Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay

[Prayer Warrior]

Interview (friendly interviewer) of Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of Black Lives Matter. She says that they have an "idealogical frame" and then says that she and the other organizer are "trained Marxists" (around 7 minutes into the interview). She needs Jesus, and I pray that she will find Him!!!

 

[Grailhunter]

Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay

Gotcha.

I know all the propaganda now
Show them your true color and answer the questions
What is your position on abortion?
Your position on drug use?
Your position on the leftist form of communism?
Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?
your position on law enforcement?
Your position on school prayer?
Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?

 

[bukka]

I pray that you will know the healing power of Jesus Christ! He still heals today!

Thank you very much, Prayer Warrior!

Lol, I have never said otherwise. He was my last pick in the Republican line-up for 2016, but I see that God has used him, and I will continue to pray for him and for our nation!

I'm thankful that you're seeing those shortcomings. Trump can't be trusted, I think.

I know that America has an increasing number of socialistic elements, and I will NEVER see this as a good thing. From FDR to LBJ and beyond, our constitutional republic has been slowly, but surely, spiraling downward into socialism as this world becomes darker and darker....

The reason that I call socialism godless is because of its atheistic roots. People are encouraged to be dependent on government (meaning men), instead of on God. This has never worked well, and it never will work well. Of course, we know that the anti-christ will cause people to be totally dependent on him (his global government) in order to buy food, etc. This system of dependence has been in the works for many years, and Americans who support any kind of socialism or the next step to totalitarianism, Communism, are sadly deceived.

Unfortunately, I believe that Christians in America are partly to blame for this uptick in socialism. We have handed the calling and command to help those in need over to the government. After my husband died, a leader of the church I was attending pointed me to the government for housing--one of the basic necessities. God had something much better in mind for me and my daughters and provided a good, safe place for us to live.... This is a long story, and I'm giving it to you in a nutshell, but I can testify of God's faithfulness, and that's what matters most to me! Mere men are not deserving of our total trust. Only God is!!!

As I've said before, America doesn't simply have an increasing number of socialists. America is already a socialist country given the U.S. Military, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and in other statues and institutions such as the Affordable Care Act. America has already decided upon socialism and accepts forms of it. The political disputes among people in the United States is how far socialism shall extend into American society.

Socialism, of itself, can never be considered godless, unless you want to condemn and consider unfit for imitation the Apostles, and their communal living, as portrayed in Acts 2:42-47; 4:32-35; 5:1-11. If one must concede that if their manner of life is in keeping with the teachings of Jesus, whom they knew personally, it must be conceded that a communal society in a larger social or national setting, a socialist cooperative society, may be in perfect keeping, as well, with the gospel.

I understand your fear of tyranny and regimentation. Actually, that is shared by all thoughtful people. I suggest that a return of religious belief in America will also lead to a return to scriptural teachings about society that is more cooperative and loving in respect to one's neighbor. If we treat one another in accordance with the Golden Rule, and seek to be neighbors with one another, as in the Parable of the Good Samaritan, we shall do well and escape much of the evil that has occurred in the past.

You didn't answer my question. Which prophet-type Christians said they see Trump as the king? America has no king, and I have never heard any Christian leaders say that they think otherwise or that they think Trump should have unlimited power. Not one!

Only Congress has the power to set a federal election date, so Trump's tweet was ill-advised, but it's a moot point.

Article II of the Constitution gives Congress the power to set the date of the presidential election.​

Since 1845, that day has been every four years on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, which in 2020 is Nov. 3.​

Even if Trump declared a state of emergency due to the coronavirus, he would not be permitted to change the day, legal experts said.​

“President Trump has absolutely no legal authority to delay the election,” said Joshua Douglas, a professor at the University of Kentucky and an election law expert.

Source: What would it take to postpone the U.S. presidential election?​

​

I did answer your question but I see you didn't like my answer.

It's all in the implication of the title of a "christ" or anointed one. In the Old Testament, an anointed political leader was a king that could rule with divine sanction. From this, if Trump allows people to think that he's "anointed", another "christ", he is also, implicitly maintaining that he has that divine sanction to rule. This means he is, implicitly maintaining he is a king. Is not Christ a king? Sure he is a king.

