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Waiting on him
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Galatians 4:26-31 KJV
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
If you don't mind B, what does this scripture mean to you?
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
God is only one Person of the ordinal "First", and the ordinal "Last". before May God, the "LORD" was alone and by himself. not yet MANIFESTED in flesh as the ordinal LAST, "Lord". the proof is in the scriptures themselves. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." this NO TRINITY, because the very next verses prove that there was no "US" and "OUR" at Genesis 1:26 manifested. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
and when historyb say, "in order to be a Christian you must believe in the Trinity", ERROR, one must believe and follow Jesus to be a christian, and Jesus himself said that there is not TRINITY before May as brian100 asked. and here's the proof. when the Lord Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees concerning divorcement, he said this, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?"
Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
the "he" here in Matthew 19:4 is God the ordinal "First" according to Deuteronomy 6:4. God, the LORD Jesus at Genesis 1:26 & 27 spoke of himself to come as the ordinal Last, supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." this is the IMAGE of God manifested in the flesh, the ordinal Last, the Son, title Lord". for in the OT Jesus the Spirit who made all things was alone, and by himself.
knowing this, it answers brian100 question, "Was God the Trinity before Jesus (the Christ) and Mary?" and it destroys historyb statement of "in order to be a Christian you must believe in the Trinity"
two birds killed with one stone, and that stone is what the trinity believers rejects "Jesus the Christ", the ordinal Last.
I demand an answer from the both of you.
PICJAG
One word, "ERROR".
answer NO, and here's why, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
God is only one Person of the ordinal "First", and the ordinal "Last". before May God, the "LORD" was alone and by himself. not yet MANIFESTED in flesh as the ordinal LAST, "Lord". the proof is in the scriptures themselves. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." this NO TRINITY, because the very next verses prove that there was no "US" and "OUR" at Genesis 1:26 manifested. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
and when historyb say, "in order to be a Christian you must believe in the Trinity", ERROR, one must believe and follow Jesus to be a christian, and Jesus himself said that there is not TRINITY before May as brian100 asked. and here's the proof. when the Lord Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees concerning divorcement, he said this, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?"
Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
the "he" here in Matthew 19:4 is God the ordinal "First" according to Deuteronomy 6:4. God, the LORD Jesus at Genesis 1:26 & 27 spoke of himself to come as the ordinal Last, supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." this is the IMAGE of God manifested in the flesh, the ordinal Last, the Son, title Lord". for in the OT Jesus the Spirit who made all things was alone, and by himself.
knowing this, it answers brian100 question, "Was God the Trinity before Jesus (the Christ) and Mary?" and it destroys historyb statement of "in order to be a Christian you must believe in the Trinity"
two birds killed with one stone, and that stone is what the trinity believers rejects "Jesus the Christ", the ordinal Last.
I demand an answer from the both of you.
PICJAG
Stan B
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That would conflict the very first verse of the Bible. Although monotheists have mistranslated to suit their own agenda, the literal translation is "In the beginning, the Gods [Elohim] created the heavens and the earth". And then they go on to say "Let us make man in our image."
Scripture supplies no numbers attached to the number of Gods involved in creation.
Taken
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That which IS Gods Makeup (IN God, IS God).
That which IS God, Can and Does Come forth out From God, IS God, and Yet while IT comes forth out From God, IS Still IN God.
God CREATES.
* Gods MIND, has A Thought, Idea, Plan.
God REVEALS, "His" Thought, when "His" Thought Comes Forth OUT of "His" Mouth IN His Word.
(That IS where possessive "pronouns" come into the scenario. "His, He, I , Mine, etc. are Exclusive to the One whose Word IS "Them", IS IN "them", and Comes forth out of "them", while Remainig IN "Them".)
Every Thought, Idea, Plan, God HAS, (That) HE chooses TO "share" with His CREATIONS, He Does so, BY SENDING, His WORD Forth out of His Mouth.
The SENDING- From His Mouth TO what His Mind has Decided: Requires....POWER.
Gods LIGHT IS His POWER.
God IS SPIRIT-
His Mind IS Spirit.
His Word IS Spirit.
His Power IS Spirit.
A man WHO is Receiving; (Hearing)
Gods Spirit of Thought,
Gods Spirit of Word,
Gods Spirit of Power...
IS Being....ENLIGHTENED....(through the man HEARING).
Once a man HEARS, he "cannot" UN-Hear.
God IS ALWAYS IN Agreement WITHIN Himself.
Meaning: His Mind, His Word, His Power ARE ALWAYS, IN Agreement.
"Natural" Mankind IS NOT always, Within himself, IN agreement with himself.
Meaning:
A man has a Carnal MIND; it can Think and Devise Good, Just Ideas/or Evil, Wicked, Deceptive Ideas.
A man can Send forth his Thoughts (Good or evil) Through his word.
The Results:
HOW His word "affected" the "thing" to which his word was SENT.
HOW his word "affected" the "ONE" who SENT "his" word.
Is the Good or Evil word SENT, make either, joyful Having SENT or RECEIVED, the Truth or a Lie?
Was the word SENT, A "Mindful" Deception OR A Heartful Truth?
* (which the Natural spirit of man IS his Natural TRUTH, * IN his HEART .)
