When He Returns!

[Reggie Belafonte]

I would say;
Jesus First appeared AS a man, Without "reputation / Power, a Jewish man, who took upon Himself, the Line of "genealogy/seed of a Faithful Man, ie Abraham, thus making Jesus, a Son of Man, And, thus fulfilling the Jewish Law, that the next TO be Seated in King David's everlasting Throne as King, had to be a Jew.

While Jesus was on Earth, little by little His Power begins being revealed, as He having Not come with His Power, His Power is sent Down From Heaven TO HIM.

And Finally the Disciples Are Told, by God in Heaven That Jesus, their teacher, Friend, this man of God, Is Thee Christ Messiah and Power of God.

When Jesus Ascends to the Clouds, as He is rising up He is receiving the Glory He HAD with the Father, Before He came to Earth, without His Reputation.

(This is the similar way Christ's Church will be raptured...up to the clouds, rising in a glorified body.)

When The Lord Returns...
He descends To the clouds...
Calls up His Church...
His glorified bodily Church, THEY
See Christ...As He is: not a man...but Spirit.

Before Christ Continues His Descent from the Clouds TO the Earth....

The Earths Judgement commences;
Seven, seals, trumpets, bowls are opened, the seventh over lapping the first.

The people left on the earth, suffer the consequences of Gods Wrath upon the Earth.

Before the fifth seal is opened, Jews who remained faithful are redeemed.

After the wrath upon the earth, and Jesus steps DOWN ON THE EARTH....

ALL EYES SHALL SEE HIM DESCEND...
ALL (holy and fallen) Spiritual eyes, Saints spiritual eyes, and human eyes (who SEE a man, ie as Jesus comes to earth AS tHE Son of Man....and POWER AND GLORY, who IS Christ.

So, it depends on WHO one is, as to HOW they WILL SEE Jesus Return TO Earth.

The People are dealt with who rejected God. And the battle between Fallen and Holy angels, with many saints and Jesus takes place.

God Bless,
Taken

What do you think the clouds represent, Taken. it's his Majesty.

Biblically Jesus was known to be Emmanuel and Jesus when he was in the womb.

If anyone is so called raptured up, they have to of died to be able to get a glorified body.

The people cop the wrath is due to their rejection of God, it's there own doing = reaping what they Sow.

Jesus Christ has always been with us from the beginning and will be to the end, now he came in the flesh as a man Emmanuel 'God with us' and Jesus being our Saviour and when one understands that then you will know that he is your Lord 'Christ', now one can respect that is the truth, but not all are Born Again 'of the Holy Spirit', when one is truly Born Again the Salvation of the Lord is with you, just as it was with his mother Mary and it is pointed out that she was full of the Holy Spirit, Just as was St Stephen and we can see in Acts 7: that Stephen is doing the will of God, he is pointing out the facts as to the God that the stupid Jews have abandoned for the works and madness of man and that's why the morons killed him, then Saul got the message and became Paul, he knew Stephen was speaking form Gods perspective, when the penny dropped and he was born again of the Holy Spirit.

When Jesus came for the Jews 'believing people of the faith', but as a whole they were spent as a people of God but only for some who remained as of both tribes. so will the same be of His Church in the last days, Christianity is spent nowadays and only a small present know Jesus, the rest are on about the works of man, because they have been lead astray and have all sorts of stupid idols that they look up to.

It's not really a good thing to want Jesus to come back because what it means is that the faithful have failed, lost there way and that there will be hell to pay and this could of been avoided if the Church was true to Jesus and that's all we need is to be true to Jesus as our Lord and the problem is solved, but wanting the 2ed coming is a Sin, because that is just a people in despair who are lost. we Have Jesus Christ and that's all we ever needed and we will ever need regardless and the people who come out of the hell fire will know that Jesus Christ is the same from the beginning to the end.
So you have the Holy Spirit or you don't regardless, be it 2ed coming or not, so why would one want to tempt the Lord, that's what people are doing when they look to the 2ed coming in fact.
It's why do you want Hell Fire to come down on people, I don't wish that on people but I do wist that they will only come to Jesus Christ, because that's all anyone needs.
The problem is that Satan "the one who leads the whole world astray" has undermined all the Churches, just like they did with Israel and Judah, it's the same game play at hand here going on of deceptions.