This is why I'm angry about Trump. Only Jesus is my Christ and my king. I owe no fealty to any other "christ" or "king". I'm opposed to anti-christs.

Concerning the OP again, if a President at will can postpone an election, that President can remain in office for life and not have to worry about being confronted by the voters.

I would agree with the constitutional arguments against postponing and election or viewing the President as above the law or a de facto king.

I'm afraid that you are the one mistaken about BLM. How can you believe that BLM has NO Marxist leanings when one of the founders and an organizer are "trained Marxists," according to the founder??? This is illogical beyond words! Marxists are STEEPED in that belief system. Of course their belief system affects the organization! (Please see the article I posted below and the video posted on the top of page 8.)

Do you really think they're going to put "We are Communists and want to make America Communist" in their platform? Just because they don't state that they have Marxist underpinnings doesn't change the fact that Marxists founded the organization. Are you not aware that Marxists have been known to lie and spread propaganda, lol? They are masters of it! Do you take everything at face value?

You're still not addressing my answer. I'm affirming that, technically, BLM is an umbrella organization composed of many members having a diverse array of political and religious views. This can't be skipped over and you didn't address this in your answer. Because of this, it may include Marxists, Anarchists, Republicans, Democrats, Buddhists, Muslims, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and whatever. With such a movement, you have to consider its platform, given that that is the focal point of group struggle and activity.

If you look at the history of BLM, you see that it's composed mainly of people seeking, under their constitutional civil rights, redress of grievances concerning police murder and voter suppression. We must be wary of all attacks upon civil rights in the name of order and security.

The attempts to label BLM as anything different is a great falsity, but that will have to be discussed on another thread given that this thread involves the President dealing with the firestorm because of his floating the idea of postponing elections.

 

[Yehren]

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump, lagging in the polls and grappling with deepening economic and public health crises, on Thursday floated the startling idea of delaying the Nov. 3 presidential election. His campaign to sow doubt about the election’s outcome drew immediate pushback from Democrats and Republicans alike in a nation that has held itself up as a beacon to the world for its history of peaceful transfer of power.


Trump suggested the delay as he pushed unsubstantiated allegations that increased mail-in voting due to the coronavirus pandemic would result in fraud. But shifting Election Day is virtually impossible and the very idea represented another bracing attempt by Trump to undermine confidence in the American political system.
Trump Floats Idea of Election Delay, a Virtual Impossibility | RealClearPolitics

That's exactly what Putin has been trying to do, according to the CIA and our military intelligence people. What a coincidence!

 

[Yehren]

Trump Keeps Taking Russia’s Side, and We Don’t Know Why
But Mueller never uncovered the full extent of Trump’s financial ties to Moscow. “Neither Mueller nor the Southern District prosecutors sought out Trump’s financial records or obtained his tax returns,” Jeffrey Toobin reports. The mystery of Trump’s solicitousness to Putin remains unresolved. And he continues to give reasons for suspicion.

Earlier this week, Trump announced a pullback of 12,000 troops stationed in Germany. He framed the decision as punishment for a long and amorphous list of offenses over a quarter century, including both unspecified trade deals and alleged delinquency on “bills.”

“We don’t want to be the suckers anymore,” Trump said. “The United States has been taken advantage of for 25 years, both on trade and on the military. We’re protecting Germany, so we’re reducing the force because they’re not paying their bills.”

The “bills” do not exist. But even assuming Trump is referring to Germany’s military expenditures, how exactly is Germany supposed to meet these demands, given that he also added unspecified economic offenses to his list of provocations? It seems much more likely that his intent was to punish Germany, and trade and “delinquent bills” was the pretext.

