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  1. Madad21

    Madad21 Boast in Christ

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    Sorry not butting in, but check out Job 1:6 "Sons of God" in other translations its "The Angels" you may have a the latter translations.
  2. Floyd

    Floyd Active Member

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    Hi Madad; the notes in the Companion Bible state "angels" for Gen.6:4; these are produced by Dr.Ginsburg and Dr. Bullinger; see: Dr. David Ginsburg:
    Dr. E. W. Bullinger ; see also App.23,25,26 at the back of that Bible.

    Companion Bible is KJV, 1611; corrected by these two eminent men; but leaving the 1611 text unaltered.

    This work is acknowledged worldwide as authoritative in its academic integrity; and is almost unchallenged by any other academic grouping.

    What is challenged is the "Dispensational" comment and opinion; to which I personally agree!

  3. Madad21

    Madad21 Boast in Christ

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    No worries mate
  4. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shabbat shalom, Floyd.

    Jude 5-7
    5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home — these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    So, tell me: How does THIS verse support ANYTHING that you are saying?!

    And, Genesis 6:1-4 is the part of God's Word that is in question! You can't use the same verses you are trying to prove something about as though they could be used to support your argument! That's called "circular reasoning," and it's a logical fallacy!
  5. Floyd

    Floyd Active Member

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    Hello Retro;
    I do see your argument I assure you; but I have decided at present to hold to this view.
    The fact of giants emerging from "Nephilim" ; resultant from "sons of God" is a Scriptural stated fact.
    The only question is whether the "sons" were angels.
    As you would have seen from the Text submitted; that point is discussed.
    The best research That I have done has not eased the point; and from others comments, the doubt remains.
    The other "fact" which is of major import, is that the purpose of the Nephilim, was to contaminate the Adamic seed; to try to sully the prophecy of Gen.3:15; regarding its fulfilment with Mary; and our Lord's birth.
    Regards, Floyd.
  6. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shabbat shalom, Madad21.

    Hmmph! NO English translation is INSPIRED OF GOD! They are ALL works of men! Again, Job 1:6 is an EXAMPLE of a particular interpretation of a verse! Let's look at it closely:

    Job 1:5-7
    5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
    6 Now there was a day when the sons of God (Hebrew: bneey haa-Elohiym) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
    7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

    Why would "ministering spirits and flames of fire" need "to present themselves before the LORD?" Did it ever occur to you to look up the meaning of "to present themselves?" The Hebrew word is "lhityatseev" and it mean "to place; to set; to stand; to offer." Here are some of the instances of this word being used:
    Exodus 19:16-20
    16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
    17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
    18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
    19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
    20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.

    Numbers 11:16-17
    16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee.
    17 And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

    Deuteronomy 31:14-15
    14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.
    15 And the LORD appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud: and the pillar of the cloud stood over the door of the tabernacle.

    Joshua 24:1-24
    1 And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God.
    2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
    3 And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.
    4 And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau: and I gave unto Esau mount Seir, to possess it; but Jacob and his children went down into Egypt.
    5 I sent Moses also and Aaron, and I plagued Egypt, according to that which I did among them: and afterward I brought you out.
    6 And I brought your fathers out of Egypt: and ye came unto the sea; and the Egyptians pursued after your fathers with chariots and horsemen unto the Red sea.
    7 And when they cried unto the LORD, he put darkness between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea upon them, and covered them; and your eyes have seen what I have done in Egypt: and ye dwelt in the wilderness a long season.
    8 And I brought you into the land of the Amorites, which dwelt on the other side Jordan; and they fought with you: and I gave them into your hand, that ye might possess their land; and I destroyed them from before you.
    9 Then Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, arose and warred against Israel, and sent and called Balaam the son of Beor to curse you:
    10 But I would not hearken unto Balaam; therefore he blessed you still: so I delivered you out of his hand.
    11 And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the men of Jericho fought against you, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; and I delivered them into your hand.
    12 And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow.
    13 And I have given you a land for which ye did not labour, and cities which ye built not, and ye dwell in them; of the vineyards and oliveyards which ye planted not do ye eat.
    14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
    15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
    16 And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods;
    17 For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:
    18 And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God.
    19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
    20 If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
    21 And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.
    22 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses.
    23 Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.
    24 And the people said unto Joshua, The LORD our God will we serve, and his voice will we obey.