* AND- THE "SOUL"- (Life From Gods Breath, that Every Created Mankind of ALIVE Thing Has IN it...
Is the soul Happy/Joyful...To have sent forth out of his mouth...A Heartfelt Truth...or a Deceptive Lie?
Remember-
* the (Natural) Carnal Mind IS Against God
(Rom 8:7)
* All souls Belong TO God.
(Ezek 18:4)
* God Is Never in Conflict with Himself.
(Matt: 12: 25)
* God changes a "willing man" FROM, Natural, TO Spiritual, through, HIS WAY, of giving:
His Word of Truth, His Enlightenment of Gods Knowledge, His Counsel of Direction,
AND ultimately: TO a "willing" (by VOW UNTO God)...God Gives TO a "willing Confessing Vowed" (by the man's word of Truth IN his Natural spirit, IN his Heart)...
Gods SEED, for THAT man to Become "MADE",
A "son" OF God, Wholly Whole and Holy unto God... Which God "Effects"...
Through Gods Word...which God Named "JESUS".
Through Gods Power...which God Named
"CHRIST".
Through Gods Wisdom...Which God Named
"CHRIST".
Through Gods SEED...Which God Named
"CHRIST".
Through Gods GIFTS...of Giving TO a man "willing" To Accept His Offering, according TO Gods Terms of the Contract/Agreement.
Such a man DOES NOT Become "Perfect" yet...
Until he as Put ON an incorrupt body.
But the man IS Accounted (by God), in Gods Books, as Being "perfect-ED".
Gods Word came Forth out of His Mouth,
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
FOR BELIEF of Gods Knowledge, man is Given The Gift of Faith.
FAITH is the Gift of God That puts a man ON the straight and narrow path to Be MADE Whole...Gods Prospering Accomplishment in a man's "Body, soul, spirit..." All parts of a man IN Agreement within himself and wholly WITH
God.
Matt 9:
[22] ... Jesus ...said... thy faith hath made thee whole..."
Rom 10:
[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Glory to God,
Taken
Stan B
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Stan B
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Janc, In the Torah, written by Moses, we see the heart and mind of God.
When John penned his Gospel, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God." As a Jew, talking to Jews, he would understand it this way:
"In the beginning was the Torah, and the Torah was with God, and the Torah was God. Torah was in the beginning with God."
i.e. Torah was contained within God, and was God, from the very beginning, even before the world was created. Torah, the Word of God was in God before the foundation of the world, and was the essence of who God really is.
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Stan B
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Janc, Don't overlook Melchizedek. When he came to Abraham, he identified himself as "Melchizedek" King/Prince of (Jeru)Salem, i.e "Prince of Peace".
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, **PRINCE IF OF PEACE.**" Isaiah
"When Abraham was returning from a battle, Melchizedek went out to meet him in the King’s Valley. "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine (which Jesus said to eat in remembrance of Him)" Gen 14
The relationship between YHWH and Jesus is stated in Psalm 110
"The LORD [YHWH] says to my Lord [Adonai/Jesus]:
“Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”
"The Lord has sworn [to Jesus] and will not change His mind,
“You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”
In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul reflects upon Melchizedek's encounter with Abraham:
"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him . . was first of all, by the translation of his name, King of Righteousness, and then also King of Salem [Jerusalem], which is King of Peace. Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually". Hebrews 7:7
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@Waiting on him The challenge is always to live after the Spirit, following the Scriptures rather than the flesh.
Taken
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One God..."His" Minds thought, "His" Word To Declare His Thought, "His" Power (Light) To Bring Into Existence the thought of of His Mind.
Always IN Agreement.
Gods Idea...(Heaven/ Earth) revealed.
Gods Word..spoken
Gods Power...Created what was not.
Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the [/B] Spirit of God[/B] moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:
[26] And God (ONE) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ...
And He did.
A (one) man: has the "Power" to Think ideas, "Speak" words, "make" things.
One God.
Individual one man.
Glory to God,
Taken
Stumpmaster
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As the eternal Son of God, Jesus pre-existed His earthly incarnation, as these Scriptures attest, else how could He be instrumental in the creation of all things...(see emboldened verses)
Joh 8:56-59 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. (57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? (58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Eph 3:1-13 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, (2) If you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: (3) How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, (4) Whereby, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) (5) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (6) That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: (7) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. (8) Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; (9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: (10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, (11) According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: (12) In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. (13) Wherefore I desire that you faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
Col 1:9-20 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; (10) That you might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; (11) Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; (12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: (13) Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: (14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: (15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. (19) For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; (20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
101G
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what is an "IMAGE?" do it have a source? is the source before the IMAGE or after... answer after the source. supportive scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
and he God, the Lord Jesus, do this Romans 4:17 "(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were."
Abraham was ... "MADE" a father before he actually became a father. for one time is all time for God. Just as he God is a Father, and a Son before he became a "Son" in flesh to come, (Romans 5:14b).
PICJAG
I have seen God's power he can cough you into existence. But God came thru Mary the traditional way. Live birth.
Stan B
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Since God is eternal He didn’t have a mother, including Jesus who pre-existed the foundation of the world.
He existed as a blob of flesh for 33 years, but was then taken up with an immortal body.
Mary was also mother to at least three sons and two daughters. They were not gods either.
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