Do you think only people aged 25 should be allowed to use and own guns?

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Should the legal age to use guns be increased to 25?


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Reggie Belafonte

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Seriously can you just answer the question. What should have the Ukrainians done in the beginning of the invasion. From a Christian standpoint?

Really can you just answer without the dodge ball game

And by the way this misguided patriot has zero weapons guns etc.
That is not the real issue at all in Ukraine and Russian question, Russia does not want Ukraine and the real issue has not been portrayed at all about the conflict by the MSM or any Government, they hide the facts totally in fact, it's an issue about the History and the West should but out of such because it has nothing to do with the West really anyway. It's a Local issue truly and Russia has every right too make deals within, nothing that Russia wanted was wrong and the people in the areas should of had the right to choose ? and Vote ! but that right was taken away from the people in the areas by the Anti-Christ Nazi supporting moron Zelensky, because he was fully backed up by the NWO Socialist Joe Biden.

The NWO now wants to totally dominate the whole world and as such your Voting powers is worthless !
The leadership do not give the people the power to Vote openly on subjects truly openly, things are played to twist the outcome. Like Gay rights in Australia The PM said this is all that it's about Marriage ? The right to Gay marriage and that's it ! That is what the PM demanded ! Such was an outright lie, but it comes with a package and the Devil is in the detail. It was all a outright deception ! we have a million Laws now that work to threaten and dominate over people ! Such was all hidden from the people in fact, They Lied !

The same cunning with Ukraine is at hand but the fact is It's a Slavic issue and it should be resolved by the people and not some Anti-Christ Dictator Zelensky who forced this madness on the Ukraine people, because he is an evil idiot ! a nobody puppet who got placed in Power. who threatens the Ukraine people in fact. No man could leave of fighting age !
But Look at Russia fighting age can leave at will.

Look at how Zelensky's Anti-Christ Nazis have control over the people in Ukraine, they have been killing Ukraine people and setting them up to die or have homes destroyed because of their stupid criminal tactics that have no regard for peoples homes.
What is wrong with the Area that Russia wants, the majority people their of want to join Russia, Vote wise the whole conflict could of been solved peacefully with no risk to the Ukraine peoples lives of homes. But Zelensky and Co could not care less in fact about such. Zelensky and his Nazis are fine and happy to bring this all on Ukraine !

Biden is happy as he has no true regard for the Ukraine people at all, not to mention the history of Ukraine people totally hate the USA in fact !

Biden and his boy has had big money invested in Ukraine for years and so do other political leaders who have been chomping on this Pie that has been hidden by the powers that be and MSM covers up and will not truly investigate in depth to expose the true goings on by such people.

There is big money to be made in Ukraine and it's Government's history for many years are so hugely corrupt, they have not been serving the Ukraine people truly but clearly the political themselves and some very wealthy people can be seen with way more then a finger in the Pie.

The MSM talk about such people who got very wealthy in Russia after the wall came down ? but look at such people in Ukraine who got very wealthy as well ? But hang on lets not go their or the whole thing will be exposed for what is truly happening behind all this.
Fact is that the People of Ukraine are been hung out to dry ! what do they get out of all this ! Nothing at all but Hellfire.

Their is no real issue among the people of the Area's borders deal, they are happy to become Russian not to mention that they are Russians in fact who live their! Not to mention it's clearly the best for all concerning the future, as the issues are resolved.

It could of all been handled easy without all the killing and destruction in fact. But for Satan is in the detail of such workings. Were all the lives lost worth it ? This is going to go down as the most stupid War ever.
 

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That is not the real issue at all in Ukraine and Russian question, Russia does not want Ukraine and the real issue has not been portrayed at all about the conflict by the MSM or any Government, they hide the facts totally in fact, it's an issue about the History and the West should but out of such because it has nothing to do with the West really anyway. It's a Local issue truly and Russia has every right too make deals within, nothing that Russia wanted was wrong and the people in the areas should of had the right to choose ? and Vote ! but that right was taken away from the people in the areas by the Anti-Christ Nazi supporting moron Zelensky, because he was fully backed up by the NWO Socialist Joe Biden.

The NWO now wants to totally dominate the whole world and as such your Voting powers is worthless !
The leadership do not give the people the power to Vote openly on subjects truly openly, things are played to twist the outcome. Like Gay rights in Australia The PM said this is all that it's about Marriage ? The right to Gay marriage and that's it ! That is what the PM demanded ! Such was an outright lie, but it comes with a package and the Devil is in the detail. It was all a outright deception ! we have a million Laws now that work to threaten and dominate over people ! Such was all hidden from the people in fact, They Lied !