    1 Samuel 10:17-25
    17 And Samuel called the people together unto the LORD to Mizpeh;
    18 And said unto the children of Israel, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I brought up Israel out of Egypt, and delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of all kingdoms, and of them that oppressed you:
    19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.
    20 And when Samuel had caused all the tribes of Israel to come near, the tribe of Benjamin was taken.
    21 When he had caused the tribe of Benjamin to come near by their families, the family of Matri was taken, and Saul the son of Kish was taken: and when they sought him, he could not be found.
    22 Therefore they inquired of the LORD further, if the man should yet come thither. And the LORD answered, Behold, he hath hid himself among the stuff.
    23 And they ran and fetched him thence: and when he stood among the people, he was higher than any of the people from his shoulders and upward.
    24 And Samuel said to all the people, See ye him whom the LORD hath chosen, that there is none like him among all the people? And all the people shouted, and said, God save the king.
    25 Then Samuel told the people the manner of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it up before the LORD. And Samuel sent all the people away, every man to his house.

    Thus, in the Scriptures, time and time again they were PEOPLE - HUMAN BEINGS - who "stood before YHWH" or "presented themselves before YHWH!" So, why should Job 1:6 be any different?!

    Just as in the NT there is a Greek word that is often translated "angel," the word "aggelos," so in the OT there is a Hebrew word that is often translated as "angel." It's "mal'aakh," spelled meim-lamed-alef-khaf. And, just like the word "aggelos," the word "mal'aakh" has the primary meaning of "MESSENGER!" Did you know that this OT Hebrew word is used several times in the book of Job? Did you know that it is ONLY ONCE possibly used as "angels" but it's more often used as a "HUMAN messenger"? It is found in the following verses:

    Job 1:14; 4:18; and 33:23.

    Job 1:14-15
    14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
    15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

    Job 4:15-19
    15 Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up:
    16 It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying,
    17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
    18 Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:
    19 How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?

    Job 33:14-28
    14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
    15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
    16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
    17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
    18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.
    19 He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain:
    20 So that his life abhorreth bread, and his soul dainty meat.
    21 His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.
    22 Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.
    23 If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness:
    24 Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.
    25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:
    26 He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness.
    27 He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
    28 He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.

    So, a BETTER interpretation of Job 1:6 is that haSatan came among HUMAN sons of God who had come to present themselves with sacrifices to God! What better way of haSatan who had been "going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" to come to the LORD? He would find Him easiest among those who were sacrificing to Him!
  7. Madad21

    Madad21 Boast in Christ

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    Thanks for the info bro I appreciate it.

    But dont tell me that my Bible isnt inspired, God speaks to me through my faulty NIV translation, when I pray and inquire of Gods wisdom he brings scriptures to mind that I have read in that Bible.

    The words may belong to men, but its the Spirit that teaches us.
    Blessed are the meek, means blessed are the meek in any language.

    If God uses my Bible as his voice, then doesnt that make it Gods word?

    Tell these guys their Bibles are uninspired


    Factory workers in Communist China receive their uninspired bibles.
    Its against the law for Christians to meet together in this country.
    never mind own a bible.

    Thanks for your help.
  8. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shalom, Madad21.

    Do you want them to hear what tickles the ears or do you want them to KNOW THE TRUTH?! God can use ANY version of the Bible to get His message across and use it to justify individuals through the exchanging places that is found in 2 Corinthians 5:21; however, these writings were MADE BY MEN! The translators, if they're honest, will even admit that they are fallible men who can still make mistakes!

    The Word of God as it was written in the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS of the original languages, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were indeed INSPIRED OF GOD! However, the COPIES which we have today have NO SUCH GUARANTEE OF INFALLIBILITY!

    However, just as the translators do the best they can and TRUST God to bless their work and use it as He sees fit, so we, too, as recipients of those translation efforts must TRUST God to give us the correct meaning of the text, IN SPITE of the fallibility of human beings!

