Error of Once Saved
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'Are' is present tense, and Saved is perfect participle: It speaks of a beginning that is presently ongoing: Are saved, and are being saved.
It's the same for standing in the faith: For by faith do ye stand. Another perfect participle of having stood and still standing: a beginning that is presently ongoing.
Even as there is no 'having stood' by faith, in exclusion of standing presently, neither is there 'having been saved' apart from being saved.
The ongoing is conditional on going on in His righteousness and sinning no more.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
No man is being saved in sins and trespasses.
Ephesians 2:8 LITV
For by grace you are saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
Ephesians 2:8 YLT
for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you—of God the gift,
By grace ye are saved through faith
By grace you are (that is, you are now, and continue to be) saved through faith (that is, the ones who have been saved through faith - a nominative).
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Is this the passage you have in mind?
Perfect Active = We stand (remaining standing)
Be ye standing firm, Present active.
For faith ye have stood, Perfect active, You stand (remaining standing)
"ones having been saved", a nominative. This word form is used 1 other place,
By grace you are ones having been saved . . . "by grace ye are saved"
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Yes. The doctrine of having once been saved, with no condition on being saved, is just as false as having once stood by faith, with no more condition of remaining standing by that same faith.
True security of salvation is staying saved by faith through grace: the assurance is, if we continue standing steadfastly walking in His steps, He will continue washing us clean of sins in His fellowship.
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.
Not turning back to the days of unbelief, which is known by returning to the days of old sins, that were once crucified with Christ.
The body of sin is not the physical flesh, but rather the old life of spiritual darkness walking after the flesh: the sum and entirety of body of works in one's life.
The body of work is the lifetime of work: the works of a lifetime, whether sinful or righteous.
The physical body is not dead, until the spirit of man departs this life. The old man and life of sin is dead and crucified with Christ by receiving Him with power to become sons of God: Circumcision of the heart by the Spirit and mortifying the old sinful deeds of the body by faith.
So then you can see how the words are different in these passages, different tenses, different uses?
I think the correct answer here is to recognize that salvation is spoken of in 3 different ways, that we are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. Each in turn is described in the Bible. We are saved in having been reconciled to God, and born again. We are being saved as God preserves us throughout our lives, keeping us until the end. We will be saved as He completes our redemption in our resurrection.
We can look at the individual passages if you like.
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So long as the big 'If' is including in are and shall be saved, then I agree.
It is only assured in Christ, if we do our part and not turn away from His steps in spirit, soul, and body:
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If we do not forsake Him, He certainly will not forsake us in our time of need for His grace to help endure temptation and continue overcoming sin, both within the heart and bodily.
Scripture shows a much different picture from that.
You an look at every time a word appears, and you will find some that are crystal clear from their context what they are talking about, and others simply use the word, but without particular identifying characteristics.
"Once we knew Jesus according to the flesh, but now we know Him that way no longer", that's an example. What 'the flesh' means here is not shown in the context.
Colossians 1:24 KJV
24) Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Here the context is the physical affliction suffered by Paul.
Colossians 1:21-22 KJV
21) And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Here, body and flesh both mean exactly what they seem, the physical flesh body.
Acts 2:30 KJV
30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Here, flesh refers to the physicallity of our being. That according ancestry as accounted in the body, that is, who was born from whom.
I assert that in all cases where you look at the word flesh - sarx - you will find this to be true, that all contexts where a specific use is shown that they refer to the physicallity of our being. Our body, the fleshiness of our bodies, the things that pertain to the body. And "body" - soma - will show two uses, the spiritual body of Christ, and the physical body of man.
If we hold to the meaning given by usage in the Bible, that's the meaning, and when we apply that meaning generally, we find a harmony throughout.
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. . . for He has promised, I will never leave you nor forsake you. That is His promise. Should we not believe Him?
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