The same cunning with Ukraine is at hand but the fact is It's a Slavic issue and it should be resolved by the people and not some Anti-Christ Dictator Zelensky who forced this madness on the Ukraine people, because he is an evil idiot ! a nobody puppet who got placed in Power. who threatens the Ukraine people in fact. No man could leave of fighting age !
But Look at Russia fighting age can leave at will.

Look at how Zelensky's Anti-Christ Nazis have control over the people in Ukraine, they have been killing Ukraine people and setting them up to die or have homes destroyed because of their stupid criminal tactics that have no regard for peoples homes.
What is wrong with the Area that Russia wants, the majority people their of want to join Russia, Vote wise the whole conflict could of been solved peacefully with no risk to the Ukraine peoples lives of homes. But Zelensky and Co could not care less in fact about such. Zelensky and his Nazis are fine and happy to bring this all on Ukraine !

Biden is happy as he has no true regard for the Ukraine people at all, not to mention the history of Ukraine people totally hate the USA in fact !

Biden and his boy has had big money invested in Ukraine for years and so do other political leaders who have been chomping on this Pie that has been hidden by the powers that be and MSM covers up and will not truly investigate in depth to expose the true goings on by such people.

There is big money to be made in Ukraine and it's Government's history for many years are so hugely corrupt, they have not been serving the Ukraine people truly but clearly the political themselves and some very wealthy people can be seen with way more then a finger in the Pie.

The MSM talk about such people who got very wealthy in Russia after the wall came down ? but look at such people in Ukraine who got very wealthy as well ? But hang on lets not go their or the whole thing will be exposed for what is truly happening behind all this.
Fact is that the People of Ukraine are been hung out to dry ! what do they get out of all this ! Nothing at all but Hellfire.

Their is no real issue among the people of the Area's borders deal, they are happy to become Russian not to mention that they are Russians in fact who live their! Not to mention it's clearly the best for all concerning the future, as the issues are resolved.

It could of all been handled easy without all the killing and destruction in fact. But for Satan is in the detail of such workings. Were all the lives lost worth it ? This is going to go down as the most stupid War ever.
Hmm sounds like your Russian supporting Putins agenda to take back the old mother land from Ukraine.

I don't watch MSM and neither should you.

The Russian army personnel are torturing raping and killing women children and men. Nazis they are.
 
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Agreed. The next option would be pipe bombs or something similar...and if that was to happen would we have to ban all materials a bomb could be made of? Oh mercy....
I was just discussing this yesterday with a friend. I said that every public school should have every child take a mental exam given every 3 years...just to measure where their thought process is.
And those who display aggressive and rebellious attitudes (or even those who have serious social issues) tested and even offered counseling if needed.
This would be preventative action and perhaps change any possible outcome had they not took these steps.
@Heart2Soul I guess following on kitchen knives can do a lot of damage in the hands of a wrong person....hard to know where to stop, right?
 

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Hmm sounds like your Russian supporting Putins agenda to take back the old mother land from Ukraine.

I don't watch MSM and neither should you.

The Russian army personnel are torturing raping and killing women children and men. Nazis they are.

I think Christians here should at least try to remain more neutral and balanced in this conflict, both Russia and Ukraine are Christian nations, I have my own strong opinions, but I'd rather not share them here and now; I am simply saddened and horrified that Europe has erupted into fresh war. Did they not learn their lessons after the Second World War?? I always saw Russia ideally as the big polar bear protecting Ukraine, the baby polar bear and its little brother.

Regarding the gun issue and responsibility...these issues make me conflicted also.

For example - the drinking age, some liberals want to lower the drinking age, others want to raise it even further, while still other liberals want it to remain locked at 21. I have no idea what most conservatives think about that. I think some other countries don't have drinking ages, or that you're allowed to "drink" alcohol at almost any age, but you can't purchase alcohol until a certain age. I don't really care because I don't really drink personally, it's related to spiritual reasons, and I just have no real interest in alcohol.

But I am aware that drinking before college for example is extremely widespread and popular, even a rite of passage in lots of societies. There are also other arguments to consider, such as drunk driving and car accidents, as well as the risk of affecting education and development. The point being that people will always drink whenever they want to, and so I'm not sure whether making the laws stricter or more lenient will have much effect.