    But, if we're honest, errors can be found in ANY transmission of information performed by human beings. I'm not saying that the Bible is not inspired; I'm saying that the COPYING EFFORT is not inspired!

    In a practical sense and to use your analogy, what if the recipient language of the translation process doesn't have a word meaning "meek?" What if the closest thing they have is the word "soft?" Can you see how "soft-spoken" might be similar to "meek," but that the two are not exactly the same?

    Even the noble King James Version that's been around for over 400 years has "testament" for the word "covenant" in some places, but the two words are NOT synonymous!

    For the more general things (seeing the forest instead of the trees), most translations are good enough to convey the intent of God's Word, but if one wants to go deeper (seeing the trees more than just the forest), every translation frankly must be suspect!

    That's all I'm saying.
  9. Madad21

    Madad21 Boast in Christ

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    Thanks for the lesson, i actually study the Greek and read it that way, I find it more accurate that way.
    however you were saying that these modern trans are uninspired, which is complete bull,
    Is God tickling our ears when we meet him in the word?
    Does the Spirit teach us using it?
    too many scholar know it alls tearing down another mans faith because they think that by their books and words they know the truth.
    I can articulate my message in a paragraph, I dont need to fill the screen to prove by my intellect what the Spirit has given me for free.
    if you love to study like me then good on ya but dont go telling others their Bibles are uninspired, all wisdom and discerning comes from God, your translation is inconsequential.

