Jesus Christ is come in flesh of man, not of angels

[Ghada]

Jesus Christ is come in the same flesh and blood of all men, not in the strange flesh of an angel or spirit.

Heb 1 is all about debunking the worshipping of angels, to the point of making Jesus Christ an angel come in the flesh.

The false-christ creators aside, this most importantly debunks the lie of man's flesh now being made with sin.

The lie of Christ now making man's flesh with sin aside, this debunks the false interpretation, that He was born of a virgin in order to not have the flesh of sinful man.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man, not of angels, nor of any other kind of flesh.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh of man, then Jesus Christ was not a man of flesh and blood.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.

Man is made of the same flesh and blood from the beginning. There is one flesh and one blood for all man, beginning with the first Adam and continuing with the second Adam and all men today and in between.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and one blood of all men of all nations, then He is not come as a man, and was not a man. But is come as an angel, as the JW's say, or is come as a spirit as Docetics say, but not as a man as the Bible says.

Teaching that Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and blood of all man, is saying He is come in the flesh, but not that of man nor as a man.

We see how one false doctrine leads to another and another, until antichrist does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

But as always we can give thanks to God's Bible to always state the truth plainly for them that believe.

After the flesh, Jesus Christ was made with the same one flesh and one blood and one seed of all men. By David and Abraham and Noah and Adam.

The man Christ Jesus is indeed come as man, not as an angel nor spirit with another kind of flesh and blood, that is not any man's.

To say that Jesus's body was made of another kind of flesh, than that of man, is to say David's lineage by Abraham was also not the same flesh and blood of all men.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus Christ is come in the same flesh and blood of all men, not in the strange flesh of an angel or spirit.

Heb 1 is all about debunking the worshipping of angels, to the point of making Jesus Christ an angel come in the flesh.

The false-christ creators aside, this most importantly debunks the lie of man's flesh now being made with sin.

The lie of Christ now making man's flesh with sin aside, this debunks the false interpretation, that He was born of a virgin in order to not have the flesh of sinful man.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man, not of angels, nor of any other kind of flesh.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh of man, then Jesus Christ was not a man of flesh and blood.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.

Man is made of the same flesh and blood from the beginning. There is one flesh and one blood for all man, beginning with the first Adam and continuing with the second Adam and all men today and in between.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and one blood of all men of all nations, then He is not come as a man, and was not a man. But is come as an angel, as the JW's say, or is come as a spirit as Docetics say, but not as a man as the Bible says.

Teaching that Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and blood of all man, is saying He is come in the flesh, but not that of man nor as a man.

We see how one false doctrine leads to another and another, until antichrist does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

But as always we can give thanks to God's Bible to always state the truth plainly for them that believe.

After the flesh, Jesus Christ was made with the same one flesh and one blood and one seed of all men. By David and Abraham and Noah and Adam.

The man Christ Jesus is indeed come as man, not as an angel nor spirit with another kind of flesh and blood, that is not any man's.

To say that Jesus's body was made of another kind of flesh, than that of man, is to say David's lineage by Abraham was also not the same flesh and blood of all men.

Certainly there are those who may believe that Jesus came in another form of flesh than that of all men since Adam, but it would appear that you believe that all man are not born children of sin accursed...which they/we are, as it is written "each by his kind." Is that what you believe?

Even so, you make a good point--indeed, Jesus Christ has/is come in the flesh as a man and of the same flesh.

 

[Jack]

Jesus Christ is come in the same flesh and blood of all men, not in the strange flesh of an angel or spirit.

Heb 1 is all about debunking the worshipping of angels, to the point of making Jesus Christ an angel come in the flesh.

The false-christ creators aside, this most importantly debunks the lie of man's flesh now being made with sin.

The lie of Christ now making man's flesh with sin aside, this debunks the false interpretation, that He was born of a virgin in order to not have the flesh of sinful man.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man, not of angels, nor of any other kind of flesh.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh of man, then Jesus Christ was not a man of flesh and blood.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.