With guns though...I don't know. I mean, you guys must also have relatives or children / grandchildren who are around the age of these perpetrators of these recent horrible events. Do you think they are mature and responsible enough to use a lethal weapon, would you personally trust them with one?
 
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I think Christians here should at least try to remain more neutral and balanced in this conflict, both Russia and Ukraine are Christian nations, I have my own strong opinions, but I'd rather not share them here and now; I am simply saddened and horrified that Europe has erupted into fresh war. Did they not learn their lessons after the Second World War??

Regarding the gun issue and responsibility...these issues make me conflicted also.

For example - the drinking age, some liberals want to lower the drinking age, others want to raise it even further, while still other liberals want it to remain locked at 21. I have no idea what most conservatives think about that. I think some other countries don't have drinking ages, or that you're allowed to "drink" alcohol at almost any age, but you can't purchase alcohol until a certain age. I don't really care because I don't really drink personally, it's related to spiritual reasons, and I just have no real interest in alcohol.

But I am aware that drinking before college for example is extremely widespread and popular, even a rite of passage in lots of societies. There are also other arguments to consider, such as drunk driving and car accidents, as well as the risk of affecting education and development. The point being that people will always drink whenever they want to, and so I'm not sure whether making the laws stricter or more lenient will have much effect.

With guns though...I don't know. I mean, you guys must also have relatives or children / grandchildren who are around the age of these perpetrators of these recent horrible events. Do you think they are mature and responsible enough to use a lethal weapon, would you personally trust them with one?
I have nothing against Russian people the vast majority of them don't want nothing to do with the war. Thousands of russians have fled. The truth is its putin ex KGB hard liner with crazy dreams of reuniting the old soviet union. That man has mental issues and shouldn't even be in power.

The only thing that has been learned is people who desire to conquer other nations seems to never end. I'm pretty sure China is next to have a go at twain.

About guns and drinking I'm not a fan of either. about age you got a point about young drinkers oddly enough using guns at age 5 7 9yrs old, some doing competition shooting, to be honest it looks odd seeing a 6 year old shooting guns. Alot of parents are training them real young. I saw a video with a 5 yr old who started learning to load mags at two. A 2 yr old loading mags unreal.
 
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Instead of taking a Biblical position that cannot be supported. I suggest studying and reading the opinions of leaders of the faith before jumping over the cliff. The statement of "Not becoming a part of the world" Is not what some have defined it to be.

To not be a part of this world .....means that the religion should have never grown and should not be majority religion today. To not be a part of this world .....means ...as a Chrisitian you simply don't exist. How do you become a Christian if there is no one there to tell you about the miracle of Christ? After all .....that person should have been silent having been commanded to not be a part of this world. Everything about Christianity screams to involve this world ...What we are commended to not do is submit to the perils of the world ....Example: Some of the most revered original hymns used in church....were originally tavern songs sung by drunks. Copy the music and change the words ....supposedly it drew the druk leader of the house to church wth his wife ...At least he knew the tunes ....

We have a command to "Turn the other cheek" That is not a command to submit ....In the Roman world, a superior would treat a subordinate as a child. Strike on the cheek, with a requirement. That required the use of the right hand of authority, striking the individual with the back of the hand. That identified the one in authoirty and the person beneath the authority .....Now go to strike again and that person turns his head to expose the "other cheek". You can no longer strike with the back of your right hand ...to administer the strike with the palm of your hand ....elevates the one being struck to being equal to you. Now you have admited to being under the same rule of law as the person you are ready ot strike. Now you can be charged under Roman law.
 

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I suggest studying and reading the opinions of leaders of the faith before jumping over the cliff. The statement of "Not becoming a part of the world" Is not what some have defined it to be.
You do know Jesus Christ is THE Leader of the Faith, right?

Jesus Speaking:
1 John 2:15-17

Some of the most revered original hymns used in church....were originally tavern songs sung by drunks.
Pathetic.

NO True Christians have ever remained drunks after encountering Jesus Christ's Spirit.

NO drunk, or drug addict, shall inherit the Kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:10
We have a command to "Turn the other cheek" That is not a command to submit ....In the Roman world, a superior would treat a subordinate as a child. Strike on the cheek, with a requirement. That required the use of the right hand of authority, striking the individual with the back of the hand. That identified the one in authoirty and the person beneath the authority .....Now go to strike again and that person turns his head to expose the "other cheek". You can no longer strike with the back of your right hand ...to administer the strike with the palm of your hand ....elevates the one being struck to being equal to you. Now you have admited to being under the same rule of law as the person you are ready ot strike. Now you can be charged under Roman law.
Absolute nonsense.