    Far from meek bro

  10. Floyd

    Floyd Active Member

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    [SIZE=28pt]Corruption of the Bible Text.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Most Bible students know that, in its original conception, the Bible is from the Mind of Almighty God. The corruptions now apparent in all translations can be "normalized," by a process of examination against the manuscripts, many of which are held in the British Museum. The two major groupings are the "Major and Minor Greek" texts. Many Greek and Hebrew scholars have already undertaken that work, and one of the highly regarded is Dr. E. W. Bullinger, whose work produced the Companion Bible.[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt] He, as a Greek and Hebrew scholar, in cooperation with Dr. David Ginsburg who provided Old Testament notes, worked scrupulously with the extant manuscripts, producing a very scholarly and trustworthy revision called the Companion Bible. He was a confidant and friend of [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Dr. David Ginsburg,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] the well-known Jewish Bible scholar, and was trusted by Dr. Ginsburg with his work, which he used in the Old Testament examinations. This magnificent work, is regarded highly around the world, due to its fidelity to scrupulous scholarship and objectivity, and still stands up to any academic examination or criticism thus far.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]The Authorised AD 1611 text is untouched in the Companion Bible, as it was translated from the "Major Greek" manuscripts, and has been confirmed by the Qumran Scrolls from Cave 4; and therefore has less additions and errors, where as the "Minor Greek" has at least 5000 alterations. A wide margin is used for all comments on errors, omissions, additions, and explanations, relative to manuscripts and other "authorities." One of these is the Pshitta, see[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Ancient Aramaic Manuscripts, Pshitta O and A:[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt] Although there have been many more ancient documents found since his death, especially in the 20th century, they have not disagreed with his work in anything but small detail, the Companion Bible's fidelity to God's message to mankind, remains intact. Dr. Bullinger's great emphasis was that the Word must be taken as written, and not "spiritualised!" For example; many, if not most "churches" today teach that Israel is cast away for ever, and that "the new Israel is the church!" See: [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Replacement Theology[/SIZE].[SIZE=14pt] This great error means that all reading of Scripture with this mind-set is perverted, and interpretations are wrong, with the consequence of much turmoil in the lives of Christians; as what they read or are taught regarding Israel they apply to themselves, including the tribulations and blessings predicted for Israel.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]He also undertook a complete revision of the Vulgate, and spotted the major translation errors that the Roman Church had included via Jerome, to give supremacy to them, and to attribute to Mary the defeat of Satan, instead of Christ (Gen. 3:15!) These are noted in the Companion Bible, as they arise.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Another major example of misconstruence / misunderstanding of Bible text, is that of Martin Luther, who in his interpretation of our Lord's words in Matt. 3:7, lumped all the people of Israel together with those of the Scribes and Pharisees! He went on to say:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7.] Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon" [Matt 11:18.] Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers;" furthermore in [John 8:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil". It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies).[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]In that error, the great Martin Luther fuelled the seedbed that fed anti-Semitism, and it was eventually adopted by Adolph Hitler for the purpose of mass extermination of the Jews! The great service he rendered to mankind in freeing the populace from the bondage of the Roman Church, and their many corruptions ( [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Why the Roman Catholic church is not of God Almighty: [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]including indulgencies, is undoubtedly overshadowed by his anti-Semitism.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]Our Lord's words were for the ears and minds of the corrupt Ruling elite, as had they accepted Him as Messiah, the people would have followed! Jesus called them a "brood of Vipers," not just snakes, but the most deadly "Vipers!"[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Under the re-establishment of Israel by Ezra and Nehemiah after the Babylonian exile, purity of adherence to The Word was stated as paramount. To enforce the point Ezra insisted that the Word be read publicly for many hours in the streets of Jerusalem, even when it rained. However, over the following years to when Our Lord was born, the Scribes and Pharisees produced their own "holy writings," which are often referred to as the "Wisdom writings," see [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]([/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Jewish Scriptures: [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt])[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]The Rulers of Israel demanded / demand that these are adhered to, and that they take precedence over the God given text! It is this great error that our Lord railed against, when He addressed the Jews during His earthly Ministry![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]John the Baptist, Jesus and the Apostle Paul berated the Jewish Hierarchy of the day for adhering to the Pharisaic teachings, instead of the Originals given to Moses, known as "Biblical Judaism." It is recorded and well known by the Jews, that the Pharisees in particular were "very flexible" in their interpretations of Torah, and this is confirmed by the Qumran Scrolls, produced by the Essens. The conflict between the two Groups over the veracity of observance of the "original Tanach," was brought to a head, by the First Advent of Jesus, and it is speculated by Dr. Ginsburg that by AD 40, "the Essens had probably become followers of Jesus!"