Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

[Ronald Nolette]

Is your iniquity forgiven, and is your sin remembered no more?

If so, you've fulfilled that provision of Jeremiah 31:34.

Or is your iniquity unforgiven, and is your sin still remembered?

Since you deny that the New Covenant is established and in force, as the plethora of Scripture shows,

Then your iniquity is unforgiven, and your sin is still remembered.

It's as simple as that.

I am glad you are not my Savior! I am glad Jesus is.

And you now are guilty of promoting a false gospel. For nowhere does it say in Gods Word ( covanentees word is different) that in order to have your sins forgiven you have to believe in the covenant theology reinterpretation of Jer. 31.

And you have failed to show one provision of the New Covenant as spelled out in Jeremiah and show it fulfilled in the New covenant. YOu make sCriptures like a game of horseshoes where to you close enough is good enough. That is not Gods

 

[Truth7t7]

And you have failed to show one provision of the New Covenant as spelled out in Jeremiah and show it fulfilled in the New covenant. YOu make sCriptures like a game of horseshoes where to you close enough is good enough. That is not Gods

Jeremiah 31 is showing nothing more than a return of Israel to Jerusalem from the Babylonian Captivity and the building of the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple 536BC

You will closely note the prophecy begins IN CHAPTER 29 with who the prophecy was addressed to, "Israel in the Babylonian Captivity"

JEREMIAH 29:1kJV
1 Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;

 

[covenantee]

I am glad you are not my Savior! I am glad Jesus is.

And you now are guilty of promoting a false gospel. For nowhere does it say in Gods Word ( covanentees word is different) that in order to have your sins forgiven you have to believe in the covenant theology reinterpretation of Jer. 31.

And you have failed to show one provision of the New Covenant as spelled out in Jeremiah and show it fulfilled in the New covenant. YOu make sCriptures like a game of horseshoes where to you close enough is good enough. That is not Gods

I've fulfilled it.

Every Blood-bought child of God who understands the New Covenant has fulfilled it.

By your own insistent declaration, you have not fulfilled it.

There you have it, folks.

An ideology of craven cowardice and spiritual stupefaction, which professes Christianity, but which refuses to answer the most fundamentally important Scriptural question which can be asked of any individual, and which always elicits a ringing "Yes" from every member of the household of faith:

Is your iniquity forgiven, and is your sin remembered no more?

The integral, indispensable, and essential test of the New Covenant in the Blood of Christ, and the Salvation which that Blood bought at Calvary.

You cannot live in the Spirit without it.

 

[WPM]

Poor RWB- The house of Israel and the house of Judah means all. go learn some language. It i s not for every Jew, but for those who remain at teh end of the trib as I have posted in many other threads ad-nauseum.


This is rank moron ism on your part to even write this. You know I am not and you are just flinging mud!


That is a reinterpretation of Scripture forced upon Gods word by covanentalists. Teh peace be upon them are Gentile believers and the Israel of God are the Jewish believers. Context matters and the whole book of Galatians speaks of Jew and Gentile!

I never implied differently. So here the house of Israel is all Israel and in Jeremiah it is only some of Israel. Talk about darkened exegesis.

Why are Premils on these forums so nasty and vicious? You undermine your cause and lose credibility with your insults.

 

[rwb]

Why are Premils on these forums so nasty and vicious? You undermine your cause and lose credibility with your insults.

It's the only tactic they have! What they cannot biblically refute, they attack the messengers of truth because Scripture cannot help them. In addition, as Covenantee has pointed out it exposes their sinful hearts.

 

[Truth7t7]

It's the only tactic they have! What they cannot biblically refute, they attack the messengers of truth because Scripture cannot help them. In addition, as Covenantee has pointed out it exposes their sinful hearts.

The poster denies the deity of Jesus Christ being God manifest in the flesh

The poster teaches there is salvation for Jews after the second coming of Jesus Christ

I find more in common with the cults of Mormonism and Jehovahs Witnesses than the poster

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[rwb]

The poster denies the deity of Jesus Christ being God manifest in the flesh

The poster teaches there is salvation for Jews after the second coming of Jesus Christ

I find more in common with the cults of Mormonism and Jehovahs Witnesses than the poster

Jesus Is The Lord

Well, he does continue to argue the need for God's name to be vindicated and/or restored! At the very least they show little if any understanding of the Almighty Creator, who is Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[WPM]

It's the only tactic they have! What they cannot biblically refute, they attack the messengers of truth because Scripture cannot help them. In addition, as Covenantee has pointed out it exposes their sinful hearts.