Man is made of the same flesh and blood from the beginning. There is one flesh and one blood for all man, beginning with the first Adam and continuing with the second Adam and all men today and in between.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and one blood of all men of all nations, then He is not come as a man, and was not a man. But is come as an angel, as the JW's say, or is come as a spirit as Docetics say, but not as a man as the Bible says.

Teaching that Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and blood of all man, is saying He is come in the flesh, but not that of man nor as a man.

We see how one false doctrine leads to another and another, until antichrist does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

But as always we can give thanks to God's Bible to always state the truth plainly for them that believe.

After the flesh, Jesus Christ was made with the same one flesh and one blood and one seed of all men. By David and Abraham and Noah and Adam.

The man Christ Jesus is indeed come as man, not as an angel nor spirit with another kind of flesh and blood, that is not any man's.

To say that Jesus's body was made of another kind of flesh, than that of man, is to say David's lineage by Abraham was also not the same flesh and blood of all men.

Don't JW's claim that Jesus is an angel?

 

[Ghada]

Certainly there are those who may believe that Jesus came in another form of flesh than that of all men since Adam

True. They same Adam was made of another kind of 'immortal' flesh from the natural dust of the earth. Which in itself is contradictory, since neither dust not flesh can inherit the kingdom of God and live forever.

And so, that also say Jesus was also born of an immortal unnatrual kind of flesh likewise. Which means He was not come in the flesh of man but of immortal bodies of 'angels' or 'spirits', etc...

They are ignorantly preach Jesus as a pagan demigod of old, whose bodies were unlike other noral schlubs, because they were born of the seed of the gods.

And why? Just so they can justify their sinning with the natural flesh and blood, by blaming it on their hapless 'sinful' bodies.

, but it would appear that you believe that all man are not born children of sin accursed...

Of course not. But then I've already instructed you plenty of times how Christ is not a maker of anything sinful, nor anything with sin 'in it'. Still waiting for a response.

I really do wonder how many parents actually look at their newborn babes, and say, "Oh you're such a cute little sin cursed devil, aren't you!"

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:

Nothing sinful about anything Christ makes naturally mortal, whether flesh or grass.

which they/we are, as it is written "each by his kind." Is that what you believe?

The shape of man made by Christ gives birth to the shape of man in the womb.

Bears bear the shape of bears.

Even so, you make a good point--indeed, Jesus Christ has/is come in the flesh as a man and of the same flesh.

Thank you and true. Nothing sinful about any man nor bear flesh.

It's what we do with out flesh that can be sinful or righteous.

Bears of course just do what Christ makes bears to do, which are not made in His Spirit's image.

 

[Ghada]

Don't JW's claim that Jesus is an angel?

Exactly. The 'first' created angel, who was 'first' to be begotten of 'Jehovah'. They preach an Optimus Prime demigod for their Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

I've learned some people teach things, that the Bible openly condemns, because they don't care about the Bible in the first place, but only their personal beliefs. What's really at stake for them is covering their consciences with their own doctrines.

With the JW's it's all about their OT 'Jehovah', and they really don't care one bit about their created pseudo christ-angel. They are just wanna be OT Hebrews and Jews, with a sprinkle of NT law over Moses.

I've learned their christ is only a foil for doing away with eternal torment for any man. They actually preach a natural religion of the soul and body being the same, so that when the body goes to the grave, so does the soul with it. It's just more oblivion blather.

However, they certainly do live holiness to the T. They do make for good law-abiding Pharisees for sure. Just not Christians walking with our Lord and God Jesus in the Spirit and His light.

 

[ScottA]

True. They same Adam was made of another kind of 'immortal' flesh from the natural dust of the earth. Which in itself is contradictory, since neither dust not flesh can inherit the kingdom of God and live forever.

And so, that also say Jesus was also born of an immortal unnatrual kind of flesh likewise. Which means He was not come in the flesh of man but of immortal bodies of 'angels' or 'spirits', etc...

They are ignorantly preach Jesus as a pagan demigod of old, whose bodies were unlike other noral schlubs, because they were born of the seed of the gods.

And why? Just so they can justify their sinning with the natural flesh and blood, by blaming it on their hapless 'sinful' bodies.

That is a lot of different subjects.