God did not include lessons, or Commands, founded in any Roman laws.

Forget your "leaders of the faith" and study God's sacred Word.
 

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Christians, as part of Jesus’ kingdom, are not of this world. We have been adopted as heirs of heaven by God Himself, and that is where our citizenship is (Titus 3:7). Until our King returns, we wait (Titus 2:13), and we hope (Romans 5:5), and we do what we can to bring others into the “not of this world” relationship with Jesus Christ.

Try reality instead of half cocked theories .....Scripture works far better that way ....

If you don't understand the culture and the message of God .....you can't understand the Bible ...You invent trash ....

Otherwise ....you and everyone else, including me, should have been hiding in a cave.....Christianity doesn't survive the 1st century because you fail to study the true meaning of the scripture ...
 

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You are apparently writing to fellow Americans about this because you wouldn't ask anyone in the civilized world outside of the US that question.
It seems as if the gun violence is directly related to your gun laws, because of which America has the highest deaths and injuries by gunshot than any other civilized nation on earth.

The rest of the world shakes their heads and wonders why you can't see the correlation. Why do you need to carry guns in the first place?
If it is to protect yourselves from your own citizens, then America must be the most dangerous country in the world to live, or to go to school in safety. How many more people have to be shot by disgruntled loonies who have legal access to firearms before the penny drops?
Are y'all still living in the wild west...? :no reply:

I just don't understand.....
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Jane, I much understand your frustration and concern, but for better or worse, this is part of American culture, and cannot be easily changed in the near future. Nor is it true that only Republicans are for guns, but Democrats are 99% against them. Even I have several liberal friends who are nevertheless fairly pro-gun, and even online, there are quite a few Democrats who are also for the Second Amendment.

My point is, before trying to convince the Republicans to do something about this, you should also check the views of the Democrats; they are NOT always necessarily the same. American society and politics are very complicated, especially nowadays.

Again, I think it has much to do with America's increasingly secular and anti-Christian culture in general. For example, there was a rapper guy who made a popular music video about lynching a white child, I think, several years ago, to protest against "racism", the violence and division and hatred on all levels in American society has gotten very extreme. :(
 

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Hmm sounds like your Russian supporting Putins agenda to take back the old mother land from Ukraine.

I don't watch MSM and neither should you.

The Russian army personnel are torturing raping and killing women children and men. Nazis they are.
I do understand why Putin's hand had been forced and War took on, because a Puppet was installed in Ukraine to do the bidding of a very wealthy Mob who clearly do not care about the Ukraine people, Putin's asking was not out of line with the people of the areas, but for the Political powers madness and dominating over the people of them areas.
Not to mention the Government of Ukraine should work with Russia in light of the situation of the history principles that were lay down, they choose to dis regard such and brought it all on themselves due to ignorance. but I do understand that their is vast money to be made out of the interest of braking away from Russia for investors around the world and if I were one looking to invest especially if I were in Government like a Leader I would have a invested interest because one would make a huge investment killing billions with to be made, they have found Oil in Ukraine ! and the greed is in the deal that wants it.
If their was no oil in Ukraine, no War would of been kicked off in fact. Nations do not toss stupid huge money at a Country for nothing, you all. They want their investments back both the Tax payer and their own personal investments, I am sure that Biden and family and Co are hugely indebt in Ukraine as they are on the grave train first in first serve, they make the killing money wise for a fact and are willing to sacrifice people regardless. That's the key to the will for the War !

Putin never wanted Ukraine, only parts of it for safe guarding Russia and Ukraine is a buffer zone. So we do not have a huge War on our hands. Not to mention Russia needs that lands oil or the Russian people economically will be hit hard in years to come. because they could cut off Russian oil. and Ukraine will become king of oil and gas. That's why Jews like Zelensky demand war regardless and he is 100% invested in getting hugely rich himself and could not give a rats about the people at all, that's why the Jews have created the idiot Nazis for years in Ukraine, to be their thugs and a scape goat if things go wrong. Just as it was in WW2 but as W Churchill said WW2 was all about winning Markets, they could of won the war without firing a shot, but they wanted to win markets ? WC said he did not give a rats that they were Nazis or Communist in fact that was not an issue.
 