The Governments are getting rid of Church and State and the Churches are that corrupt that they are letting it happen and the Government are becoming our Socialist god of mans works ha ha good luck with that, not to mention the media is idolised, well well well who was it that was against Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, Hey Hey Hey ! do you all know who it was in fact that worked to undermine Jesus.

Tell me who were against Jesus and who are the same such nowadays, have they changed there spots ? Jesus said that you will know them by there works.

 

[Stumpmaster]

TO the "saints" which are at Ephesus.

What do you believe "qualifies" a man To be called a "saint"?

Converted?
Sanctified?
Something else?

God Bless,
Taken

Hi Taken, I believe the New Testament refers to all who have a saving faith in Christ as saint's, as per this passage.
1Co 1:1-2
(1) Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
(2) Unto the ekklesia of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

 

[Enoch111]

What do you think the clouds represent, Taken. it's his Majesty.

It is more likely that those "clouds" which surround Christ are the multitudes of saints and angels, all dressed in white and radiating light, and appearing as clouds from a distance, since the whole world will see the descent of Christ at His coming, and weep, and wail, and mourn, because He is brining judgment upon the ungodly.

If anyone is so called raptured up, they have to of died to be able to get a glorified body.

It is not a "so-called" Rapture but a very real future event which would technically be the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints. The Rapture is for the living saints at that time, the resurrection for those who have already died.

It's not really a good thing to want Jesus to come back because what it means is that the faithful have failed

1. Christ does not return because anyone "wants" to see this, but because God and Christ have PLANNED for His second coming to earth.

2. Also it is not because "the faithful have failed" but because the faithless have persisted in their unbelief and ungodliness.

3. Take some time to study the matter from both the OT an NT. The second coming of Christ is the most critical future event for the world and for the universe.

 

[Stranger]

So...you don't believe that "His enemies are His footstool" and "the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of the Lord" means "having all authority in heaven and on the earth" - which He said happened way back then.

Well, you're wrong.

Jesus is at present seated at the right hand of God. (Ps. 110:1) He will be there 'until' His enemies are made His footstool. Then He will begin His literal reign on earth. That hasn't happened yet. See also (Acts 2:34-36)

That Jesus has all authority in Heaven and on earth doesn't mean He is reigning on earth. As was seen in (Ps. 110:1), His enemies must be made His footstool. As is seen in (Rev 11:15) much has to happen for that to begin. satan at present is the prince of this world. Not Christ.

This is always to be part of our prayer to God. (Matt. 6:10) "Thy kingdom come thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven." satan must be cast out. The nations and Israel must be judged. Christ returns, His enemies are made His footstool, and He begins His literal reign upon the earth.

All is yet future.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

aw, ty for playing anyway, ok
you are gonna learn thief in the night the hard way i guess

Why ask me? Check your own quote post #72 last sentence.

God Bless,
Taken

sorry, i'm not getting it. i said "Return to Me, and I will return to you" addresses the cult of Sol perspective and nothing in the convo has made any sense to me since your reply there tbh. What does

How does a man born in sin "return" to the Lord the man was born against?

mean, in the context of the v? ty

 

[Taken]

What do you think the clouds represent, Taken. it's his Majesty.

I would say moreso, EVERYTHING the Lord has created is representative of His Power.

Biblically Jesus was known to be Emmanuel and Jesus when he was in the womb.

If anyone is so called raptured up, they have to of died to be able to get a glorified body.

The people cop the wrath is due to their rejection of God, it's there own doing = reaping what they Sow.