Bro, I totally totally agree. It is obviously frustration. When you have the truth you can have a confident in that truth. When you do not, you have to constantly hurl ad hominem to cover for your error.

Their pattern is to explain away the fuller revelation of the New Testament away by their faulty opinion of, and fixation with, the old covenant and the Old Testament. They can literally make it and Revelation say whatever they want.

 

[Brakelite]

Scripture says man is a soul and also says man has a soul. There are two types of souls in the bible.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Earlier you claimed the story of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of souls living in heaven.
To justify this you would have to admit that heaven and hell are close enough to allow a conversation between the dwellers of both places (Luke 16:23–31). We also would have to suppose that in the afterlife, while the body lies in the grave, there remains a conscious form of the spiritual soul with “ ‘eyes,’ ” a “ ‘finger,’ ” a “ ‘tongue,’ ” and which even feels thirst (Luke 16:23, 24). Not to mention a mind and a mouth to think and speak with... Both body parts.

If this passage were a description of the human state in death, then heaven would certainly not be a place of joy and happiness because the saved could closely follow the endless sufferings of their lost loved ones, and even dialogue with them (Luke 16:23–31). How could a mother be happy in heaven while beholding the incessant agonies of her beloved child in hell? In such a context, it would be virtually impossible for God’s promise of no more sorrow, crying, and pain to be fulfilled (Rev. 21:4).
Because of such incoherence, many modern biblical scholars regard the story of the rich man and Lazarus as a parable from which not every detail can be interpreted literally. George E. Ladd says that this story was probably “a parable which made use of current Jewish thinking and is not intended to teach anything about the state of the dead.”—G. E. Ladd, “Eschatology,” in The New Bible Dictionary, edited by J. D. Douglas (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1962), p. 388.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus presents a sharp contrast between a well-dressed “ ‘rich man’ ” and “ ‘a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores’ ” (Luke 16:19, 20, NKJV). The account teaches that (1) status and social recognition in the present are not the criteria for the future reward, and (2) the eternal destiny of each person is decided in this life and cannot be reversed in the afterlife (Luke 16:25, 26).

The scriptures you quote above are not definitive proof of the existence of a living entity after death. There merely express a differentiation between body, soul, and spirit, which I told you before was explained in Genesis. The combination of body and spirit produces the soul... The living whole person. When either body or spirit is removed, the soul ceases to exist.

 

[Brakelite]

You understand that the ones John saw were physically/bodily dead, right? Yet, they were still conscious. Is this hard for you to understand that there's more to us than just our bodies?

Some commentators are inclined to identify this “altar” as the altar of incense mentioned under the seventh seal (Rev. 8:1–6). But the reference to “blood” (instead of “incense”) in Revelation 6:9–11 leads us to see here an allusion to the altar of burnt offering, where the blood of the sacrifices was poured (Lev. 4:18, 30, 34). As the blood of those sacrifices was sprinkled around the altar, so the blood of the martyrs was symbolically poured at God’s altar when, by remaining faithful to the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus (Rev. 6:9; see also Rev. 12:17, Rev. 14:12), they lost their lives. See also
KJV Genesis 4:10
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.


The “souls” under the altar also are symbolic. By taking them literally, one would have to conclude that the martyrs are not fully happy in heaven, for they are still crying out for vengeance. This hardly sounds as if they are enjoying the reward of salvation. The desire for vengeance can make your life miserable. But your death, as well?

Also, it’s important to remember that John was not given a view of heaven as it actually is. “There are no white, red, black, or pale horses there with warlike riders. Jesus does not appear there in the form of a lamb with a bleeding knife wound. The four beasts do not represent actual winged creatures of the animal characteristics noted. . . . Likewise, there are no ‘souls’ lying at the base of an altar in heaven. The whole scene was a pictorial and symbolic representation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Earlier you claimed the story of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of souls living in heaven.
To justify this you would have to admit that heaven and hell are close enough to allow a conversation between the dwellers of both places (Luke 16:23–31). We also would have to suppose that in the afterlife, while the body lies in the grave, there remains a conscious form of the spiritual soul with “ ‘eyes,’ ” a “ ‘finger,’ ” a “ ‘tongue,’ ” and which even feels thirst (Luke 16:23, 24). Not to mention a mind and a mouth to think and speak with... Both body parts.