Also this week, Trump gave a surreal interview to Axios reporter Jonathan Swan about his most recent phone call with Vladimir Putin. Swan asked Trump if he raised any questions about reports, which had been included in his President’s Daily Brief, that Russia had paid bounties to the Taliban for killing American soldiers. Trump said he hadn’t. He insisted the intelligence “never reached my desk,” which is false.
Trump Keeps Taking Russia’s Side, and We Don’t Know Why

 

[bukka]

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump, lagging in the polls and grappling with deepening economic and public health crises, on Thursday floated the startling idea of delaying the Nov. 3 presidential election. His campaign to sow doubt about the election’s outcome drew immediate pushback from Democrats and Republicans alike in a nation that has held itself up as a beacon to the world for its history of peaceful transfer of power.


Trump suggested the delay as he pushed unsubstantiated allegations that increased mail-in voting due to the coronavirus pandemic would result in fraud. But shifting Election Day is virtually impossible and the very idea represented another bracing attempt by Trump to undermine confidence in the American political system.
Trump Floats Idea of Election Delay, a Virtual Impossibility | RealClearPolitics

That's exactly what Putin has been trying to do, according to the CIA and our military intelligence people. What a coincidence!

Is it all a coincidence, Yehren? The American public still doesn't know what Trump and Putin discussed in their secret meeting. Why aren't we permitted to know?

If Trump has been above board and seriously concerned about American national security, why didn't he have someone from the Defense or State Department attend that secret meeting?

There is more going on between these two than meets the eye.

 

[Yehren]

Is it all a coincidence, Yehren? The American public still doesn't know what Trump and Putin discussed in their secret meeting. Why aren't we permitted to know?

Normally, the notes taken by the translator are archived. Trump confiscated the notes before they could be recorded.

 

[bukka]

Normally, the notes taken by the translator are archived. Trump confiscated the notes before they could be recorded.

It's a big question. What was he wanting to hide? He was very quick about that hiding, too.

Perhaps the voters shall give him a hiding at the polls.

 

[Grailhunter]

Trump Keeps Taking Russia’s Side, and We Don’t Know Why
But Mueller never uncovered the full extent of Trump’s financial ties to Moscow. “Neither Mueller nor the Southern District prosecutors sought out Trump’s financial records or obtained his tax returns,” Jeffrey Toobin reports. The mystery of Trump’s solicitousness to Putin remains unresolved. And he continues to give reasons for suspicion.

Earlier this week, Trump announced a pullback of 12,000 troops stationed in Germany. He framed the decision as punishment for a long and amorphous list of offenses over a quarter century, including both unspecified trade deals and alleged delinquency on “bills.”

“We don’t want to be the suckers anymore,” Trump said. “The United States has been taken advantage of for 25 years, both on trade and on the military. We’re protecting Germany, so we’re reducing the force because they’re not paying their bills.”

The “bills” do not exist. But even assuming Trump is referring to Germany’s military expenditures, how exactly is Germany supposed to meet these demands, given that he also added unspecified economic offenses to his list of provocations? It seems much more likely that his intent was to punish Germany, and trade and “delinquent bills” was the pretext.

Also this week, Trump gave a surreal interview to Axios reporter Jonathan Swan about his most recent phone call with Vladimir Putin. Swan asked Trump if he raised any questions about reports, which had been included in his President’s Daily Brief, that Russia had paid bounties to the Taliban for killing American soldiers. Trump said he hadn’t. He insisted the intelligence “never reached my desk,” which is false.
Trump Keeps Taking Russia’s Side, and We Don’t Know Why

Bashing the President of the United States coming from who?
Let them know who you are.
Show them your beliefs...I dare ya! Answer the questions
What is your position on abortion?
Your position on drug use?
Your position on the leftist form of communism?
Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?
your position on law enforcement?
Your position on school prayer?
Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?

 

[bukka]

If a President can postpone an election at will, that President can postpone an election for life, and remain in power without having to worry about being confronted by the voters. I think President Trump's position on postponing elections is deeply un-American and a betrayal of his oath of office to defend and protect the people and the Constitution of the United States.

Why is the President doing this?

All this is in keeping with an anti-christ. By definition, all anti-christs are anti-God and anti-liberty. They always betray.