[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]That, “we hear very little of them (the Essenes) after A.D. 40; and there can hardly be any doubt that the Essenes as a body must have embraced Christianity" Dr. Christian David Ginsburg, The Essenes, 1864.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]This interesting observation is emphasised, as the Essens would have experienced the death and Resurrection of Jesus, in AD 30![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Of the main 'schools,' or Groups of the day, the Pharisees, the Sadducees and the Essens; the Pharisees became dominant, and at the time of the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, only the "Judaism of the Pharisees," known as "Rabbinic Judaism" prevailed! This grew, and by AD 300, all the Pharisaic Interpretations had been written in what is called the "Mishnah." This is the basis of "Modern (Orthodox) Judaism."[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]This is why the Truths of the Messiah of Almighty God, as depicted and prophesied in the "Biblical Judaism" of the Old Testament (OT,) are not accepted by the Pharisaic (Orthodox) Jews who adhere to the current "Rabbinical Judaism" derived from the Pharisees of Jesus' day![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]The lesson is great, we must be careful to understand what we are reading, but to also be aware that there are "Vipers" in present day leaders and teachers![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Dr. Bullinger himself, during his lifetime, was an extremely humble and Godly man, and produced this Bible to help people to understand the Truth, which was, and is, hard to discern from the different teachings of the different "churches," especially bearing in mind the above, and the current "Liberal" emphasis in worldwide churches. This Companion Bible is still in print, in the USA, the Antipodes and now in China. A very important point to know is that although much corruption has taken place in Bible translation, for various reasons, some deliberate such as Jerome’s Vulgate, for the Roman church, and the AD 1611 KJV, for the Church of England, and some "accidental;" what most people do not know, and many will not accept, is that The Spirit of[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]God Almighty keeps a watch over all matters affecting His Word[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]This fact has/is attested to by Bible and language scholars, and the remarkable accuracy that has been maintained in the copies of manuscripts has been quoted as almost 99%! The same God who preserves His Word down the Ages, and who oversees and clarifies it as the culmination of His prophecies draws closer, in the many translations of the last 500 years, also brings the Truth to all who sincerely seek it! The website at the foot of the page deals partially with this subject.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]What is not generally known, is that ancient Rome, under its various Caesars, adopted the religions of the nations they conquered, to placate the populous in their new condition of "conquered nation." Many of the pagan gods that were “adopted,” became “saints” in the new universal Roman religion! This was a very successful policy, and was later merged into the "Christian" empire under Constantine / Helena. This is one of the origins of "mother and child" worship, as the Roman pagans rebelled, when Isis and her child Horus were to be excluded! Constantine relented, and the result is Mary worship today, and attributing to her, what should be attributed to Christ alone! At the same time that Constantine and his mother formed “The holy Roman Empire," all debate on the various disputes and views that were current in Christian circles, was stifled, on pain of death! The healthy debate did not continue until Martin Luther's brave stand! This is one of the reasons why the Roman church does not encourage Roman Catholics to read the Bible unsupervised, they only allow the "official" view to be expressed! It is also the reason for many of the other official teachings, many of which originate in ancient Babylon! After the formation of Constantine's Roman church, and the instigation of "Popery," there followed the various "Councils," and "Bulls," which give the rules for belief in the Roman Church, which Catholics today must follow! These corruptions had tainted the True message for approx.1200 years, and until the bravery of Martin Luther and others, held sway![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]The Roman Church example of deliberate error for purposes of men, instead of fidelity to Almighty God's purpose expressed in His Word, is still underway in many different churches, cults, groups, and denominations. Many "churches" seem on the surface to be authentic, and even preach "Christ crucified," but mix the Salvation message with a concoction of other teaching which do not conform to properly understood Scripture. Most of these mentioned require a form of control of their adherents, and / or a form of work or service over and above the Saving Grace of our Lord! The True message of Salvation sets people free, renews their minds, and gives purpose. The insidious corruption and misuse of Scripture for wrong purpose, where consciously undertaken, has the condemnation of Christ, in the words recorded in Matt. 7:22-23![/SIZE]


