Do you think only people aged 25 should be allowed to use and own guns?

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Should the legal age to use guns be increased to 25?


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Aunty Jane

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Thank you for answering, so your opinion is both sides are at fault because of propaganda. Well I remember when it all started. Putin for months built up his forces on the border, saying he can have his forces anywhere in his country what's the big deal the propaganda started. the world soon found out why putin had all those tanks on ukraines border. Putin attacked Ukraine simple as that.
What do you remember exactly....and who told you?
MSM is not to be trusted.....it is manipulated to sway people's loyalties.....on both sides. And it does a great job.

The last part, your not my judge but you sure did assume I had guns.
I assumed nothing...I just responded to what you said.....but you seem to have your fingers in your ears....:hmhehm
 

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What do you remember exactly....and who told you?
MSM is not to be trusted.....it is manipulated to sway people's loyalties.....on both sides. And it does a great job.


I assumed nothing...I just responded to what you said.....but you seem to have your fingers in your ears....:hmhehm

You can't even remember what I told you I don't watch MSM, who told you I watch MSM to begin with? hilarious
 

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"The United States has so much information, and so little knowledge." (Bashar Assad, President of the Syrian Arab Republic)

(So what are we to make of this insight....?)
You mean to say that the US should act like the Middle East and put women in their place? Once that's done all problems solved? I don't think we should embrace the suggestions of the camel riding club ...
 

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You mean to say that the US should act like the Middle East and put women in their place? Once that's done all problems solved? I don't think we should embrace the suggestions of the camel riding club ...
Actually Syria is among the most secular of Middle Eastern states.

It was ironic to see the US advocating a few years ago its replacement with one dominated by religious radicals.

Israel and the media dislike Syria not because it is really bad - other Middle Eastern regimes are more radical; they dislike Syria because it is relatively strong. (Hence part of the background to the statement, quoted.)
 

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Instead of taking a Biblical position that cannot be supported. I suggest studying and reading the opinions of leaders of the faith before jumping over the cliff. The statement of "Not becoming a part of the world" Is not what some have defined it to be.
Who said it was a biblical position that cannot be supported? When Jesus said we are to be “no part of the world” who was he addressing and what did his disciples understand that he meant?
What did he say?
John 18:33-37....
So Pilate entered the governor’s residence again and called Jesus and said to him: “Are you the King of the Jews?” 34 Jesus answered: “Are you asking this of your own originality, or did others tell you about me?” 35 Pilate replied: “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests handed you over to me. What did you do?” 36 Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.37 So Pilate said to him: “Well, then, are you a king?” Jesus answered: “You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.”

The subject matter was rulership...and we have only one King. We are to submit to the authority of the government that rules our nation but it is relative subjection......no government or human ruler can tell us to break God’s law, or to fail to carry out the assignment to preach the word. Jesus’ attendants did not fight because there was no need to defend his kingdom, which was yet future. They were arrested several times for preaching when the Jewish leader’s had forbade it. Not once did they resist arrest, but placed themselves in God’s hands, knowing that his will would dominate any plans or actions of men.

To not be a part of this world .....means that the religion should have never grown and should not be majority religion today. To not be a part of this world .....means ...as a Chrisitian you simply don't exist. How do you become a Christian if there is no one there to tell you about the miracle of Christ?
Nonsense....we are commanded to preach and make disciples regardless of what the world thinks of it. (Matthew 28:19-20) They can ban us but they can’t silence us......genuine Christians have proven this all through their history. How else do you think Christianity grew at all, despite the infiltration of the “weeds”? The “wheat” are going about their business because Jesus commanded that the “good news of the kingdom” would be “preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to ALL the nations, and then the end will come.”.....(Matthew 24:14)....do we see professed Christians in Christendom doing this on a global scale? When was the last time a member of your church called on anyone to give them “the good news of the kingdom”? Most have no idea what it is....and most are so biblically illiterate that wouldn’t know how to preach in the first place. It is the obligation of all Christians to be preachers. (Revelation 22:16-17)

After all .....that person should have been silent having been commanded to not be a part of this world. Everything about Christianity screams to involve this world ...What we are commended to not do is submit to the perils of the world
Who was commanded to be silent????
Christians are in the world but not of it....there is a line of demarcation.....but patriotism gets in the way.....a sad indoctrination that weakens a Christian’s loyalty to God. You cannot be a patriot and a Christian because our citizenship is not in any earthly government, which the Bible says all belong to satan. (1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-6) This is why God’s kingdom cannot be part of this world.