Why was it, when Trump had his talks with Putin, that he had the notes of the translator seized? Why were those notes hidden away from the public? Were those notes destroyed contrary to law?

What did Trump and Putin speak of? What are the financial connections between Trump and the Russians? Trump has had five bankruptcies. At a certain point, how did Trump get his money again, after the bankruptcies?

Anti-christs, by definition, are anti-God and anti-liberty. They always betray.

The Russians (as well as the Chinese and the Iranians) want Americans to be fighting each other. Why should we fall into their trap?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I'm thankful that you're seeing those shortcomings. Trump can't be trusted, I think.

Uh huh, you want to tell us how much you trust (trusted) Obama?

As I've said before, America doesn't simply have an increasing number of socialists. America is already a socialist country given the U.S. Military, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and in other statues and institutions such as the Affordable Care Act. America has already decided upon socialism and accepts forms of it. The political disputes among people in the United States is how far socialism shall extend into American society.

Socialism, of itself, can never be considered godless, unless you want to condemn and consider unfit for imitation the Apostles, and their communal living, as portrayed in Acts 2:42-47; 4:32-35; 5:1-11. If one must concede that if their manner of life is in keeping with the teachings of Jesus, whom they knew personally, it must be conceded that a communal society in a larger social or national setting, a socialist cooperative society, may be in perfect keeping, as well, with the gospel.

I understand your fear of tyranny and regimentation. Actually, that is shared by all thoughtful people. I suggest that a return of religious belief in America will also lead to a return to scriptural teachings about society that is more cooperative and loving in respect to one's neighbor. If we treat one another in accordance with the Golden Rule, and seek to be neighbors with one another, as in the Parable of the Good Samaritan, we shall do well and escape much of the evil that has occurred in the past.

Let's define terms, okay? Here are the first 2 definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary:

so•cial•ism sō′shə-lĭz″əm
►

• n.
  Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
• n.
  The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

Your definition of socialism doesn't wash. What we see in Acts is the early Christians sharing their goods with one another. There was no "centralized government" controlled by a dictator as there always is, sooner or later, in a socialistic government. The means of producing goods was NOT owned collectively. Perhaps, some of the concepts are similar, but this was not socialism, which is an ideology and practice created by godless men!

Who said that I have a "fear of tyranny and regimentation"? DAILY, I deal with the worst tyrants who have ever existed--the devil and his demons.... I war against them as we are commanded to do. But they are defeated, and whatever happens here in this nation that I love, I have read to the end of the Book, and I know where all of this is headed, and I know the end of the story.

Jesus Christ, Kings of kings and Lord of lords, has won and will set up His kingdom here on this earth! And every knee shall bow to Him and every tongue confess that HE IS LORD!

Did you listen to the interview of the founder of BLM? She is so full of rage and hate. It seethes from her! She NEEDS Jesus Christ as her Savior and Lord! She and her followers could win the battle over this nation and install full-fledged Marxism, but still lose the WAR if they end up in hell. This would be a real shame considering all that our Savior endured so that they could be saved--if they will turn from their sins, their hatred and rage, and accept His wonderful provision for their salvation.

This is the eternal perspective that every Christian MUST have in this War of wars!
.

 

[Grailhunter]

If a President can postpone an election at will, that President can postpone an election for life, and remain in power without having to worry about being confronted by the voters. I think President Trump's position on postponing elections is deeply un-American and a betrayal of his oath of office to defend and protect the people and the Constitution of the United States.

Why is the President doing this?

All this is in keeping with an anti-christ. By definition, all anti-christs are anti-God and anti-liberty. They always betray.

Why was it, when Trump had his talks with Putin, that he had the notes of the translator seized? Why were those notes hidden away from the public? Were those notes destroyed contrary to law?

What did Trump and Putin speak of? What are the financial connections between Trump and the Russians? Trump has had five bankruptcies. At a certain point, how did Trump get his money again, after the bankruptcies?

Anti-christs, by definition, are anti-God and anti-liberty. They always betray.

The Russians (as well as the Chinese and the Iranians) want Americans to be fighting each other. Why should we fall into their trap?