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    [SIZE=14pt]The Nephilim were of large stature, 13' or more tall, and the tomb size is shown in Deut. 3:11, and testified in Deut. 3:13, "the land of the giants". The certain fact that they had spread from Babylon is shown by the tombs of the Marduk kings in Babylon, which were of the same size as Deut. 3:11. It's an interesting fact that large skeletal remains have been discovered on almost every Continent, including recently Australia. It is theorised that the existence and spread of the Nephilim was during the time prior to "Continental Drift", and that the "Drift" when it happened, was much quicker than previously thought.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Babylon as is well known was founded by Nimrod, whose father was Cush and Grandfather Ham! Nimrod was "great in rebellion against God" Gen. 10:9, (the standard translation in the AV is that he was a mighty hunter "before the Lord", but on examination of the word "before", and its use in Gen. 6:11, this is almost certainly the wrong translation. When considering the record of Nimrod and his mother, and also remembering their role in Babylon and the tower of Babel, the favourable AV translation does not fit the context of his life.) Babylon became the fountainhead of Satanic opposition to Jehovah God, until its destruction, and the removal of its priests to Pergamos (Anatolia; modern day Turkey).[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]Caanan was the son of Ham and uncle to Nimrod [Gen. 10:6], and his purpose was to thwart the Messiah line from Genesis (Gen. 3:15).[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]It was inevitable that the Nephilim/giants would resist the children of Israel (Jacob), when they started their conquest of "the Promised land", as they were part of the plan of Satan to resist the curse imposed upon him of Gen. 3:15. By that time the Nephilim had blended into other tribes and peoples in the "Promised Land" and a thorough mix had been established. For that reason Jehovah forbad Israel any inter-marriage with the Canaanite tribes, as the line of the Messiah had to be pure from Adam, through Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah; through to Mary, Josephs' wife (Luke 23:38); so that the "seed of the woman" would be as prophecy (Gen. 3:15). The birth of Jesus was of the pure line of Judah, and all the prophecies in the Old Testament regarding His place of Birth, and His suffering and death were fulfilled. His Resurrection and Ascension, auger the fulfilment of the prophecies yet to be completed, which many people think will be soon![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Nephilim are the fruit of "the sons of God", or fallen angels (Gen. 6:4) (Rev. 12:4 & 9) which have mated with "the daughters of men", (Gen. 6:2), and had they succeeded in spreading their seed totally in men/Israel, the promise of Messiah (Gen. 3:15) could not have happened, and Satan would have had the victory. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]There is much debate and varied opinion, as to whether the resultant Nephilim/giants are of "sons of God", or fallen angels. The Interlinear Hebrew uses the word "God" in the delegated sense [Strongs 430], which should be spelt with a small g (god), which can mean an "authority" lower than Elohim [God], which brings in to play; angel, created being, magistrate etc. However, if Strongs is correct it means plural gods, and that would argue for "angels", and as Scripture says in Jude 6 and Rev. 12:4, many angels have fallen, which is stated as "leaving their first estate"; and they are "reserved to Judgement", (2Peter 2:4). [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]It is interesting to note that the PshittA translates (Gen. 6:2), "the sons of God looked upon the daughters of human beings", which implies that they were not human and gives credence to the "angel" argument.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]It is argued by some including Schofield that the Gen. 6:2 reference is not to angels but to the line of Cain, however, Gen. 4:1 states clearly that Cain was the son of Adam and Eve, and that he was "from the Lord"! Schofield uses the reference in Isa. 43:6 to justify that thought, but Isa. 43:6 in context refers to redeemed Israel. A further argument is used that angels are spoken of as "sexless", and Matt. 22:30 is used as justification. That reference however, is to the "angels of God" that have not left their first estate, and not followed Satan as per Revelation (12:4). [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]The fallen angels had in this concept taken their male status (all angels are referred to as male) to earthly realm and procreated, which was within their freewill, as is also their freewill to follow Satan and give him their allegiance. There is no mention in the whole of Scripture of female angels, and the reason for that is solely in the domain of Almighty God. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]There is only One Creator God, (see Strongs 410 and 433!). The Interlinear Hebrew for "the son" (Strongs 1121) (BEN) is the word "family builder", which implies just that possibility in these "sons of God", if they had not been resisted on the orders of Almighty God to Saul, David, and Joshua etc.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]The evidence of many Scripture passages using the word for "sons" or "angels", such as Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, Psm. 89:6 & Dan. 3:25, points to the conclusion that the two expressions can mean the same thing.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]However, the result is evil. Therefore is not of the will of Almighty God,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] but does show the fact of the free will of the created beings, whether called "sons" or "angels". We know from Revelation (Rev. 12:4) that one third of all angels follow Satan, and have been converted to him. These are in the future description of the events relating to the last Satanic turmoil on earth prior to the Second Advent of Christ. The "angels" which perpetrated the resultant Nephilim, are probably those described in 1Peter 3:19-20, and Jude 6, and those of an earlier rebellion, prior to this present Creation, (some people surmise that demonic activity on earth are the result of that earlier rebellion, however, that is speculation. The fact is that demonic spirits and activity are evident on earth, as is shown in Our Lord's dealing with them and also His disciples and the apostle Paul. However, nobody is sure as to their origin).