We have a command to "Turn the other cheek" That is not a command to submit ....In the Roman world, a superior would treat a subordinate as a child.
Jews were not Romans, nor did they live like Romans, despite the domination. Turning the other cheek to a Christian simply meant not allowing an insult to cause them to retaliate in kind. It involved ego verses humility. We do not need to exact vengeance because that is God’s responsibility.....something the apostle Paul demonstrates clearly in Romans 12:17-21.
 

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As for driving licence I remember that I greatly despised that I had to be treated like I was at 16yo, because we could not get a licence until you are 17yo, they made it hell for me to get about for work.
As for Gun Laws that's rubbish as well, I had a gun from before I can remember a air rifle and a 22 bolt action, but I was educated about the rules of using a Gun explicitly, what was and was not tolerated regarding such, it was demanded ! and all my mates on the land were the same but for the city kids who always feared guns and never had any grounding instilled into them about responsibility's,
I bought my first car at 13yo and drove around the paddocks.
I worked from 7yo with men on job sites, so you had to learn your place or else ! They were not nice people at all, they demanded standards be met or else.

I was more mature than him when I was 7yo in fact. but I know many men of any age who are truly just like boys in the head that have never matured, I think it because they have never been called upon to take charge of themselves to be responsible. Stand up and be responsible for your actions ! for crying out loud, not admitting to ones mistakes etc but passing the buck on to others as I hate that ! I rather one stand up and admit, because I respect that in a man. everyone has the capacity to grow and that's the deal, the essence.

People even 30 years ago used to move out and get married right after high school after finding a decent trade and job, I think in America and other parts of the Western world, going out into the wide open world with almost nothing but the shirts on their backs and their head held high. Nowadays, I've heard of 30-year-olds who have either no college degree, or have degrees but still live at home with their mother and father, even sharing their insurance, because housing prices are so terrible, as well as the combined problems caused by the economy and the pandemic. It's quite amazing how quickly we have changed - but have we truly "progressed" or "regressed"??

From the Bible's point of view, 'a house divided cannot stand' (Mark 3:24-25)....and because of the political divisions of those who claim to be "Christians", I see that satan has sucked people into his world by his lying propaganda and the emotional appeal of indoctrinated "King and Country".....Christians should be, not just "more neutral and balanced" but completely "neutral and balanced", with regard to politics.

Jane, I'm interested in what you and other Australian / non-American users here have to say about this complex debate. Not just about for example, gun laws but also for things such as drinking laws. Do you think America's law at 21 is too high, or too low? I mean, I don't drink, but LOTS of people at my college drank, long before 21. That being said, it does seem that drunk driving accidents among teenagers and young adults are very high unfortunately.
Teenage Drunk Driving Facts - Drive-Safely.net

I have read though, as another point to consider, that our brains also start to deterioriate around the age of 29 or something. And this article also states that:

"Typically, we lose seven to 10 milliseconds -- a tenth of a second -- of brain speed per decade from age 20 on, which means that aging alone causes us to lose brain cells and processing speed. This minute change is very difficult to notice, even for the most tuned-in individuals, because aging occurs at a constant rate."
You're Getting Dumber as You Age: Here's How to Slow the Decline

"Working memory — the ability to hold a piece of information in mind, such as a phone number, password, or the location of a parked — also declines with age. Some studies suggest a slow decline starts as early as age 30. Working memory depends on the rapid processing of new information rather than on stored knowledge. Other aspects of this kind of fluid intelligence, such as processing speed and problem-solving, also decrease with age."
https://www.brainfacts.org/thinking...ng/2019/how-the-brain-changes-with-age-083019

So if you start to lose your peak only 4-5 years after turning 25, then it's perhaps not a great idea to start using weapons or drinking at that age either, it might even conversely hold back or cripple your development and progress. And in the interests of fairness, lots of people including Republicans might want the voting age to be equal to that age also, opening yet another huge and complex debate. So I don't know, I don't think there's a very clear answer to what is the best today.
 
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Jews were not Romans, nor did they live like Romans, despite the domination. Turning the other cheek to a Christian simply meant not allowing an insult to cause them to retaliate in kind. It involved ego verses humility. We do not need to exact vengeance because that is God’s responsibility.....something the apostle Paul demonstrates clearly in Romans 12:17-21.