In any case, it would seem that you are under some misunderstanding of what has occurred with Christ in His first being born of flesh and then proving to be immortal, and the implications of just what that means for the rest of us who come to make up His body.

It would seem that you mean that in being saved our flesh bodies are given the ability not to sin. That is not the case. On the contrary, our bodies were always given the ability to live without sinning, and yet none except Christ has proven to do so. Paul even explained his own struggle after being saved on the road to Damascus--making him the actual example of what is true, rather than Jesus being the example. Which is the reality of Jesus being "the only begotten Son" of the Father--which we are not--except "in Christ."

In other words, Jesus gave His body of flesh to we the church, saying, "take, eat, this is My body", meaning He did not ascend to the Father in His flesh, but first laid it down to be taken up by the Church. And yet, that does not mean that in doing so we gain the ability to do what is only possible by Him who was not condemned for Himself having overcome sin--and not us.

The matter of our salvation then becomes one of our completing and living out our lives of condemnation in the flesh, while awaiting our own ascension "in Him" and of His spirit, having been born again of the spirit of God--which is not one with our own flesh, but One with God by One spirit. Thus, our flesh is not free from sin, but our newly born spirit body "in Him" is. Therefore, if we are "in Christ", it is not our flesh that is in Christ (or sinless), but only our new spirit in Him...which in the end means the death of the flesh and its returning to the dust where it will be destroyed with fervent heat and with fire among the elements of this [old] earth.

So, no, we make no excuse for our body of sin, but confess our sins in spite of the continual war between the flesh and our newborn spirit until the passing of the flesh; and having passed from death to life in the spirit, we have also gone from loving to sin to hating it, in spite of our own inability to change in the flesh what is still condemned by God and prone to sin, though it is no longer accounted against us.

 

[ScottA]

Of course not. But then I've already instructed you plenty of times how Christ is not a maker of anything sinful, nor anything with sin 'in it'. Still waiting for a response.

I really do wonder how many parents actually look at their newborn babes, and say, "Oh you're such a cute little sin cursed devil, aren't you!"

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:

Nothing sinful about anything Christ makes naturally mortal, whether flesh or grass.

And I in turn have instructed you as to the actual truth--apparently to no avail, that no...but rather since Adam, all that is created of God is the fulfilment of:

Matthew 10:26​

There is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.​

 

[ScottA]

The shape of man made by Christ gives birth to the shape of man in the womb.

Bears bear the shape of bears.

And here you have left out the shape of sinful Adam...as if all men are "the only begotten Son of God."

Which is biblically impossible and not true.

 

[Ghada]

And here you have left out the shape of sinful Adam...

How do I leave out the shape of Adam by referring to his shape from the dust made by Christ?

You try to make being made in God's image by the shape of the body. This make an idol of man's physical body.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

The image of God created with man, is man's spiritual soul and heart, not our natural mortal bodies.

as if all men are "the only begotten Son of God."

Which is biblically impossible and not true.

True, if it were true, and it's not, because man's physical shape is not the image of God, who is Spirit. Nor is the image of God in Christ Jesus the flesh He came in. The exact image of God's Person is the spiritual soul and heart of God, not His immortal body that no man has yet to see.

The Word and Son came with a body in the image and likeness of man, which is the body God shaped in the beginning, and now from the womb.

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Paul also rebuked the notion of any man having an immortal body like that of angels.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Jesus came in the same natural flesh of all men, and not with the immortal nature of angels' bodies. Neither Adam was made with immortal flesh and blood. Nor is any man's flesh and blood made sinful by Christ from the womb.

He came in natural mortal flesh made by the Spirit from Mary's womb by the seed of David, which is the exact same seed and blood had by Adam, when Christ shaped and formed him from the dust of the earth.

And so He did not come in an angel's immortal body, nor in the shape of a whole or chimpanzee, but in the same shape of all men made by Him yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

 

[Ghada]

And I in turn have instructed you as to the actual truth--apparently to no avail, that no...but rather since Adam, all that is created of God is the fulfilment of:

Matthew 10:26​

There is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.​

I suppose it could be to my avail, if it had anything to do with the argument at hand about flesh having sin in it.