[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]The fallen angels were not led by the Holy Spirit in their act of procreation but by the spirit of the Enemy of God, Satan, (indicating the fact of their free will). That is in contrast to Rom. 8:14, which confirms that those led by the Holy Spirit ("Spirit of God"), are "the sons of God"; so that God in Christ has created a pathway contrary to that of the fallen sons of Gen. 6; which allows fallen human beings to become "sons of God", [/SIZE](Jn. 1:12) (Rom. 8:4 & 19) (Phil. 2:15) (1Jn. 3:1 & 2), [SIZE=14pt]by their own will[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], in the acceptance of Christ, as Saviour.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]Genesis 6:4 shows clearly that after the flood destroyed all the Nephilim infiltrated humans, leaving Noah and his family only (Gen. 6:9); there was at a later date a further eruption of Nephilim "and also after the flood" (Gen. 6:4). These are described in detail in Num. 13:33, and in the book of Joshua. It is notable that on a number of occasions the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Divinely[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]ordered[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] task of annihilating the Nephilim was not completed ie. Joshua 11:22, 13:13, 16:10, 17:12 and elsewhere. That the task was probably/possibly never completed is implicit in the renewed warning to Israel regarding the forbidding of intermarriage with the local tribes (Josh. 23). [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]It is almost certain that both Saul and King David also did not eradicate Nephilim, as both failed to obey the commands of Jehovah, although David's heart was directed correctly, as Scripture records he slew Goliath (a Nephilim), which is probably symbolic and prophetic regarding "The Son of David's" action when He (Christ) returns to Earth. Whether or not physical Nephilim survive until this day in smaller form is unknown, and impossible to determine. However, when we recognise that the Nephilim purpose was to thwart Jehovah's plan of Salvation for Israel and the world, the fact that "great David's greater Son" "the second Adam", Christ, has appeared, died the death of the cross (Gal. 3:13), and risen, shows the utter failure of Satan's plan in the physical Nephilim. We know now that in this Age (of Grace), the battle is spiritual (Eph. 6:12). Those who truly wish to embrace God and Redemption can only do so through Christ (Acts 4:12), and that through faith only (Gal. 2:20) (Gal. 3). The Nephilim were/are the Satanically inspired fruit of fallen beings, attempting to thwart the physical birth of Christ/Messiah. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]It should be stated here again that the promise of Redemption in Gen. 3:15 could not have been fulfilled in Christ Jesus, if the Nephilim had succeeded in spreading their seed throughout the Jewish Nation. "The seed of the woman" of Gen. 3:15 had to be pure through to the Virgin Mary, so that the "Holy Ghost" could "overshadow her" and that "Holy Thing" called the "Son of God" would be born Luke 1:35. The child Jesus was destined to be the Propitiation of all the Sin of mankind that believe, after His death on the Cross at Calvary. He also being Immanuel (Matt. 1:23, God with us), and the Messiah of Israel, whom at present they have rejected. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]The current attempt of Satan is twofold,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt] 1) to thwart the spiritual birth of the Body of Christ (Christians true), which Body must be complete prior to the Lord's return, (and during Israel's lo-ammi state); which confirms that now is a spiritual warfare, see Ephesians. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt] 2) To thwart the promises of Jehovah Zebaoth to Israel. To that end spiritual forces are arrayed against mankind (Eph. 6:12) (particularly Gentiles since Acts 28:28, when the Gospel was sent to the Gentiles). These Satanic forces are the equivalent of the physical Nephilim, and at least as deadly. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=14pt]The Nephilim were/are a mixture of human flesh and Satanic spirit, the influence of Satan's spirits, are described in the Gospels and other parts of the New Testament (Matt. 10:1, Mk. 1:27, Mk. 3:11, 5:13, 6:7, Lk. 4:36, Acts 5:16, 8:7, Rev. 16:13). It is a sad fact that people have high regard for wizards, mediums etc. (Acts 8:11, and Acts 8:9-24), but as the Holy Spirit shows in Acts 8:18-24, there is only one way of escape for such people. Therefore, it is incumbent on Christians to be wary of all[/SIZE] humans, to attempt to determine their condition, as many are undoubtedly in disguise as innocuous, or are Enemy infiltrators in positions of power both in the world, and churches (groups) (Christendom).

    [SIZE=14pt]The last verse of the book of Zechariah (14:21) is conclusive, "there shall be no more Canaanite in the house of Jehovah Zebaoth". Also, in Zech. 13:2 idols, prophets and unclean spirits are banished (presumably to the same abyss as Satan). This takes place after the return of Christ/Jehovah, and as the Millennial Kingdom is established. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=14pt]It is considered (Ency. Brit. N. p. 232) that Christ the "Nazarene" is also under a Nazarene/Nazarite vow, yet to be completed when the Canaanite is eliminated. The Holy Spirit through John is lucid on the anti-christ, and particularly 1Jn. 2:18-28, see also (2Thess. 2:3-12) (1Jn. 4:2-3) (1Jn. 4:6) (1Jn. 5:19) (2Jn. 7), where "the last time" (i.e. this last Age time) is described in detail. In both 1 and 2 John, the conditions described are recognizable now by true Christians. The spirit of anti-christ is in every part of human life, and its profanity is evident continually around us, in all media, communications and contact, and unfortunately in false Christian teaching worldwide, that denies Acts 4:12 (Salvation is found in non other than Christ Jesus).[/SIZE]
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