If this passage were a description of the human state in death, then heaven would certainly not be a place of joy and happiness because the saved could closely follow the endless sufferings of their lost loved ones, and even dialogue with them (Luke 16:23–31). How could a mother be happy in heaven while beholding the incessant agonies of her beloved child in hell? In such a context, it would be virtually impossible for God’s promise of no more sorrow, crying, and pain to be fulfilled (Rev. 21:4).
Because of such incoherence, many modern biblical scholars regard the story of the rich man and Lazarus as a parable from which not every detail can be interpreted literally. George E. Ladd says that this story was probably “a parable which made use of current Jewish thinking and is not intended to teach anything about the state of the dead.”—G. E. Ladd, “Eschatology,” in The New Bible Dictionary, edited by J. D. Douglas (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1962), p. 388.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus presents a sharp contrast between a well-dressed “ ‘rich man’ ” and “ ‘a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores’ ” (Luke 16:19, 20, NKJV). The account teaches that (1) status and social recognition in the present are not the criteria for the future reward, and (2) the eternal destiny of each person is decided in this life and cannot be reversed in the afterlife (Luke 16:25, 26).

The scriptures you quote above are not definitive proof of the existence of a living entity after death. There merely express a differentiation between body, soul, and spirit, which I told you before was explained in Genesis. The combination of body and spirit produces the soul... The living whole person. When either body or spirit is removed, the soul ceases to exist.

Scripture teaches of eternal conscious torment of the wicked, the 7th Day Adventist false prophetess Ellen G. White is "Wrong"

Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[ewq1938]

Earlier you claimed the story of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of souls living in heaven.
To justify this you would have to admit that heaven and hell are close enough to allow a conversation between the dwellers of both places (Luke 16:23–31).

You are wrong to think hearing and speaking in the afterlife has anything to do with a close distance.

 

[Timtofly]

Earlier you claimed the story of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of souls living in heaven.
To justify this you would have to admit that heaven and hell are close enough to allow a conversation between the dwellers of both places (Luke 16:23–31). We also would have to suppose that in the afterlife, while the body lies in the grave, there remains a conscious form of the spiritual soul with “ ‘eyes,’ ” a “ ‘finger,’ ” a “ ‘tongue,’ ” and which even feels thirst (Luke 16:23, 24). Not to mention a mind and a mouth to think and speak with... Both body parts.

If this passage were a description of the human state in death, then heaven would certainly not be a place of joy and happiness because the saved could closely follow the endless sufferings of their lost loved ones, and even dialogue with them (Luke 16:23–31). How could a mother be happy in heaven while beholding the incessant agonies of her beloved child in hell? In such a context, it would be virtually impossible for God’s promise of no more sorrow, crying, and pain to be fulfilled (Rev. 21:4).
Because of such incoherence, many modern biblical scholars regard the story of the rich man and Lazarus as a parable from which not every detail can be interpreted literally. George E. Ladd says that this story was probably “a parable which made use of current Jewish thinking and is not intended to teach anything about the state of the dead.”—G. E. Ladd, “Eschatology,” in The New Bible Dictionary, edited by J. D. Douglas (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1962), p. 388.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus presents a sharp contrast between a well-dressed “ ‘rich man’ ” and “ ‘a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores’ ” (Luke 16:19, 20, NKJV). The account teaches that (1) status and social recognition in the present are not the criteria for the future reward, and (2) the eternal destiny of each person is decided in this life and cannot be reversed in the afterlife (Luke 16:25, 26).

The scriptures you quote above are not definitive proof of the existence of a living entity after death. There merely express a differentiation between body, soul, and spirit, which I told you before was explained in Genesis. The combination of body and spirit produces the soul... The living whole person. When either body or spirit is removed, the soul ceases to exist.

Are you attempting to say Jesus was ignorant of life after death?

Not very reassuring of an argument.

It was not a parable. Jesus knew exactly what He was talking about. Some scholars even claim this beggar was the brother of Martha and Mary. Any one here can speculate how or why the Gospels were given to us with just bits and pieces of a larger unknown story. But to speculate on the basis that Jesus was ignorant, is not a strong argument.

