No this is not a part of a permanent salvation doctrine.OSAS also teaches and warns everyone to be the same as the beast in sins and trespasses, lest they be not saved by righteousness and pride.
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No this is not a part of a permanent salvation doctrine.OSAS also teaches and warns everyone to be the same as the beast in sins and trespasses, lest they be not saved by righteousness and pride.
'Are' is present tense, and Saved is perfect participle: It speaks of a beginning that is presently ongoing: Are saved, and are being saved.The "ones having been saved", in Ephesians 2:8, that's the Perfect tense, which speaks of a once and it's effect continues action.
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'Are' is present tense, and Saved is perfect participle: It speaks of a beginning that is presently ongoing: Are saved, and are being saved.
Is this the passage you have in mind?It's the same for standing in the faith: For by faith do ye stand. Another perfect participle of having stood and still standing: a beginning that is presently ongoing.
Yes. The doctrine of having once been saved, with no condition on being saved, is just as false as having once stood by faith, with no more condition of remaining standing by that same faith.Is this the passage you have in mind?
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Perfect Active = We stand (remaining standing)
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Be ye standing firm, Present active.
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For faith ye have stood, Perfect active, You stand (remaining standing)
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"ones having been saved", a nominative. This word form is used 1 other place,
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By grace you are ones having been saved . . . "by grace ye are saved"
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So then you can see how the words are different in these passages, different tenses, different uses?Yes. The doctrine of having once been saved, with no condition on being saved, is just as false as having once stood by faith, with no more condition of remaining standing by that same faith.
So long as the big 'If' is including in are and shall be saved, then I agree.So then you can see how the words are different in these passages, different tenses, different uses?
I think the correct answer here is to recognize that salvation is spoken of in 3 different ways, that we are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. Each in turn is described in the Bible. We are saved in having been reconciled to God, and born again. We are being saved as God preserves us throughout our lives, keeping us until the end. We will be saved as He completes our redemption in our resurrection.
We can look at the individual passages if you like.
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Scripture shows a much different picture from that.The body of sin is not the physical flesh,
. . . for He has promised, I will never leave you nor forsake you. That is His promise. Should we not believe Him?If we do not forsake Him, He certainly will not forsake us in our time of need for His grace to help endure temptation and continue overcoming sin, both within the heart and bodily.