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Seriously can you just answer the question. What should have the Ukrainians done in the beginning of the invasion. From a Christian standpoint?

Really can you just answer without the dodge ball game.

Talk about thick :IDK:...how many times do I have to tell you the same thing....
What the world does is none of my business.....BECAUSE I am “no part of the world” as Jesus was, and so I have no say in what actions they take, for whatever reasons they may take them. My brotherhood in both nations are affected and so a good many of them have fled to neighboring countries....to find their brothers waiting to take them in and look after them.

Because the propaganda from both sides is designed to make people support one or the other, one is painted as the bad guy and the other is the good guy.....it forces people to take sides but none of it is based on truth. Both lie through their teeth. So what they do has nothing to do with me and I stopped watching MSM a long time ago.

And by the way this misguided patriot has zero weapons guns etc.
Your actions and thoughts have nothing to do with me.....I am not your judge.
 
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I think Christians here should at least try to remain more neutral and balanced in this conflict, both Russia and Ukraine are Christian nations, I have my own strong opinions, but I'd rather not share them here and now; I am simply saddened and horrified that Europe has erupted into fresh war. Did they not learn their lessons after the Second World War?? I always saw Russia ideally as the big polar bear protecting Ukraine, the baby polar bear and its little brother.

Regarding the gun issue and responsibility...these issues make me conflicted also.

For example - the drinking age, some liberals want to lower the drinking age, others want to raise it even further, while still other liberals want it to remain locked at 21. I have no idea what most conservatives think about that. I think some other countries don't have drinking ages, or that you're allowed to "drink" alcohol at almost any age, but you can't purchase alcohol until a certain age. I don't really care because I don't really drink personally, it's related to spiritual reasons, and I just have no real interest in alcohol.

But I am aware that drinking before college for example is extremely widespread and popular, even a rite of passage in lots of societies. There are also other arguments to consider, such as drunk driving and car accidents, as well as the risk of affecting education and development. The point being that people will always drink whenever they want to, and so I'm not sure whether making the laws stricter or more lenient will have much effect.

With guns though...I don't know. I mean, you guys must also have relatives or children / grandchildren who are around the age of these perpetrators of these recent horrible events. Do you think they are mature and responsible enough to use a lethal weapon, would you personally trust them with one?
As for driving licence I remember that I greatly despised that I had to be treated like I was at 16yo, because we could not get a licence until you are 17yo, they made it hell for me to get about for work.
As for Gun Laws that's rubbish as well, I had a gun from before I can remember a air rifle and a 22 bolt action, but I was educated about the rules of using a Gun explicitly, what was and was not tolerated regarding such, it was demanded ! and all my mates on the land were the same but for the city kids who always feared guns and never had any grounding instilled into them about responsibility's,
I bought my first car at 13yo and drove around the paddocks.
I worked from 7yo with men on job sites, so you had to learn your place or else ! They were not nice people at all, they demanded standards be met or else.

People have to get a licence for working in a Trade in Australia now but that means bugger all if they are any good at it truly, I know many a idiot with such a licence and not to mention it's the same with any licence many Car drivers are hopeless in fact and the proof of that is everywhere !
Not to mention Gun licence is the same, I know one idiot mate down the road that should not have one at all for a fact, because he is a 5yo in the brain, he is not mature enough and mentally unstable to have a gun in fact but he has guns :rolleyes:. The nonsense that he has tolled me is astounding pathetic ! I was more mature than him when I was 7yo in fact. but I know many men of any age who are truly just like boys in the head that have never matured, I think it because they have never been called upon to take charge of themselves to be responsible. Stand up and be responsible for your actions ! for crying out loud, not admitting to ones mistakes etc but passing the buck on to others as I hate that ! I rather one stand up and admit, because I respect that in a man. everyone has the capacity to grow and that's the deal, the essence.
 

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I am very pro gun but these kids today are just not mentally mature enough to handle firearms. It is like the youth are regressing or at least maturing very late. Decades of socialistic coddling have resulted in broken youth that cannot handle the stress of life. Kids are bullied to the point of snapping and killing people. In my days a bully was handled with fists not guns. I cannot believe I am saying this but I almost think raising the age to at least 21 would be a very good idea. But at the same time if you give these people an inch they will take a mile. One day it is raising the age of firearms purchases and the next you are being forced to hand over every gun you have or face prison.
 