Jesus Christ has always been with us from the beginning and will be to the end, now he came in the flesh as a man Emmanuel 'God with us' and Jesus being our Saviour and when one understands that then you will know that he is your Lord 'Christ', now one can respect that is the truth, but not all are Born Again 'of the Holy Spirit', when one is truly Born Again the Salvation of the Lord is with you, just as it was with his mother Mary and it is pointed out that she was full of the Holy Spirit, Just as was St Stephen and we can see in Acts 7: that Stephen is doing the will of God, he is pointing out the facts as to the God that the stupid Jews have abandoned for the works and madness of man and that's why the morons killed him, then Saul got the message and became Paul, he knew Stephen was speaking form Gods perspective, when the penny dropped and he was born again of the Holy Spirit.

When Jesus came for the Jews 'believing people of the faith', but as a whole they were spent as a people of God but only for some who remained as of both tribes. so will the same be of His Church in the last days, Christianity is spent nowadays and only a small present know Jesus, the rest are on about the works of man, because they have been lead astray and have all sorts of stupid idols that they look up to.

I am in agreement with most everything you have said.

It's not really a good thing to want Jesus to come back because what it means is that the faithful have failed, lost there way and that there will be hell to pay and this could of been avoided if the Church was true to Jesus and that's all we need is to be true to Jesus as our Lord and the problem is solved, but wanting the 2ed coming is a Sin, because that is just a people in despair who are lost. we Have Jesus Christ and that's all we ever needed and we will ever need regardless and the people who come out of the hell fire will know that Jesus Christ is the same from the beginning to the end.

I see the faithful as victorious in accepting the Lords Power to overcome darkness, which CAN ONLY be accomplished THROUGH Christ.

So you have the Holy Spirit or you don't regardless, be it 2ed coming or not, so why would one want to tempt the Lord, that's what people are doing when they look to the 2ed coming in fact.

I do not see LOOKING forward to His second coming as TEMPTING the Lord, but rather Being Prepared and Watching the Signs He gives and Looking Forward to Metting Him, AS HE IS.

It's why do you want Hell Fire to come down on people,

It is not a matter of WANTING HELL fire to come down on people....but rather LOOKING FORWARD TO Occupying Mankinds Estate that has become ANEW, void of Corruption, WITH other People who are VOID of Corruption, With THEE Holy Lord conducting the World "government" VOID of Corruption.

I don't wish that on people but I do wist that they will only come to Jesus Christ, because that's all anyone needs.

Mankind has FREEWILL. Wishing WILL NOT "cause" ALL of mankind to TRUST to Believe, or ELECT to give their LIFE TO the Lord.
You may WANT all to Trust and Give their LIFE TO the Lord.... But there is NO indication that that WILL BE the case.

The Lord desires ALL SHALL "Believe", and they Worship Him....ANS THAT WILL HAPPEN.
However ALL WILL NOT Be SAVED.

The problem is that Satan "the one who leads the whole world astray" has undermined all the Churches, just like they did with Israel and Judah, it's the same game play at hand here going on of deceptions.

I will agree to that.

The Governments are getting rid of Church and State and the Churches are that corrupt that they are letting it happen and the Government are becoming our Socialist god of mans works ha ha good luck with that, not to mention the media is idolised, well well well who was it that was against Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, Hey Hey Hey ! do you all know who it was in fact that worked to undermine Jesus.

Yes. I could do a lengthy expose' on Governments. However in short; Many people ARE and WILL continue to ACCEPT Governments as "their" Savior.

Tell me who were against Jesus and who are the same such nowadays, have they changed there spots ? Jesus said that you will know them by there works.

In short, that is to say; You will know a man by what he does, rather than what he says.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Hi Taken, I believe the New Testament refers to all who have a saving faith in Christ as saint's, as per this passage.
1Co 1:1-2
(1) Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
(2) Unto the ekklesia of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Agree, however would say that is not the extent, meaning:

There ARE men from the OT who were saints, called so, AFTER their bodily deaths.

They Believed IN God, AND, IN the Word of God, unknown to them, as Gods Word having the NAME Jesus. They believed in the Messiah, yet unknown to them, the Messiah, being called THEE Son of God.

