I told you. Why didn't you believe me?
How do you know your traditions are true?
the authority of Christ
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
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I told you. Why didn't you believe me?
How do you know your traditions are true?
He is risen!
right there is no new doctrine!
it is all revealed by Christ to his church Jude 1:3 even though it’s not defined by holy mother church for centuries.
example
mother of God not defined until the council of Ephesus 431 but is still part of the sacred deposit of faith Jude 1:3
Wrong again. All doctrine is found in the Word. If it is not in Scripture, it is not Godly doctrine.
We conform to his LIFE not his death.Scripture says we conform to Christ and him crucified
1 cor 1:23
1 cor 2:2
Gal 3:1
Christ did not authenticate your traditions.the authority of Christ
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
The private interpretation of the “Bible alone” does not and cannot and will not lead to a unity of faith! 2 Pet 1:20
eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Jn 1:16-17 fullness of Christ!
Not scripture alone, but what the prophets spoke! And Christ explaining the scriptures, and we also are disciples, Christ also opens the scripture to us thru His church by the teaching authority of the apostles!
basically it is the Bible is our only authority that implies a personal interpretation also
acts 8 the eunuch had scripture God sent an apostle to teach him
not Bible alone and a personal interpretation!
example: of the word of God not in the Bible alone!
Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Or
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
Christ did not authenticate your traditions.
We conform to his LIFE not his death.
You cite 1 Corinthians 1:23 but forgot 1 Corinthians 1:24, where Paul has focused on the power of God. And in that context, the specific act of power Paul has in mind is the resurrection of Christ Jesus from the dead. That is, the Father's power to maintain human life. Even if a person should die, he is able to bring him back to life. The same idea appears in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 and Galatians chapter 3.
Unlike the Catholic church, which depicts Christ crucified with an image of a man nailed to a cross, Paul depicted Christ crucified with signs and miracles depicting GOD's power. Unlike your so-called apostles, who perform pagan rituals to impress the crowds, the true apostles of Jesus Christ performed the works of an apostle. Acts 2:43. Acts 5:12, 2 Corinthians 12:12 When Paul preached Christ crucified, God the Father authenticated his word by signs and wonders and miracles.
Would you like to become one of his disciples? Can you acknowledge that Christ has risen from the dead? Can you believe that God has the power to raise someone else from the dead? Can you accept the idea that God will forgive your sins?
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
we must also suffer with him
Christian suffering!
Patience Implies suffering!
In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!
John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Verses of Christian suffering:
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Rev 2: 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Rev 2:23 .....I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
I agree. that is why so many rebelled againstr Romanism and its private interpretation. But true believers hav a unity even though they may be sacttered throughout all teh denominations and disagree in areas.
But Mary as Queen is notr found in Scriptures, nor is her virginbity8 anor no other children. These are made up concepts done by falsely pios philosophy.
The Scriptures were given us by the Ho;ly spirit. The Apostles were mere obedient slaves in writing what God commanded them to write!
Personal interpretations are sin! Peter the Apostle whopm you revere as the first Pontificus Maximus said no teaching of teh Scripture is of any private interpretation!
We may have many applications from a verse, but there is only one interpretation of a verse.
Yes the eunuch had not heard of Jesus and needed to be taught how teh SCripture applied. That does not give any pope the right to privately interpret any scripture.
Not wishing to be insulting but we only know of these because they became SCripture! You are taking an example of things that were in the process of Scripture being formed! But the canon of Scripture is closed and there is no more addition to th eWord of God.
And do you think these "paradosis" were things not found in the Bible?
Yes Paul told us all who will live godly in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution, but what is you rpoint here????????
Paul is speaking about the traditions he and the twelve taught them. He is not authenticate Catholic traditions.2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
rev 12:1 Mary is queen
And found favor with God Lk 1:30
Received half his kingdom
The queen of mercy
we are called to suffer
Required for salvation and glorification
Phil 1:29
Is Sunday school, tent meetings, revivals, communion of first Sunday in the NT?
Same traditions Paul is catholicPaul is speaking about the traditions he and the twelve taught them. He is not authenticate Catholic traditions.
The only one you got correct is number 2
The woman clothed with the sun is a symbol for Israel and she is never called queen. The crown is not a diadem of roylaty but a stephanos or voctors crown which is not a royal crown.
Things you should know if you studied Gods Inspired Woprd.
Never got anything of a kingdom. NOt in Gods Word, but Mans Word.
never for salvation.
No and they are not scriptural either like Purgatory, Perpewtual virginity, holy days of obligations etc.etc. these are man made. Organizations can make these rules for their denominations, but to say they are a sin against God is anti-God.
You are not correct in the above. The scriptures were written down as soon as people were able.Why only when it was written down decades later
You are not correct in the above. The scriptures were written down as soon as people were able.
KJV Luke 1:1-2
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
And not just the other gospels. And apart from John's gospel, it is fairly certain they were all written before 70ad. Those many who had written down those events and preaching etc they witnessed, of course weren't gospels, but they were eye witness testimony, and possibly used by the gospel writers as source material.
But the entire purpose of this thread is designed for one thing. To add veracity to claims by the Vatican that she also has the infallible word of God, spoken and written down in the form of canons and dogmas. But posts in forums and web sites and blogs are the only, repeat only, means by which Catholicism can give credence to the idea. As if God changed His mind regarding the major doctrines of scripture, correcting the apostles through the writings and "inspired" words of Popes. Sorry guys, but it doesn't hold up. Not even for a moment.