I do not know if you have any interest in history but the history of political cartoons is interesting and humorous. It is very old school…but showed some imagination. The point is that politicians and the media have been taken shots at each other from the get go. Sometimes literally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_cartoon

Some point to the fact that every president since George Washington has been accursed of being the Anti-Christ. In my life I can say that most presidents since Eisenhower have had a following of Anti-Christ accusers that have been very vocal. Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford probably had the least accusers, but they were the least effective.

But through most of this intellectuals did not get involved with it. But as our colleges started to produce communists, atheists, drug users, this changed. After living through Clinton and Obama people have the audacity to suggest that President Trump is corrupt, I think that is hilarious. Of course all three have been accursed of being the Anti-Christ.

At one time there was a poster going around showing Clinton in the middle and forty of his criminal friends surrounding him. Some had been indicted, some in prison, some dead under suspicious circumstances. Obama was considered to be the Manchurian candidate, of dubious citizenship and Islamic connections, his presidency achieved with rigged elections. But actually he only served as a mouth piece for the American Communist Party… democrats.

Anyway the whole presidential Anti-Christ thing is a continuous favorite for conspiracy theorists. At some point you would think people would notice that this is getting to be a worn out diatribe. Are we going to start calling presidential elections Anti-Christ elections, because you know it does not matter who is elected, they are going to be accused of being the Anti-Christ.

 

[bukka]

Uh huh, you want to tell us how much you trust (trusted) Obama?

I would trust Obama over an anti-christ.

Let's define terms, okay? Here are the first 2 definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary:

so•cial•ism sō′shə-lĭz″əm
►

• n.
  Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
• n.
  The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

Your quotations of the definition of socialism is incomplete. Socialism doesn't necessarily imply a centralized economy. Centralized government preceded socialism because, as capitalism progresses, capital and the rest of the wealth of a society is gradually, inevitably, concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. It is these capitalists who demand the centralized economy because that is an outgrowth of oligopoly, i.e. monopolistic competition. Some socialists, such as Bernstein, have said that socialism is the logical outgrowth of capitalism and is its inevitable result. This is Economics 201.

Your definition of socialism doesn't wash. What we see in Acts is the early Christians sharing their goods with one another.

That is a religious form of communism, much like that of the present-day Hutterites and Mennonites.

There was no "centralized government" controlled by a dictator as there always is, sooner or later, in a socialistic government.

That does not follow. If so, why have so many European Western democracies are heavily socialist (for decades) and are not dictatorships?

The means of producing goods was NOT owned collectively. Perhaps, some of the concepts are similar, but this was not socialism, which is an ideology and practice created by godless men!

That does not follow. Socialism does not always necessarily mean the collective ownership of capital. If so, why have so many European Western socialist democracies failed to establish the collective ownership of capital?

Who said that I have a "fear of tyranny and regimentation"? DAILY, I deal with the worst tyrants who have ever existed--the devil and his demons.... I war against them as we are commanded to do. But they are defeated, and whatever happens here in this nation that I love, I have read to the end of the Book, and I know where all of this is headed, and I know the end of the story.

Scripture does not permit us to demonize those that we may disagree with. Having faith with Christ is the key, I agree.

Jesus Christ, Kings of kings and Lord of lords, has won and will set up His kingdom here on this earth! And every knee shall bow to Him and every tongue confess that HE IS LORD!

Yes. Jesus is Lord, but we must not bow the knee in any fashion to anti-christs that may come into the world, such as Trump.

Did you listen to the interview of the founder of BLM? She is so full of rage and hate. It seethes from her! She NEEDS Jesus Christ as her Savior and Lord! She and her followers could win the battle over this nation and install full-fledged Marxism, but still lose the WAR if they end up in hell. This would be a real shame considering all that our Savior endured so that they could be saved--if they will turn from their sins, their hatred and rage, and accept His wonderful provision for their salvation.

This is the eternal perspective that every Christian MUST have in this War of wars!

We must be circumspect in the times of woe when they come upon the world walking in Christ's path. We must share the gospel with everyone.