It is AFTER Jesus arrival on Earth, the revelation ABOUT WHO Jesus IS....began being REVEALED.
It was His "APPEARENCE" that baffled the Jews (for the most part).. hearing Him CALLED the SON of God...SEEING Him...WAS NOT what "THEY" expected HOW their "MESSIAH" would LOOK...and NOT up to the expectation of WHAT they could Comprehend.

He did not Sit on a Jewish Throne and make Every Jew Continue their Earthy LIFE, With an Everlasting Earthly/Natural Life, and make every enemy Nation/Peoples thereof, powerless AGAINST the Jews.

In short; While many were astounded at His WORKS, He was not what they EXPECTED, nor DID things in the MANNER, they EXPECTED.

Reviewing History....SOME Jews DID accept Jesus, regardless of the consequences...SOME tried to accept Jesus, but could not tolerate the consequences...(thus the Jewish Churches continue "the OLD WAY", to believe in GOD and Continue WAITING for their MESSIAH)...and SOME Today Do a MIX of sorts, Remaing Jews, Faithful to God, His Laws, festivals, traditions, AND accept Christ Jesus as their Savior, becoming Converted Jews, calling themselves Messianic Jews...
(Not Christians).

And the Good News IS;
"Saint-hood" that was once a term bestowed upon men AFTER their physical bodily death"
IS a term "bestowed upon men AFTER they become Converted, having given their LIFE TO the Lord, and spiritually CRUCIFIED with Him"...(while their Physical body retains it's life (which is Blood).

My point about Ephesians, was yes it was TO the Converted, A list of PRECEPTS / directional expectations FOR a Converted mans behavior FOR his own well being, AND OTHERS to outwardly Observe.

We can not PRESUME, ONLY the Converted were LISTENING. Jesus Himself often would state the OBVIOUS TO those Converted, expressly for the benefit of Others EARS who were nearby.

Eph 5; 25
Love toward ones wife, as Christ Loved the Church...

A direction in HOW one should love their Wife.

Eph 5: 26
So that what? The Church CAN BE SANCTIFIED.

Point being; The Church IS the Converted.
The Converted ARE Sanctified.

Those standing By listening, who are NOT Converted, ARE not His Church, but IF Hearing those words, they (might) comprehend HOW a man WHO becomes Converted, WILL Love His Wife.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

aw, ty for playing anyway, ok
you are gonna learn thief in the night the hard way i guess

sorry, i'm not getting it. i said "Return to Me, and I will return to you" addresses the cult of Sol perspective and nothing in the convo has made any sense to me since your reply there tbh. What does

mean, in the context of the v? ty

Most of the time, conversing with you is a guessing game of what you are talking about.
Understanding the difference between carnal understanding and spiritual understanding is challenging enough without trying to cipher your meaning without an urban dictonary.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

What do you think the clouds represent, Taken. it's his Majesty.

prolly not, wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

Most of the time, conversing with you is a guessing game of what you are talking about.
Understanding the difference between carnal understanding and spiritual understanding is challenging enough without trying to cipher your meaning without an urban dictonary.

sorry, i'm not getting it. i said "Return to Me, and I will return to you" addresses the cult of Sol perspective and nothing in the convo has made any sense to me since your reply there tbh.

Sorry, i'm not getting it. I said "Return to Me, and I will return to you" addresses the cult of Sol perspective and nothing in the conversation has made any sense to me since your reply there, to be honest

Return to Me, and I will return to you
addresses that perspective perfectly imo

How does a man born in sin "return" to the Lord the man was born against?

right here iow, not that i expect any clarity at this point, but just so you are at least made aware


also, you posted a Psalm ref that i haven't addressed, and cannot now find, if you would like to repost it

 

[bbyrd009]

I will never leave you, nor forsake you
Return to Me, and I will return to you
until the day dawns and the morning star (Christ) arises in your hearts.

run from ppl telling you that they are waiting for Jesus to return, if you know what's good for you

 

[bbyrd009]

bbyrd009 said:
Return to Me, and I will return to you

Looking forward to the day He returns for me.

when you quote ppl that way they do not get a tag, just so you know.