Christ is the Maker of all flesh and does not make anything with sin in it. He is not a Maker of anything sinful.

 

[ScottA]

The image of God created with man, is man's spiritual soul and heart, not our natural mortal bodies.

Nearly every point you make needs to be corrected.

On the contrary to what you state above, what is seen of man is not the spirit of the man, for this is what is actually true, as it is written:

John 3:8​

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”​

 

[ScottA]

I suppose it could be to my avail, if it had anything to do with the argument at hand about flesh having sin in it.

Christ is the Maker of all flesh and does not make anything with sin in it. He is not a Maker of anything sinful.

That is not true or what is written--you are under the wrong impression.

On the contrary, Eve sinned and gave birth to children of sin.

As for Christ/God not being "a Maker of anything sinful", here is what is actually true and written:

Isaiah 45:7​

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.’​

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus Christ is come in flesh of man, not of angels​

Ohhh, do angels have flesh? I thought they were ministering spirits!

 

[Ghada]

Jesus Christ is come in flesh of man, not of angels​

Ohhh, do angels have flesh? I thought they were ministering spirits!

Good point. Yes, they have in the Bible record. Not from the womb, but instantly with temporary flesh and blood bodies recognized by men as that of men.

They still come into the world temporarily sent by God as strangers to be entertained unwares. (Heb 13:2)

The point being that Jesus was not an angel coming in the temporary bodies of angels, but in the natural born flesh and blood of men and women.

 

[Ghada]

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

This states the obvious to them that believe in angels: By nature men have mortal natural bodies, and the nature of angels' spirit-bodies is immortal.

The juxtaposition made in the verse, is between the nature of angel's bodies and that of men: Immortal vs mortal

Immortal bodies, including that of flesh, are made on earth only for angels, not for men with natural flesh and blood from the dust and the womb.

The theology that Adam and Jesus came into the world with immortal bodies, de facto teaches that they were the same bodies prepared for angels, who did walk for a season on earth for a season, and also come temporarily to be entertained unawares.

The Bible ties the lie of Jesus being an angel from heaven to His body. It declares that Jesus' body prepared for Him by the Spirit in the womb of Mary, was not after the nature of angels, which is immortal, but that of all men by the natural seed of the man Abraham, which is mortal.

The Christ did at times have a body of immortal flesh temporarily on earth, as that of visiting angels, but not from the womb of Mary. Nor did Adam have an immortal body prepared by Christ from the dust of the earth.

To teach that Adam and Jesus had immortal flesh after the nature of angels, contradicts the verse of Heb 2, and instead makes them as angels coming down from heaven.

The Word indeed came down from heaven, but humbled Himself as a natural born man, and did not take on Him a body with the immortal nature of angels, but rather with mortal nature of all men.

Conclusion: The Christian theology of Adam and Jesus coming into the world with 'original' sin-free immortal bodies vs the sin-infested mortal bodies of all other men, is de facto preaching Adam and Jesus are both as angels from heaven. If the Word came down from heaven with an immortal body prepared from Him, like that of Adam, then Adam was also an angel come down from heaven.

If Jesus is called the 2nd Adam by specific reason of coming in the same immortal flesh of the Adam, then the 2nd Adam as the first, was also an angel coming down to live as a man on earth.

That would of course include Eve as an angel coming in the flesh by the immortal rib of Adam.

All flesh on earth, whether mortal for natural born creatures, or of immortal nature for angels, are 'sin-free'. Sin has nothing to do with any body of any creature in heaven and on earth, which are all made by the Spirit of Christ, including His own.

Jesus' body prepared for Him from the flesh of Mary in her womb, was as a natural any man and woman's body made of the same seed of Adam.

The genealogy of Jesus natural born body was the seed of David and Abraham in the womb of Mary, which of course is the same mortal seed of Noah and Adam.

 

[Ghada]

In any case, it would seem that you are under some misunderstanding of what has occurred with Christ in His first being born of flesh and then proving to be immortal,

Naturally mortal flesh and blood is never proven to be immortal, nor can inherit the kingdom of God.