We cannot falsify groups of people, or movements, because of the individuals in the midst of those groups, such as BLM. Stereotyping is of the devil and is part of the spirit of disobedience that is rife in the time of an anti-christ. We have to practice forbearance, charity and patience with everybody. If we do this, we shall go far in our walk with the Lord.

I won't be able to speak with you anymore on this thread about socialism, abortion, etc. The OP of this thread concerns Trump and his sounding out the idea of postponing elections and the resulting political reaction to this. I will speak on these other subjects on other threads after the election.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I would trust Obama over an anti-christ.


Your quotations of the definition of socialism is incomplete. Socialism doesn't necessarily imply a centralized economy. Centralized government preceded socialism because, as capitalism progresses, capital and the rest of the wealth of a society is gradually, inevitably, concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. It is these capitalists who demand the centralized economy because that is an outgrowth of oligopoly, i.e. monopolistic competition. Some socialists, such as Bernstein, have said that socialism is the logical outgrowth of capitalism and is its inevitable result. This is Economics 201.



That is a religious form of communism, much like that of the present-day Hutterites and Mennonites.



That does not follow. If so, why have so many European Western democracies are heavily socialist (for decades) and are not dictatorships?



That does not follow. Socialism does not always necessarily mean the collective ownership of capital. If so, why have so many European Western socialist democracies failed to establish the collective ownership of capital?



Scripture does not permit us to demonize those that we may disagree with. Having faith with Christ is the key, I agree.



Yes. Jesus is Lord, but we must not bow the knee in any fashion to anti-christs that may come into the world, such as Trump.



We must be circumspect in the times of woe when they come upon the world walking in Christ's path. We must share the gospel with everyone.

We cannot falsify groups of people, or movements, because of the individuals in the midst of those groups, such as BLM. Stereotyping is of the devil and is part of the spirit of disobedience that is rife in the time of an anti-christ. We have to practice forbearance, charity and patience with everybody. If we do this, we shall go far in our walk with the Lord.

I won't be able to speak with you anymore on this thread about socialism, abortion, etc. The OP of this thread concerns Trump and his sounding out the idea of postponing elections and the resulting political reaction to this. I will speak on these other subjects on other threads after the election.

If you feel that you have to have the final word, I understand, but just KNOW that Jesus Christ TRULY has the final word on EVERYTHING!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The Russians (as well as the Chinese and the Iranians) want Americans to be fighting each other. Why should we fall into their trap?

Why don't you include the anarchists, who are burning down our nation, on your list? This is how the Marxists work. They create an atmosphere of disillusionment and rage among the young people. Then they tear down statues in order to cast shame on a nation's history and identity. Then they foment riots, further destroying property....... And this is just the beginning.

BLM is organized enough to receive BIG funding from billionaire George Soros.

Open Society Foundations donates to groups worldwide ( here ). Some of their previous donations - including to Black Lives Matter and Planned Parenthood - have been subject to controversy in the U.S. ( here , here ).​

 

[bukka]

I do not know if you have any interest in history but the history of political cartoons is interesting and humorous. It is very old school…but showed some imagination. The point is that politicians and the media have been taken shots at each other from the get go. Sometimes literally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_cartoon

Some point to the fact that every president since George Washington has been accursed of being the Anti-Christ. In my life I can say that most presidents since Eisenhower have had a following of Anti-Christ accusers that have been very vocal. Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford probably had the least accusers, but they were the least effective.

But through most of this intellectuals did not get involved with it. But as our colleges started to produce communists, atheists, drug users, this changed. After living through Clinton and Obama people have the audacity to suggest that President Trump is corrupt, I think that is hilarious. Of course all three have been accursed of being the Anti-Christ.

At one time there was a poster going around showing Clinton in the middle and forty of his criminal friends surrounding him. Some had been indicted, some in prison, some dead under suspicious circumstances. Obama was considered to be the Manchurian candidate, of dubious citizenship and Islamic connections, his presidency achieved with rigged elections. But actually he only served as a mouth piece for the American Communist Party… democrats.

