I see what you mean but you are reading things into me that I've never said. I don't trust in my own thoughts or my expericnes.
Yes, I believe your thoughts and experiences is what you are trusting in and you have created your own version of Jesus to trust in. You basically said you been down that road before in trying to obey God to be saved and implied it did not work out for you. Seeing the Bible teaches we do have to overcome sin in this life to enter His Kingdom, it then becomes your thoughts and experiences that rules over what the Bible plainly says.
Peter talks about false prophets who cannot cease from sin.
“Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:” (2 Peter 2:14).
As I told you before, Jesus said that the slave (slave to sin) will not abide in the house (the house of Christ) forever (See: John 8:34-35).
Jesus said the the Ninevites will rise up in judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah.
If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would see that the Ninevites cried out unto God and forsaken their evil ways. But it was not until they had put away their wickedness when God had decided to not bring wrath or punishment upon them. Read John 3:6-10.
John the Baptist says bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. He said the axe is laid to the root of the tree and any tree that does not bring froth good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Meaning, one has to do good and obey God as a part of not being condemned by Him) (See: Luke 3).
Paul says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God (2 Corinthians 7:1).
Paul says he keeps his body under subjection unless while he preached to others he could be a cast away (1 Corinthians 9:27).
Meaning, if Paul did not keep his body from sinning, he could be a cast away (not saved) as he preached to others. Paul did not say he would sin again as a matter of fact and he would be okay with God as long as he confessed his sin and hated it alone.
You said:
I know what they are but I don't trust in them. I only trust in believing Jesus is the Christ and that He fogirves me of sinning by confessing to Him. And I also agree that Christians can be faithful in all things at all times, but I am not one of them and I stopped trusting in that to be saved by.
Right, that’s pretty much the majority of Christianity today.
Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and few be there that find it.
Jesus said strive to enter the straight gate.
Saying we are going to sin again does not sound like one is striving to enter the straight gate; Especially when Jesus in context talks about casting out those who do iniquity.
So okay. Lets check your belief and see if it makes sense.
What if Bob’s sin was the murder of people.
What if he struggled not to do this sin and yet Bob did hate this sin every time he did it.
What if Bob confessed his sin and he strived to not do this sin but yet he said he will do it again because he cannot help himself but to sin (murder) again.
Just replace any other sin in this list besides murder.
Rape, child abuse, theft, idolatry, etcetera.
Does it really make it better if we just say we will always sin if we just hate it in these cases?
I don’t believe so.
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If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1.8)
What is helpful in understanding 1 John 1:8 is looking at its immediate context. 1 John 1:10 says if we say we have not sinned. 1 John 1:10 switches gears from 1 John 1:8 in regards to time; John talks about the declaration on committing sin in verse 8 (which is present tense) to a declaration on committing sin being a past declaration (with verse 10). Verse 10 is saying there are people who said they have not sinned (past tense). This is clearly a gnostic belief. Why? Well, most believers today hold to the idea that they have sinned as a part of their old life before coming to Christ (Regardless of whether they are “OSAS,” a “Sin and still be saved” type believer, or a “Conditional Salvationist”). So this clearly is a “gnostic belief” that John was warning the brethren about (See 1 John 2:26). 1 John 1:8 is a present declaration of sin. It is saying if we say we have no sin when we do sin (present tense). This has to be the interpretative understanding of this verse because 1 John 2:4 says if we say we know Him and do not keep His commandments we are a liar and the truth is not in us. The OSAS's interpretation on 1 John 1:8 does not work because it conflicts with a normal reading on 1 John 2:3-4. You cannot always be in sin (breaking God's commands) as a part of 1 John 1:8 and yet also fulfill 1 John 2:3 that says we can have an assurance of knowing Him if we keep His commandments. Especially when 1 John 2:4 says we are a liar and the truth is not in us if we break his commandments. In other words, if the OSAS interpretation on 1 John 1:8 was true, then I would be damned if I do by obeying God's commands (1 John 1:8) and yet I would be damned if I don't by not obeying God's commands (1 John 2:4).
In fact, the New English Translation says this for 1 John 1:8,
"If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." (1 John 1:8 NET).
In other words, this verse is saying that if a person sins and says they do not bear the guilt of sin (in the sense that they will not have to face any wrath or Judgment from God over their sin) then they would be deceiving themselves and the truth would not be in them. This is exactly what the Eternal Security proposes. They are saying that they do not bear the guilt of any sin (destruction of their soul and body in hell fire) if they do sin because they believe their future sins are paid for by Jesus. They are saying, they do not bear the guilt or the punishment of sin at the final Judgment because of their belief on Jesus. In short, 1 John 1:8 is a denial of the existence of sin on some level. “If we say we have no sin (in the sense that it does not exist) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8). Christian Scientists think sin is an illusion and does not exist at all. So this verse would apply to them. Eternal Security Proponents and those who deny that “Sin Can Separate a Believer from God” deny the existence of sin partially. They believe sin exists physically but they do not believe sin exists for them on a spiritual level because Jesus has forgiven them of all their sin by their belief on Jesus. In fact, to see just how silly your argument actually is for 1 John 1:8, you would have to believe that you are sinning right now at this very moment in order for such a verse to be true because 1 John 1:8 is speaking in the present tense.
John prescribes that we do not think that sin is an illusion, and we are automatically saved, but John is telling us to "sin not" and go to our advocate Jesus Christ (1 John 2:1), and confess our sins so as to be forgiven of sin and to be cleansed of all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). How can you confess and be forgiven of sin if all your future sin is paid for? It makes no sense.
You can say that John is talking about a break of fellowship by one's sins and not a loss of salvation, but that would not be consistent with Scripture. 1 John 5:12 says he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life.