You are looking forward to a lie that is even outed by Scripture bl, and you are reasoning away Scripture right here to do it? wadr

i mean, could you address the Quote some kind of way, idc really how, either "in my opinion God is mistaken," or "God better get with my program then," or however you meant your refute of the verse to be taken? ty

 

[ScottA]

Yeah, well, I might stick with my scriptures over your say so, if you don't mind. And in the end we'll just have to see, won't we? But I think it's time to leave it...

Very well. Such is the word of the Lord. Because we both revere the word, I will leave you with this:

You say, "In the [end]", but I will say just as the scriptures say: "In the [beginning] was the Word." If you can receive it, this reveals the true order of things just as I have been telling you.

God bless you!

 

[ScottA]

Jesus is at present seated at the right hand of God. (Ps. 110:1) He will be there 'until' His enemies are made His footstool. Then He will begin His literal reign on earth. That hasn't happened yet. See also (Acts 2:34-36)

That Jesus has all authority in Heaven and on earth doesn't mean He is reigning on earth. As was seen in (Ps. 110:1), His enemies must be made His footstool. As is seen in (Rev 11:15) much has to happen for that to begin. satan at present is the prince of this world. Not Christ.

This is always to be part of our prayer to God. (Matt. 6:10) "Thy kingdom come thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven." satan must be cast out. The nations and Israel must be judged. Christ returns, His enemies are made His footstool, and He begins His literal reign upon the earth.

All is yet future.

Stranger

You say the "present" and the "future", and for your sake, so does His word, which is in parable. But it also says, "before the foundation of the world", and for this reason, the Lord qualifies, "If you can receive it."

Thus, there is no need for us to squabble, but to receive all things "each in his own order", as it is written.

God bless!

 

[Stranger]

You say the "present" and the "future", and for your sake, so does His word, which is in parable. But it also says, "before the foundation of the world", and for this reason, the Lord qualifies, "If you can receive it."

Thus, there is no need for us to squabble, but to receive all things "each in his own order", as it is written.

God bless!

What parable? The parable is yours.

Where does it say that? You like to say things yet not give the address.

Stranger

 

[ScottA]

What parable? The parable is yours.

Where does it say that? You like to say things yet not give the address.

Stranger

Why do you criticize me when it is you who has not done your homework?

Ephesians 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Mark 4:11 KJV
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parable.

 

[Stranger]

Why do you criticize me when it is you who has not done your homework?

Ephesians 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Mark 4:11 KJV
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parable.

So, you consider yourself with those who reject Christ and therefore Christ speaks to you in parable? Interesting.

Stranger

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It is more likely that those "clouds" which surround Christ are the multitudes of saints and angels, all dressed in white and radiating light, and appearing as clouds from a distance, since the whole world will see the descent of Christ at His coming, and weep, and wail, and mourn, because He is brining judgment upon the ungodly.

It is not a "so-called" Rapture but a very real future event which would technically be the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints. The Rapture is for the living saints at that time, the resurrection for those who have already died.

1. Christ does not return because anyone "wants" to see this, but because God and Christ have PLANNED for His second coming to earth.

2. Also it is not because "the faithful have failed" but because the faithless have persisted in their unbelief and ungodliness.

3. Take some time to study the matter from both the OT an NT. The second coming of Christ is the most critical future event for the world and for the universe.

Coming in his majesty is the saints abiding in this.

Oh I do understand the mater form the OT and NT for sure to be sure, but it's the way that I have heard many people claim such is what bothers me.

All people will cop the wrath and no one will be raptured up out of the world into some fantasy land and the only reason for such is due to the world turning there backs on God.

I have many people saying to me that they are going to be taken out of the Hellfire, so they can push to create the hellfire now, that's doing evil in my books and it's because they are not Born Again, I do not believe in 2 wrongs make a right.