Only resurrected bodies of flesh and bone are immortal, just as the spirit-bodies of angels.

and the implications of just what that means for the rest of us who come to make up His body.

It means we must walk as He walks unto the end, in order to be likewise resurrected from the dead as Him.

It would seem that you mean that in being saved our flesh bodies are given the ability not to sin.

If you're going to discuss things with me, then you need to get rid of your ideology, that our bodies have any power, ability, or will of it's own.

On the contrary, our bodies were always given the ability to live without sinning,

All men are given ability to not sin with their bodies. True. We choose either to do good or evil with the body.

and yet none except Christ has proven to do so.

True. Jesus was the only man sinless without sinning from the cradle to the grave. Now only them repented and receiving Him are doing so through Him.

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

That, of course, doesn't include sinning.

Paul even explained his own struggle after being saved on the road to Damascus--

You need to jettison this stuff too. The writer of Romans was a holy man of God moved by the Holy Ghost, as were all prophets and apostles of the Lord. Though they may well have experienced double heartedness at some time, it certainly was not at the time of being fit for the Master's use. No one sinning against God is also usable to write His pure words.

God writes with clean, straight, and sure pens only.

Christians can become double hearted sinners, but teaching it for life is only for unrepented double hearted sinners.

 

[Ghada]

making him the actual example of what is true, rather than Jesus being the example.

Well now, another new one for the error list, that I've not seen before. Thanks.

You are saying a bad example is more of an example to man than the good example.

Jesus isn't the really true example for all men, but double hearted sinners are.

That may be your christ example, but certainly not mine.

 

[Ghada]

Which is the reality of Jesus being "the only begotten Son" of the Father--which we are not--except "in Christ."

This is partly true. Even as the Father said to His Son on earth, "Thou art my Son. This day have I begotten thee", so He says the same to all them that repent and are begotten again by Him in Christ Jesus.

But, He does not say to us, Thou are my only begotten Son, nor Son, but son.

In other words, Jesus gave His body of flesh to we the church, saying, "take, eat, this is My body",

Corrected this enough times with you. Jesus' resurrected body was not left behind, when ascending to the Father.

meaning He did not ascend to the Father in His flesh,

Yes. Flesh and bones Lamb in the throne room, with marks of cross.

but first laid it down to be taken up by the Church.

He laid His life and body down on the cross, to take it up again from the grave.

No man takes up Jesus body from the gave but Jesus.

We only take up our own cross and old man's life.

And yet, that does not mean that in doing so

Not done nor doing so.

The matter of our salvation then becomes one of our completing and living out our lives of condemnation in the flesh,

Spare me. Living in Christ Jesus is the rest of our days living as he, and like He, not condemned for sinning with the flesh.

while awaiting our own ascension "in Him" and of His spirit, having been born again of the spirit of God--

You're hope of being pure born of Him and walking as He walks after the grave. is the vain hope of unrepented Christian sinners.

God does not grant any repentance from dead works in the grave nor after. No purgatory.

As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

which is not one with our own flesh, but One with God by One spirit.

Our own soul and spirit one with Him now. Our own resurrected flesh and bones one with Him then.

Thus, our flesh is not free from sin,

Flesh can have fleas, but not sin. If you want me to respect you as a mature responsible adult, you're going to have to stop implicating your body in your sinning with it against God.

but our newly born spirit body "in Him" is.

Spiritually pure and outwardly corrupt is delusional theology.

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Therefore, if we are "in Christ", it is not our flesh that is in Christ (or sinless),

All flesh and grass is sinless, being neither sinful nor righteous, but only flesh made and shaped by Christ to house man and beast on earth.

It's the heart and the soul that lusts and sin with the body against God.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

So, no, we make no excuse for our body of sin,

By calling your body sinful with lust and sin in it, you make it the source for your sinning with it. You make your own body responsible in your sinning with it.

Your denials are lip-service to sole personal responsibility for what we do without our bodies on earth.

what is still condemned by God and prone to sin, though it is no longer accounted against us.

in spite of our own inability to change in the flesh

Once again. We don't change the flesh Christ makes for us from the womb. We change what we do with the flesh.

but only our new spirit in Him...which in the end means the death of the flesh and its returning to the dust where it will be destroyed with fervent heat and with fire among the elements of this [old] earth.