Anyway the whole presidential Anti-Christ thing is a continuous favorite for conspiracy theorists. At some point you would think people would notice that this is getting to be a worn out diatribe. Are we going to start calling presidential elections Anti-Christ elections, because you know it does not matter who is elected, they are going to be accused of being the Anti-Christ.

What much you've posted is interesting but Trump, as anti-christ, is not conspiracy theory. Many devout "ever-Trumpers" accept that he's "anointed" by God. For me, Jesus, is the only anointed One of God, and he is Our Lord and Savior.

Returning to the OP, only an anti-christ would seek to postpone an election. That is what an anti-christ does. Anti-christs, by definition, are anti-God and anti-liberty. They always betray.

This is the text of that false prophecy:

From Left to Right


FULL TEXT of Mark Taylor's April 28, 2011 Commander in Chief Prophecy:

[1]"The Spirit of God says I've chosen this man Donald Trump for such a time as this. [2]For as Benjamin Netanyahu is to Israel, so shall this man be to the United States of America, for I will use this man to bring honor, respect and restoration to America.

[3]America will be respected once again as the most powerful, prosperous nation on Earth other than Israel. [4]The dollar will be the strongest it has ever been in the history of the United States and will once again be the currency by which all others are judged.

[5]The Spirit of God says the enemy will quake and shake and fear this man I have anointed. [6]They will even quake and shake when he announces he is running for President. [7]It will be like the shot heard across the world.

[8]Then you will say what shall we do now? [9]This man knows all our tricks and schemes. [10]We've been robbing America for decades. [11]What should we do to stop this? [12]The Spirit says, ha, no one shall stop this that I have started, for the enemy has stolen from America for decades and it stops now. [13]For I will use this man to reap the harvest that the United States has sown for and plunder from the enemy what he has stolen and return it back seven-fold to the United States.

[14]The enemy will say, 'Israel, Israel, what about Israel?' [15]Israel will be protected by America once again. [16]The Spirit says yes, America will once again stand hand in hand with Israel and the two shall be as one, for the ties between Israel and America will be stronger than ever and Israel will flourish like never before.

[17]The Spirit of God says I will protect America and Israel, for this next President will be a man of his word. [18]When he speaks the world will listen and know that there is something greater in him than all the others before him. [19]This man's word is his bond and the world and America will know this, and the enemy will fear this, for this man will be fearless.

[20]The Spirit says when the financial harvest begins so shall the parallel in the spiritual for America.

[21]The Spirit of God says in this next election they will spend billions to keep this president out. [22]It will be like money down the toilet. [23]Let them waste their money, for where it comes from is being used by evil forces at work, but they will not succeed. [24]This next election will be a clean sweep for the man that I have chosen. [24]They will say things about this man, the enemy, but it will not affect him and they will say it rolls off of him like a duck. [25]For even as the feathers of a duck protect it, so shall my feathers protect this next president.

[26]Even mainstream news media will be captivated by this man and the abilities that I gift to him and they will even begin to agree with him, says the Spirit." – Mark Taylor

I've added the paragraphs and verse numbers

It is easy to see it's manifestly a false prophecy. Trump is referred as an anti-christ in the prophecy in verse 5.

An anti-christ confirms himself being such by seeking to deny democratic elections.

 

[Grailhunter]

What much you've posted is interesting but Trump as anti-christ is not conspiracy theory. Many devout "ever-Trumpers" accept that he's "anointed" by God. For me, Jesus, is the only anointed One of God, and he is Our Lord and Savior.

Returning to the OP, only an anti-christ would seek to postpone an election. That is what an anti-christ does. An anti-christ, but definition, is anti-God and anti-liberty. They always betray.

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FULL TEXT of Mark Taylor's April 28, 2011 Commander in Chief Prophecy:

[1]"The Spirit of God says I've chosen this man Donald Trump for such a time as this. [2]For as Benjamin Netanyahu is to Israel, so shall this man be to the United States of America, for I will use this man to bring honor, respect and restoration to America.