I say that we only abide in Jesus Christ only regardless, doing his will and all will or would be fine sailing for ever.

I know that the day will come that Jesus comes back in his majesty for sure, but that has nothing to do with me, he comes at his own time, but the thing is that a Christian only abides in the Lord Jesus regardless, as it makes no difference. so one is Born Again or you are not, that's it regardless, what God does that's is his call.

But as to man I will just be like the Prophets pointing out the wrongs of un Godly men.

The thing that we come to be talking about nowadays is that it looks like that them days are apon us, so sure I know, I am for warned as anyone can be. but I don't go running about ranting about off with the pixies stuff.

I agree on your 1 and 2 points, but on the 3ed point I know that, but would you want the hellfire ? I am like I don't wish such on my loved ones or many great people to have too deal with the likes of WW3, I am ok to deal with it my self as I am prepared.
I know to whom it is that I am dealing with and it does not scare me because I will walk straight through the bastard.

 

[Taken]

Sorry, i'm not getting it. I said "Return to Me, and I will return to you" addresses the cult of Sol perspective and nothing in the conversation has made any sense to me since your reply there, to be honest

right here iow, not that i expect any clarity at this point, but just so you are at least made aware


also, you posted a Psalm ref that i haven't addressed, and cannot now find, if you would like to repost it

Nah, I'll pass.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stumpmaster]

Agree, however would say that is not the extent, meaning:

There ARE men from the OT who were saints, called so, AFTER their bodily deaths.

They Believed IN God, AND, IN the Word of God, unknown to them, as Gods Word having the NAME Jesus. They believed in the Messiah, yet unknown to them, the Messiah, being called THEE Son of God.

It is AFTER Jesus arrival on Earth, the revelation ABOUT WHO Jesus IS....began being REVEALED.
It was His "APPEARENCE" that baffled the Jews (for the most part).. hearing Him CALLED the SON of God...SEEING Him...WAS NOT what "THEY" expected HOW their "MESSIAH" would LOOK...and NOT up to the expectation of WHAT they could Comprehend.

He did not Sit on a Jewish Throne and make Every Jew Continue their Earthy LIFE, With an Everlasting Earthly/Natural Life, and make every enemy Nation/Peoples thereof, powerless AGAINST the Jews.

In short; While many were astounded at His WORKS, He was not what they EXPECTED, nor DID things in the MANNER, they EXPECTED.

Reviewing History....SOME Jews DID accept Jesus, regardless of the consequences...SOME tried to accept Jesus, but could not tolerate the consequences...(thus the Jewish Churches continue "the OLD WAY", to believe in GOD and Continue WAITING for their MESSIAH)...and SOME Today Do a MIX of sorts, Remaing Jews, Faithful to God, His Laws, festivals, traditions, AND accept Christ Jesus as their Savior, becoming Converted Jews, calling themselves Messianic Jews...
(Not Christians).

And the Good News IS;
"Saint-hood" that was once a term bestowed upon men AFTER their physical bodily death"
IS a term "bestowed upon men AFTER they become Converted, having given their LIFE TO the Lord, and spiritually CRUCIFIED with Him"...(while their Physical body retains it's life (which is Blood).

My point about Ephesians, was yes it was TO the Converted, A list of PRECEPTS / directional expectations FOR a Converted mans behavior FOR his own well being, AND OTHERS to outwardly Observe.

We can not PRESUME, ONLY the Converted were LISTENING. Jesus Himself often would state the OBVIOUS TO those Converted, expressly for the benefit of Others EARS who were nearby.

Eph 5; 25
Love toward ones wife, as Christ Loved the Church...

A direction in HOW one should love their Wife.

Eph 5: 26
So that what? The Church CAN BE SANCTIFIED.

Point being; The Church IS the Converted.
The Converted ARE Sanctified.

Those standing By listening, who are NOT Converted, ARE not His Church, but IF Hearing those words, they (might) comprehend HOW a man WHO becomes Converted, WILL Love His Wife.

God Bless,
Taken

Agreed, thanks for your edifying remarks.