced by the debates here on interpretations.

Why did God make it this way?

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

then it is not that complex at all it is just it is beyond our understanding

because if you believe the opposite you should also believe that the spirits of those who died are still on earth

you can't just get just one verse and another just to support whatever you wanted to believe just to support what you believe in

what you need to do is to deny yourself and believe in every word of God

basically the bible is not that simply but i did not say it is complex

the word of God is not just literal meaning but also spiritual they say you need to ask for the hs to guide you the word of God said ask and it shall be given seek and you shall find knock and it shall be opened

if we do not understand something then the father in heaven has not shown it to us yet the true meaning of it

because when i am reading the same verse but different time the meaning of the verse differs was like i have a split personality

the word of God also said if you pray you should believe that you already recieved it believe that he is God and i will say because if you do not your prayers will be in vain

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 4, 2020

and because of us it became more confusing because of the creatures who make different doctrines who make different beliefs who make different religion because of us

we are the cause of confusion

kcnalp · Sep 4, 2020

K9Buck said:
The ten commandments is straightforward. Many of Jesus' commands are too. But much of it is very convoluted, as evidenced by the debates here on interpretations.

Why did God make it this way?

God is going to straighten it all out very soon.

Luke 21 This generation will not pass away until ALL THINGS are fulfilled.

FollowHim · Sep 5, 2020

K9Buck said:
The ten commandments is straightforward. Many of Jesus' commands are too. But much of it is very convoluted, as evidenced by the debates here on interpretations.

Why did God make it this way?

A good question and the answer is change.
We need to change and walk to find the truth and grow and develop our communion with God.
Each step is just that, the next step along the way. You cannot jump any steps, but as you walk you change and so your perspective moves, and what was covered is now clear, what was impossible is now just the next step.

A light house shines in the dark, can be seen from far off. It is only a distant glow at first, but as you draw closer things become clearer. But ignore the light and wonder off, and all is lost.

The interplay between our hearts, others and the Lord is vast and complex, yet also simple and straightforward.
Our confusion is sin and impurity in our hearts, which when cleared makes things much more straight forward.

God does not change in our walk, but we do. Like a baby cannot speak, walk, run, build things, interact much but we do not doubt that in time all these things will become possible. God bless you

marksman · Sep 5, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
ha ya no kidding lol; how i ever got onto that is beyond me. But near as i can tell it is the opposite of "Satan's Dialectic," or the way we speak in the West. "Hegelian dialectic" also has something to do with it; we employ the Hegelian dialectic in our "discussions," whereas the Tao employs the Naive dialectic.

Ive gotten where i can recognize it and copy it a little, but thinking in it is a whole diff level i guess, and really im strictly faking it and likely always will be, having been born and raised with Hegelian thought, "this is that, that is this, you should do this, i shouldnt do that" etc, the way we speak and think?

so anyway, that should give you some decent phrases to search, and i guess google can tell you more, but suffice it to say that the way we are raised to reason is not the only way, and generally...no, strictly speaking i guess, as ppl mature they move from hegelian to naive, not finding any exceptions there hmm

I will take your word for it. I m reading a book at the moment "Understanding the Times" and the authors go into marxism; modernism; post modernism; secularism; islam; christianity and old uncle Tom Cobley and all. Talk about brain drain. My head is in a right spin. How people believe some of the rubbish they believe is beyond my comprehesion.

K9Buck · Sep 5, 2020

JohnDB said:
Well see...
That's why it's good to actually ground yourself with some sort of Bible Teaching. Because it's very easy to get caught up in what's popular versus what's really true. Even if people make fine sounding arguments that seem to be the truth.

On that one issue I will have an opinion that is probably not the same as yours. I have reasons based in scripture and of knowledge of how our Government is supposed to work. And the scriptures have once again proven themselves to be true again in the 40 years of watching this play out. (I had no doubt)

Not one based on emotions and hysteria or fear. Some subjects just get people foaming at the mouth.

And it isn't a horrible idea to come to forums and find answers... just don't be surprised if you kick over a hornets nest when you do.

I'm not afraid to be wrong. In fact, I'm wrong all the time, according to my wife.

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