 

[Brakelite]

So all of you 3 immediately above accept the word of Satan above that of God. God warned Adam, if he sinned, he would die. Satan said no. He would not die. And Satan's lie had been repeated ever since through paganism, and from your pulpits through those who have accepted pagan errors and allowed those errors to overrule scripture.
The NT states categorically that the wages of sin is death. NT Christians state sinners live for all eternity, which means that those same sinners are either immortal, which directly contradicts scripture, or they are deliberately kept alive by God for the sole purpose of inflicting pain.
All of which combines to reveal a very distorted view of the character of God. In fact, you have believed Satan's lie that God's purpose and goal is to punish sin in certain ways and you interpret scripture in such a way that harmonizes with that lie.
Such a distortion demands that the gospel be presented from a paradigm of God being someone to fear rather than to love. Typically pagan attitude.

 

[Timtofly]

So all of you 3 immediately above accept the word of Satan above that of God. God warned Adam, if he sinned, he would die. Satan said no. He would not die. And Satan's lie had been repeated ever since through paganism, and from your pulpits through those who have accepted pagan errors and allowed those errors to overrule scripture.
The NT states categorically that the wages of sin is death. NT Christians state sinners live for all eternity, which means that those same sinners are either immortal, which directly contradicts scripture, or they are deliberately kept alive by God for the sole purpose of inflicting pain.
All of which combines to reveal a very distorted view of the character of God. In fact, you have believed Satan's lie that God's purpose and goal is to punish sin in certain ways and you interpret scripture in such a way that harmonizes with that lie.
Such a distortion demands that the gospel be presented from a paradigm of God being someone to fear rather than to love. Typically pagan attitude.

Are you denying that God can restore humanity to a pre-death state?

 

[charity]

Revelation 20:4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is one of the most controversial verses in the entire bible and a lot of Christians believe that it has to be a future event because they believe that it's on the resurrection day. But according to Paul he stated three times that it was a current reality back in his day.

Here below are the three texts.

Ephesians
2:4-6
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

In the verses above Paul states that we were already made alive, raised up and seated with Christ in the heavenly realms.

Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Once again Paul states that we have already been raised up with Christ.

Romans 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

Finally in the verse above Paul states that we reign in life through Jesus.

All of these verses were a current reality while alive in the physical body almost two thousand years ago. If it was a reality back, then it is still a reality today.

Paul ties three events directly to Revelation 20:4 "that we have been made alive", "seated with Christ in the heavenly realms" and that "we reign (in life) through Jesus".

Why do so many Christians not accept this even though Paul declares it? Because they are focused on it being physical not spiritual. They focus on the physical because it mentions saints that were beheaded by the beast and the thousand years.

But let's let scripture interpret scripture. Paul teaches that its spiritual and what John is saying in Revelation 20:4 is that even though the saints are beheaded they still live and reign spiritually the soul doesn't die with the body. It's a promise even though you may die for Jesus you will still live and reign spiritually. The beast can kill the body but not the soul.

Thus, according to Paul we reign in life now and have been for almost two thousand years we are not limited to a literal thousand years God has a better longer plan.

This does not take away a future physical resurrection at the end of our world.

'And I saw thrones,
.. And they sat upon them,
.... And judgement was given unto them;
...... And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
........ And for the word of God,
.......... And which had not worshipped the beast,

Neither his image,​

Neither had received his mark​

Upon their foreheads, or in their hands;​

............ And they lived and reigned with Christ A thousand years.'
(Revelation 20:4)

Hello there, @Marty fox,

These had had part in the first resurrection:- 'Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.' (Rev 20:6)

* We see these same souls in Revelation 6:9-10:-

'And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain
for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying,
"How long, O Lord, holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood
on them that dwell on the earth?"'
(Rev 6:9-10)

* Revelation 20 records God's reward for these saints who had been faithful unto death, and they are to reign with Christ for 1,000 years. He had judged and avenged their blood, and this is their reward.

* If you have read the Old Testament Prophets, then the visions seen and recorded by John in Revelation will not surprise you, for they saw visions and dreamed dreams too. John tells us that he saw, in vision form, the events that would take place on, 'the Lord's Day', or in the day of the Lord. He was transported, in vision, to that yet future day, and saw and recorded the events that he saw happening in a day still yet to come, in symbol and sign.