Jews were occupied by Rome at the birth of Jesus and at the death of Jesus . The culture of Rome infiltrated everything the Jews did in everyday life with the exception of worship. To deny that fact means you ignore the culture spill over. The striking of a person beneath you was with the right hand and by the back of the hand ....The left hand being the dirty hand ....Turning the cheek says you can't strike me again with the back of your hand .....Try looking up Roman culture and expand your Bible ...You might learn something....
 

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Aunty is in Australia.....does Australia have more than government regulated TV and media ????
We do indeed, and only the morons will believe anything they see on the nightly news.....that's the thing about propaganda....people think its the truth.
And anyone who thinks its rubbish is a conspiracy theorist. :rolleyes:
 

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Jews were not Romans, nor did they live like Romans, despite the domination. Turning the other cheek to a Christian simply meant not allowing an insult to cause them to retaliate in kind. It involved ego verses humility. We do not need to exact vengeance because that is God’s responsibility.....something the apostle Paul demonstrates clearly in Romans 12:17-21.

Jews were occupied by Rome at the birth of Jesus and at the death of Jesus. The culture of Rome infiltrated everything the Jews did in everyday life with the exception of worship. To deny that fact means you ignore the culture spill over. The striking of a person beneath you was with the right hand and by the back of the hand ....The left hand being the dirty hand ....Turning the cheek says you can't strike me again with the back of your hand .....Try looking up Roman culture and expand your Bible ...You might learn something....
I like to look at things through the lens of scripture....if anyone influenced the world in a lasting way, I believe that the Greeks were first in line on that score.
When Jesus walked the earth, it was a world dominated by the power of Rome. But the history of the holy land was marked by foreign domination from the rise of the Assyrian Empire in the eighth century BCE. Palestine (its Roman name) was successively dominated by the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greek Empires of Alexander and his successors, and the Romans. Daniel had foretold the rise of these world powers in his prophesy on "the appointed times of the nations", beginning with Babylon. (Luke 21:20-24; Daniel 2:26-45)

Gentile nations would dominate the Jewish people until the coming of God's Kingdom. After Rome two more world powers would join forces and hold sway as the dominant powers in "the time of the end".....Britain and the USA. These are said by Daniel to be the last ruling "kings" before the coming of the kingdom of God. (Daniel 2:44)

Although all of these empires brought about changes to the land and its inhabitants, the most profound change occurred with the conquest of Alexander the Great in 332 BCE. The language of government, commerce, and culture became Greek, and would remain Greek throughout the Roman period. Koine Greek was the common language of the first century. The Jews had their scripture translated into Greek (Septuagint) for the benefit of the Greek speaking Jews.

The Jews were influenced more by Greek culture and religion, whereas Roman influence kicked in more with Christendom, than Judaism. Beginning with the establishment of the RCC we see an integration of false ideas and concepts of Roman origin in the "Christianity" that flowed on from them.
Images of Jesus Christ looked suspiciously like Zeus. And Roman customs and festivals took on a new name, with a wafer thin veneer of "Christianity" to make them appear to be acceptable to the apostate church that had become the state religion of the Roman Empire.

The RCC was the mother of many daughters after the Reformation, each taking their mother's dirty laundry with them. Christendom is a disunited and fragmented mess, rather than the united brotherhood of Christ's disciples that Paul said they must be. (1 Corinthians 1:10)

Today, the "wheat" exist in the world and so do the "weeds".....if we cannot tell the difference, then we are in trouble....
 

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Jane, I'm interested in what you and other Australian / non-American users here have to say about this complex debate. Not just about for example, gun laws but also for things such as drinking laws. Do you think America's law at 21 is too high, or too low? I mean, I don't drink, but LOTS of people at my college drank, long before 21. That being said, it does seem that drunk driving accidents among teenagers and young adults are very high unfortunately.
Teenage Drunk Driving Facts - Drive-Safely.net
You raise some good points LW, and its a shame that no matter how many laws governments make, people (especially young people) will still break them...its only if you get caught that its a problem. :eek:

If all simply followed Jesus' teachings, we would not be having this conversation....so the solution has always been there....
It wouldn't matter what the drinking or driving or gun owning age was, laws will continue to be broken.

Drinking alcohol or driving would be done responsibly.....and gun ownership would be completely unnecessary.