[3]America will be respected once again as the most powerful, prosperous nation on Earth other than Israel. [4]The dollar will be the strongest it has ever been in the history of the United States and will once again be the currency by which all others are judged.

[5]The Spirit of God says the enemy will quake and shake and fear this man I have anointed. [6]They will even quake and shake when he announces he is running for President. [7]It will be like the shot heard across the world.

[8]Then you will say what shall we do now? [9]This man knows all our tricks and schemes. [10]We've been robbing America for decades. [11]What should we do to stop this? [12]The Spirit says, ha, no one shall stop this that I have started, for the enemy has stolen from America for decades and it stops now. [13]For I will use this man to reap the harvest that the United States has sown for and plunder from the enemy what he has stolen and return it back seven-fold to the United States.

[14]The enemy will say, 'Israel, Israel, what about Israel?' [15]Israel will be protected by America once again. [16]The Spirit says yes, America will once again stand hand in hand with Israel and the two shall be as one, for the ties between Israel and America will be stronger than ever and Israel will flourish like never before.

[17]The Spirit of God says I will protect America and Israel, for this next President will be a man of his word. [18]When he speaks the world will listen and know that there is something greater in him than all the others before him. [19]This man's word is his bond and the world and America will know this, and the enemy will fear this, for this man will be fearless.

[20]The Spirit says when the financial harvest begins so shall the parallel in the spiritual for America.

[21]The Spirit of God says in this next election they will spend billions to keep this president out. [22]It will be like money down the toilet. [23]Let them waste their money, for where it comes from is being used by evil forces at work, but they will not succeed. [24]This next election will be a clean sweep for the man that I have chosen. [24]They will say things about this man, the enemy, but it will not affect him and they will say it rolls off of him like a duck. [25]For even as the feathers of a duck protect it, so shall my feathers protect this next president.

[26]Even mainstream news media will be captivated by this man and the abilities that I gift to him and they will even begin to agree with him, says the Spirit." – Mark Taylor

I've added the paragraphs and verse numbers

It is easy to see it's manifestly a false prophecy.

An anti-christ confirms himself being such by seeking to deny democratic elections.

I will just say that I disagree with you whole heartedly. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory but I consider them along the lines of stories told around the campfire. I do not debate conspiracy theorists because it is like debating with Jell-0.

 

[bukka]

If you feel that you have to have the final word, I understand, but just KNOW that Jesus Christ TRULY has the final word on EVERYTHING!

We can deal with these subjects on other threads after the election.

I agree that Christ truly has the final word on everything.

 

[bukka]

Why don't you include the anarchists, who are burning down our nation, on your list? This is how the Marxists work. They create an atmosphere of disillusionment and rage among the young people. Then they tear down statues in order to cast shame on a nation's history and identity. Then they foment riots, further destroying property....... And this is just the beginning.

BLM is organized enough to receive BIG funding from billionaire George Soros.

Open Society Foundations donates to groups worldwide ( here ). Some of their previous donations - including to Black Lives Matter and Planned Parenthood - have been subject to controversy in the U.S. ( here , here ).​

Anarchists are merely left libertarians. To me, there's little difference between anarcho-syndicalists and right libertarians when it comes to economics. They both want less government. They both burn and destroy in their own ways.

George Soros as archetype of evil is unconvincing.

Again, I won't be able to speak with you anymore on this thread about socialism, abortion, etc. The OP of this thread concerns Trump and his sounding out the idea of postponing elections and the resulting political reaction to this. I will speak on these other subjects on other threads after the election. This now the last time I will respond regarding these matters.

 

[Grailhunter]

Anarchists are merely left libertarians. To me, there's little difference between anarcho-syndicalists and right libertarians when it comes to economics. They both want less government. They both burn and destroy in their own ways.

George Soros as archetype of evil is unconvincing.

Again, I won't be able to speak with you anymore on this thread about socialism, abortion, etc. The OP of this thread concerns Trump and his sounding out the idea of postponing elections and the resulting political reaction to this. I will speak on these other subjects on other threads after the election. This now the last time I will respond regarding these matters.

That is fine....I am good to go.