* The book of Revelation concerns the People of Israel, and is the culmination of prophecy concerning them: for it is only they who will fulfil the role allotted to them by God: to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6) in that day.

Thank you
Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[charity]

Revelation 20:4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is one of the most controversial verses in the entire bible and a lot of Christians believe that it has to be a future event because they believe that it's on the resurrection day. But according to Paul he stated three times that it was a current reality back in his day.

Here below are the three texts.

Ephesians
2:4-6
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

In the verses above Paul states that we were already made alive, raised up and seated with Christ in the heavenly realms.

Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Once again Paul states that we have already been raised up with Christ.

Romans 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

Finally in the verse above Paul states that we reign in life through Jesus.

All of these verses were a current reality while alive in the physical body almost two thousand years ago. If it was a reality back, then it is still a reality today.

Paul ties three events directly to Revelation 20:4 "that we have been made alive", "seated with Christ in the heavenly realms" and that "we reign (in life) through Jesus".

Why do so many Christians not accept this even though Paul declares it? Because they are focused on it being physical not spiritual. They focus on the physical because it mentions saints that were beheaded by the beast and the thousand years.

But let's let scripture interpret scripture. Paul teaches that its spiritual and what John is saying in Revelation 20:4 is that even though the saints are beheaded they still live and reign spiritually the soul doesn't die with the body. It's a promise even though you may die for Jesus you will still live and reign spiritually. The beast can kill the body but not the soul.

Thus, according to Paul we reign in life now and have been for almost two thousand years we are not limited to a literal thousand years God has a better longer plan.

This does not take away a future physical resurrection at the end of our world.

Hello again, @Marty fox,

You refer to Ephesians 2:4-6; Colossians 3:1 and Romans 5:17:-

'But God, Who is rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us,
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:'
(Eph 2:4-6)

* Yes, Praise God! God has identified us with the Lord Jesus Christ: so that when He died, we, in God's estimation, died with Him, were buried, quickened into life and raised with Him, and are now ascended with Him to God's right hand, and when He Who is our life shall appear, then shall we also appear with Him in glory (Colossians 3:4).

* It is a finished work, in Christ, by faith: and one which is ours in promise and in spirit now; but will be ours in actual glorious fact at the resurrection from among the dead. For without the power of the resurrection, none of these things can be ours.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I've fulfilled it.

Every Blood-bought child of God who understands the New Covenant has fulfilled it.

By your own insistent declaration, you have not fulfilled it.

There you have it, folks.

An ideology of craven cowardice and spiritual stupefaction, which professes Christianity, but which refuses to answer the most fundamentally important Scriptural question which can be asked of any individual, and which always elicits a ringing "Yes" from every member of the household of faith:

Is your iniquity forgiven, and is your sin remembered no more?

The integral, indispensable, and essential test of the New Covenant in the Blood of Christ, and the Salvation which that Blood bought at Calvary.

You cannot live in the Spirit without it.

Time to, instead of just ignoring your immature, childish and hate filled remarks, is to put you on full ignore.

To me you lack, honor, character, and integrity. Goodbye!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why are Premils on these forums so nasty and vicious? You undermine your cause and lose credibility with your insults.

Well we start simply trying to discuss with you covanentalists, but then when you make false accusations, bear false witness against fellow brethren, we move from Prov. 26:4 and then begin Pov. 26:5.

Your false accusations are rank moronic thinking and you should know far better than to even write such childish implied accusations which have nothing to do with this topic. You write like an unbeliever when you do this.

And yes someone needs to slap you up side the head metaphorically speaking to get you to write more responsibly. I just placed covanentee on ignore because of their hate filled responses.

I can only go so far with those who I disagree with begin the slanderous style of writing.

 

[Brakelite]

Are you denying that God can restore humanity to a pre-death state?

Why would you jump to such a conclusion? What I'm denying is the church's penchant for believing some animated entity, be it soul or spirit, should go directly to an afterlife...be it purgatory, heaven, or hell, or some other Valhalla or whatever. The soul is not a being in and of itself outside the body. It is the composite of body and breath/spirit that forms the soul...a living being. The moment any part of that combination of taken away in death, the should ceases to be. Hence the numerous passages throughout scripture that express that our thoughts, our plans, even our worship and praise, does not happen in death. Which is why the Christian hope it's and always had been bound up in the resurrection. The resurrection of Christ is proof that one day... The last day according to Jesus... He would come again and raise us to life.