God does not condemn drinking in moderation, but he does condemn drunkenness.....and we all know that drunken behavior is the cause of so many of the problems we see today. Ask the ER docs and nurses about how much they hate weekends....with people off their faces and vomiting all over themselves and others....its disgusting! Alcohol fueled violence is a regular occurrence, and even paramedics are in life threatening situations because of it. But because thedrunks don't remember what an absolute fool they made of themselves, or how dangerous their behavior was, they continue to repeat the same scenarios...only now its coupled with a cocktail of drugs as well.
The "ice" epidemic is frightening in its scope and outcomes. Its not hard to see who rules this world. (1 John 5:19)

No laws can stop what is going on.....and its so widespread......and crime and violence are so common that the police have to pick their battles and wait till something is life-threatening before they can intervene....often too late. (especially with guns at the ready.)

I have read though, as another point to consider, that our brains also start to deterioriate around the age of 29 or something. And this article also states that:

"Typically, we lose seven to 10 milliseconds -- a tenth of a second -- of brain speed per decade from age 20 on, which means that aging alone causes us to lose brain cells and processing speed. This minute change is very difficult to notice, even for the most tuned-in individuals, because aging occurs at a constant rate."
You're Getting Dumber as You Age: Here's How to Slow the Decline
When we look at scripture, we see that humankind were created perfect...free of any defects....but in giving them free will, God was making them in his "own image and likeness". It was to be a wonderful gift, deciding how best to serve the Creator's interests on earth....but when it was abused, it became a curse, and sin and death was the end result, making all of man's woes the end product of someone abusing their free will.

In the last 10 years it has been a slow process in the "dumbing down" of everything....so many things are now at a child-like level. Advertising in the media is like marketing to children. We are certainly declining in mental capacity.
 

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Continued....
"Working memory — the ability to hold a piece of information in mind, such as a phone number, password, or the location of a parked — also declines with age. Some studies suggest a slow decline starts as early as age 30. Working memory depends on the rapid processing of new information rather than on stored knowledge. Other aspects of this kind of fluid intelligence, such as processing speed and problem-solving, also decrease with age."
https://www.brainfacts.org/thinking...ng/2019/how-the-brain-changes-with-age-083019

So if you start to lose your peak only 4-5 years after turning 25, then it's perhaps not a great idea to start using weapons or drinking at that age either, it might even conversely hold back or cripple your development and progress. And in the interests of fairness, lots of people including Republicans might want the voting age to be equal to that age also, opening yet another huge and complex debate. So I don't know, I don't think there's a very clear answer to what is the best today.
Looking at these questions purely from a Biblical perspective, we have the answers as to why we are deteriorating rapidly, with each successive generation becoming weaker genetically, physically, and spiritually than the last...the only things humans seem to get stronger at are evil.....things of a moral and ethical nature. I don't know what your beliefs are regarding the present state of the world, but all I see is disaster looming concerning a plethora of problems, all of our own making. The Bible foretold all this.

God has allowed this situation to develop to demonstrate what humans could not be told in Eden.....that humans are ill equipped to guide their own lives, without instructions from their Creator. (Jeremiah 10:23) Now, starting in the 20th century generation, we see science has emerged as the religion of the masses, convinced that there is no God....its all superstition and myth......and yet the human race is behaving exactly as God said they would by making their own misguided decisions about everything....and here we are on the brink of extinction by our own hand.

Those who purport to worship the true God don't even know who he really is, and they blindly hold onto beliefs from centuries ago that were never true in the first place. Christendom is a fractured, misguided mess. Who can learn anything about God from them?

So, IMO we can't look to man for solutions to our problems, because he has created them all himself, employing his own "wisdom" , which we see is no wisdom at all. The only hope we have is the one laid out by Jesus.....the coming of God's Kingdom in the hands of his Christ who will undo all the damage caused by satan and the ones he has managed to deceive, to re-establish his first purpose, which was to have perfect humans living an idyllic life forever in paradise on earth, with no sickness, suffering, old age or death to plague mankind again.

Revelation 21:2-4 will then be our reality, as long as we remain obedient to God.....its really that simple. If Adam had simply obeyed his God, we would not be in this mess in the first place, but free will is a gift, so it was worth the pain to retain it for all eternity to come.
 

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I am very pro gun but these kids today are just not mentally mature enough to handle firearms. It is like the youth are regressing or at least maturing very late. Decades of socialistic coddling have resulted in broken youth that cannot handle the stress of life. Kids are bullied to the point of snapping and killing people. In my days a bully was handled with fists not guns. I cannot believe I am saying this but I almost think raising the age to at least 21 would be a very good idea. But at the same time if you give these people an inch they will take a mile. One day it is raising the age of firearms purchases and the next you are being forced to hand over every gun you have or face prison.