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Talk about thick :IDK:...how many times do I have to tell you the same thing....
What the world does is none of my business.....BECAUSE I am “no part of the world” as Jesus was, and so I have no say in what actions they take, for whatever reasons they may take them. My brotherhood in both nations are affected and so a good many of them have fled to neighboring countries....to find their brothers waiting to take them in and look after them.

Because the propaganda from both sides is designed to make people support one or the other, one is pained as the bad guy and the other is the good guy.....it forces people to take sides but none of it is based on truth. Both lie through their teeth. So what they do has nothing to do with me and I stopped watching MSM a long time ago.


Your actions and thoughts have nothing to do with me.....I am not your judge.
Thank you for answering, so your opinion is both sides are at fault because of propaganda. Well I remember when it all started. Putin for months built up his forces on the border, saying he can have his forces anywhere in his country what's the big deal the propaganda started. the world soon found out why putin had all those tanks on ukraines border. Putin attacked Ukraine simple as that.

The last part, your not my judge but you sure did assume I had guns.
 

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Media and technology making the new generation go crazy, the information overload.
"The United States has so much information, and so little knowledge." (Bashar Assad, President of the Syrian Arab Republic)

(So what are we to make of this insight....?)
 

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"The United States has so much information, and so little knowledge." (Bashar Assad, President of the Syrian Arab Republic)

(So what are we to make of this insight....?)
I don't put much weight in a guy who dropped 300 chemical bombs on his own people another madman with no knowledge.
 

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Jane, I much understand your frustration and concern, but for better or worse, this is part of American culture, and cannot be easily changed in the near future. Nor is it true that only Republicans are for guns, but Democrats are 99% against them. Even I have several liberal friends who are nevertheless fairly pro-gun, and even online, there are quite a few Democrats who are also for the Second Amendment.

My point is, before trying to convince the Republicans to do something about this, you should also check the views of the Democrats; they are NOT always necessarily the same. American society and politics are very complicated, especially nowadays.
From the Bible's point of view, 'a house divided cannot stand' (Mark 3:24-25)....and because of the political divisions of those who claim to be "Christians", I see that satan has sucked people into his world by his lying propaganda and the emotional appeal of indoctrinated "King and Country".....Christians should be, not just "more neutral and balanced" but completely "neutral and balanced", with regard to politics.

If 1 John 5:19 says that "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"...how much of the world does that leave untouched by him? He thrives on division of all kinds....political, religious, economic, racial, and social.....but Jesus can use division for his own ends....
At Luke 12:49-54..... Jesus said...
I came to start a fire on the earth, and what more is there for me to wish if it has already been lit? 50 Indeed, I have a baptism with which to be baptized, and how I am distressed until it is finished! 51 Do you think I came to give peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 For from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” (see also Matthew 10:34-39)

This is the only division that counts.....the separating of the "sheep" from the "goats"....the "wheat" from the "weeds"....even in the same household.

Think back to how this division was first seen in Jewish households when some chose to follow Jesus at his first appearance, and were ostracized by their families.
It's happening again now, when Jesus is to return as judge. This time it is "Christian" against "Christian" but calling Jesus your "Lord" is not enough as Jesus highlighted in Matthew 7:21-23. It is those who profess to be "Christians" but who fail to behave as "Christians" in obedience to their Master, who will suffer rejection.

Again, I think it has much to do with America's increasingly secular and anti-Christian culture in general. For example, there was a rapper guy who made a popular music video about lynching a white child, I think, several years ago, to protest against "racism", the violence and division and hatred on all levels in American society has gotten very extreme. :(
Ill feeling still festers beneath the surface in all conquered lands IMO....the indigenous people resent the conquerors ways and laws and language that were forced on them. And the conquerors still treat the traditional owners as uneducated morons, to be 'tolerated' rather than embraced.

The way things are in Australia at present, the traditional owners are being elevated to acceptance, but the festering hatred still simmers beneath the surface from both camps. Its time to make all citizens just one nationality, forget race and color, and treat each other with respect as we are all God's creation. We are not sanctioned by God to kill our fellow humans just because their politics or race is different from our own. To me, that is the true test of "Christianity".....we must remain neutral....uninvolved in the turmoil and bloodshed of satan's world.

Matthew 5:5-9...
"Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God
."

"Peacemakers" are not just "peace keepers"....there is a big difference. *Making* peace, comes from a heart that refuses to hate.