You don't believe in the resurrection of the dead body, then you don't believe in the Bible resurrection of the dead.

You show it by not believing Jesus resurrected from the dead with His own flesh and bones.

what is still condemned by God and prone to sin,

Your soul with your body.

 

[Ghada]

and having passed from death to life in the spirit,

we have also gone from loving to sin to hating it,

Passing from death to life in Christ is not by only a hearers change of mind about sin and God. Passing from death in sins and trespasses to life in Christ Jesus is only by change of heart from sinning and trespassing.

It's also lip service to talk about now 'hating' sin while sinning.

He that loved righteousness and hated iniquity, did righteousness and not iniquity.

Once again, it's the all important difference to God, between hearers only changing their minds about sinning, and the doers changing their heart from sinning.

Hearers only still have their old hearts of lust unrepented of lusting and sinning. Repented doers from the heart, have a whole new and pure heart of God given them by Christ Jesus to walk as He walks.

Waiting for the grave to repent and deceive the new covenant born from above promise of a whole new heart born of God, is a day late and dollar short.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

though it is no longer accounted against us.

And concludes with the blind Christ, that cannot see the sinning, that other men on earth see.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them that repent from the heart and walk after the Spirit.

There is therefore now condemnation to them that repent not from the heart and walk after the flesh.

Duh.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Jesus Christ is come in the same flesh and blood of all men, not in the strange flesh of an angel or spirit.

Heb 1 is all about debunking the worshipping of angels, to the point of making Jesus Christ an angel come in the flesh.

The false-christ creators aside, this most importantly debunks the lie of man's flesh now being made with sin.

The lie of Christ now making man's flesh with sin aside, this debunks the false interpretation, that He was born of a virgin in order to not have the flesh of sinful man.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man, not of angels, nor of any other kind of flesh.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh of man, then Jesus Christ was not a man of flesh and blood.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.

Man is made of the same flesh and blood from the beginning. There is one flesh and one blood for all man, beginning with the first Adam and continuing with the second Adam and all men today and in between.

If Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and one blood of all men of all nations, then He is not come as a man, and was not a man. But is come as an angel, as the JW's say, or is come as a spirit as Docetics say, but not as a man as the Bible says.

Teaching that Jesus Christ is not come in the same one flesh and blood of all man, is saying He is come in the flesh, but not that of man nor as a man.

We see how one false doctrine leads to another and another, until antichrist does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

But as always we can give thanks to God's Bible to always state the truth plainly for them that believe.

After the flesh, Jesus Christ was made with the same one flesh and one blood and one seed of all men. By David and Abraham and Noah and Adam.

The man Christ Jesus is indeed come as man, not as an angel nor spirit with another kind of flesh and blood, that is not any man's.

To say that Jesus's body was made of another kind of flesh, than that of man, is to say David's lineage by Abraham was also not the same flesh and blood of all men.

There are cult teachings that teach Jesus was Archangel Michael.

Jesus
,begotten upon his Mother by God, The Word made flesh,was born of Mary,who was of the line of king David. Judaism is passed through the mother.

I think we can argue against cults,cute scripture that revokes those false teachings,and so many other falsities,till we're numb. And that the distracts from keeping our eyes in Christ. And that shadows our peace in him.


Those who live under a false doctrine are many. And responsible for their behaviors. Not us.

I think we should remain in trust and peace in the truth of God's words, and ourselves,as is often demonstrated in any Christian discussion forum, take note of how false doctrinaires appear and pursue the Saints.We , in that effort to change minds on forums, will never lead those living under false doctrine to the light of truth and Christ.

As we know. Because those believers in falsity dig in, assured by our efforts,we are trying to lead them into falsity.

Only God reaches the heart,the mind, that is in the world. As Jesus tells us.
Because the truth of God is foolishness to them. As they prove when they defend,often with sarcasm, personal attacks, their position. And that only reiterates the false spirit that inspires them.

Only the Holy Spirit changes that,because only those God calls find him in Jesus.