I partly agree with BOTH your points, which is why I personally voted for "Other / Not sure" (the third option). It is true, most people back in the day matured far more quickly than they do today...it's almost like the period of development is being socially extended at least 7-12 years especially in modern-day America.

But the fact that Americans are growing up so immature and depressed today is quite alarming, Americans are the unhappiest they've been in 50 years, and patriotism is also at an all-time low for millions of people, and lots of people are sick and tired of the two mainstream parties fighting back and forth. :(
Americans are the unhappiest they've been in 50 years, poll finds
American patriotism hits a new low | CNN Politics
Support for Third U.S. Political Party at High Point

I mean, the age of 25 does seem a fairly late age to start using weapons for the first time; there's a specific reason why parents teach their children to play instruments very early, because they are able to ingrain their skills into their development and progress their entire lives. Perhaps it's the same with guns, I'm not quite sure?

Keep in mind, though, that if Democrats do increase the gun age to 25, then afterwards, Republicans could argue for the voting age to be increased to 25 as a counter-argument. And that would be actually hugely beneficial to conservative interests - it would cripple and lock out a significant part of the Democrats' younger voting base, which would give the Republicans a massive boost.
 

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Guns are for killing people. Is that what Jesus told us to do?
 

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Guns are for killing people. Is that what Jesus told us to do?
Well so are swords. But there is a huge difference between self defense and/or protecting one's family and going out and wantonly murdering innocents. And when you think of abortion, it gets even uglier.

Did Jesus not tell His apostles to buy swords for protecting themselves? And did not God tell Christians that the executioner's sword is to administer divine justice? When Christ was in Gethsemane, Peter was actually carrying a sword, which he used to protect Christ. But in this instance, Jesus needed no protection and in fact healed the man's ear.

Today guns are the equivalent of swords. And the reason their possession is protected under the 2nd Amendment is to allow Americans to resist tyrants. Had there been "a well regulated militia" in 2020, the White House would have been stormed and Biden would have been arrested. And that is exactly what the "Democratic" tyrants (or Canadian Communists) hate. The irony is that the regions with tightest gun control laws are also the regions with the highest numbers of homicides!
 

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Well so are swords. But there is a huge difference between self defense and/or protecting one's family and going out and wantonly murdering innocents. And when you think of abortion, it gets even uglier.

Did Jesus not tell His apostles to buy swords for protecting themselves? And did not God tell Christians that the executioner's sword is to administer divine justice? When Christ was in Gethsemane, Peter was actually carrying a sword, which he used to protect Christ. But in this instance, Jesus needed no protection and in fact healed the man's ear.

Today guns are the equivalent of swords. And the reason their possession is protected under the 2nd Amendment is to allow Americans to resist tyrants. Had there been "a well regulated militia" in 2020, the White House would have been stormed and Biden would have been arrested. And that is exactly what the "Democratic" tyrants (or Canadian Communists) hate. The irony is that the regions with tightest gun control laws are also the regions with the highest numbers of homicides!
What did Jesus tell us to do? That's what matters to me.
 

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I partly agree with BOTH your points, which is why I personally voted for "Other / Not sure" (the third option). It is true, most people back in the day matured far more quickly than they do today...it's almost like the period of development is being socially extended at least 7-12 years especially in modern-day America.

But the fact that Americans are growing up so immature and depressed today is quite alarming, Americans are the unhappiest they've been in 50 years, and patriotism is also at an all-time low for millions of people, and lots of people are sick and tired of the two mainstream parties fighting back and forth. :(
Americans are the unhappiest they've been in 50 years, poll finds
American patriotism hits a new low | CNN Politics
Support for Third U.S. Political Party at High Point

I mean, the age of 25 does seem a fairly late age to start using weapons for the first time; there's a specific reason why parents teach their children to play instruments very early, because they are able to ingrain their skills into their development and progress their entire lives. Perhaps it's the same with guns, I'm not quite sure?

Keep in mind, though, that if Democrats do increase the gun age to 25, then afterwards, Republicans could argue for the voting age to be increased to 25 as a counter-argument. And that would be actually hugely beneficial to conservative interests - it would cripple and lock out a significant part of the Democrats' younger voting base, which would give the Republicans a massive boost.
You know, Most 18 year olds shouldn’t vote anyway. They’re pretty much still young and stupid and vote on emotion rather than logic. They do have soft heads that absorb information and maybe gun training at a young age would help. I dunno.
 

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Voting is totally useless!

Daniel 4
17 'This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.'

Trust God, not "the lowest of men", thieving, LYING politicians!
 
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