attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[Philip James]

Who has claimed to be RC on this site? I am familiar with nearly every member here of the Catholic faith and I have not seen any of them declare themselves to be an RC Catholic.

Hi H2S,
I am a Catholic of the Roman rite and have never tried to hide that fact.

Pax et Bonum

 

[dev553344]

THEY were praying to GOD . Then an angel appeared . NOT the other way around . THEY were not praying to angels
THEN an angel appeared . exactly . Now pray to GOD and not to angels or men .

I think that assessment would take some assumption to arrive at.

 

[Philip James]

No . its ROME that contradicts . THERE is a huge difference between me asking someone for a cup of cold water
as there is to me praying to them .

You are incorrect. To earnestly ask is indeed a defenition of 'pray'.

However if you reject that usage of the word, then by your definition, we do not pray to the saints.

If one wishes to have an honest dialogue, they should at least attempt to understand what the other is trying to convey by their use of language.

Pax et Bonum

 

[amigo de christo]

You are incorrect. To earnestly ask is indeed a defenition of 'pray'.

However if you reject that usage of the word, then by your definition, we do not pray to the saints.

If one wishes to have an honest dialogue, they should at least attempt to understand what the other is trying to convey by their use of language.

Pax et Bonum

No its not . THEY taught it was . If i was in prison and earnestly asked a passerby for some water
that aint even the same as praying to them . Just cause prayer has requests
dont mean all requests are prayer . THIS is but a way to justify the behavoir of the CC .

 

[amadeus]

I'm not familiar with the SDA religion. But I know from having been a Mormon that the word cult is offensive in a similar way to degrading a specific people like a minority. By it's definition the word cult is used for a small group of people like a minority. I don't use the word cult as I find it counterproductive to my correction of a false doctrine.

I am certainly with you on this. I stopped using the word, cult, many years ago with reference to religious groups. What group of people consists of only those flawless before God? Such a one might have no beams in the eye... but I know of not a single one.

 

[dev553344]

No its not . THEY taught it was . If i was in prison and earnestly asked a passerby for some water
that aint even the same as praying to them . Just cause prayer has requests
dont mean all requests are prayer . THIS is but a way to justify the behavoir of the CC .

OK, amigo, I looked up the definition of the word pray. As I think we can communicate with spirit angels of God thru thought and feelings. And the definition was this:

pray
/prā/

Learn to pronounce


verb
gerund or present participle: praying
address a solemn request or expression of thanks to a deity or other object of worship.

So I think if they worship the virgin Mary then it could be considered prayer. But simply attempting a communication is not the definition of prayer or praying.

I have to check this as I have been lead astray on this forum so many times over the years that I can't count. Let's stick to the truth of what things are.

 

[Philip James]

No its not . THEY taught it was . If i was in prison and earnestly asked a passerby for some water
that aint even the same as praying to them . Just cause prayer has requests
dont mean all requests are prayer . THIS is but a way to justify the behavoir of the CC .

Definition of pray


transitive verb

1: ENTREAT, IMPLORE —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or pleapray be careful

Definition of PRAY

Pax et Bonum

 

[amadeus]

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I think it is. ¿
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My hearing and my memory are both not so good, so you could be right. Perhaps I need to review my MASH episodes LOL. This could be important to someone...

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Well I think @amigo de christo was trying to counsel me as if he were my Bishop in my church and telling me God was convicting me, and I didn't see it that way. But I think he would do well to re-read my recent posts that clearly spell out a church and leadership as discussed in the bible. For instance:

1 Timothy 3:2-13

John 20:23

And these verses spell out the church organization lead by the 12 apostles whom Christ gave authority to forgive and retain the sins of any.

So it would appear this original church had authority from Christ.

Timothy was a brother to Paul.
Timithy was also the administrator of the churches Paul established in Ephesus. And that letter of 1st Timothy was written in 65 A.D.

 

[dev553344]

Timothy was a brother to Paul.
Timithy was also the administrator of the churches Paul established in Ephesus. And that letter of 1st Timothy was written in 65 A.D.

OK, but some churches today claim authority from Christ. And I think the only way to know that is a communication from the Holy Spirit telling us that. If the Holy Spirit is directing a leadership in a church, then it is by the Holy Spirit that we know that also as members of a particular church.

What do you think?

 

[amadeus]

OK, but some churches today claim authority from Christ. And I think the only way to know that is a communication from the Holy Spirit telling us that. If the Holy Spirit is directing a leadership in a church, then it is by the Holy Spirit that we know that also as members of a particular church.

What do you think?

Man, alone, does not know and cannot find his way along God's Way. The "eyes" to see God's Way are via the Holy Spirit. "What is it?" equals manna, which I believe speaks of the Word of God.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hi H2S,
I am a Catholic of the Roman rite and have never tried to hide that fact.

Pax et Bonum

I have never seen a post of yours saying that. Well now I know one.

 

[dev553344]

Man, alone, does not know and cannot find his way along God's Way. The "eyes" to see God's Way are via the Holy Spirit. "What is it?" equals manna, which I believe speaks of the Word of God.

I believe that is true. And also believe that once God has taught us we can do as he has instructed. After studying sin I found that God's commandments were all about showing love and acting in love. And I think once instructed, we can act in the way that we believe it to be.

 

[Jack]

If a single Democrat gets to heaven I don't wanna go there..

Sinners can't be saved?

 

[WalkInLight]

They are creatures who serve and glorify God.

I have personal testimony of the efficacy of the intercession of the saints. St. Andre Bissette's prayers were instrumental in the healing of my son.
Thanks be to God!

Saint Brother André - Saint Joseph's Oratory of MountRoyal

Pax et Bonum

Two situations, a prayer and recovery are two things but faith links them.

My own position is based on God's word and intentions. Amen that prayer is answered, but I refrain from talking to dead people because that is banned behaviour. It is banned simply because there is no way to tell lies from truth so is 100% unreliable. Are we speaking to a demon or a loving believing individual? That should worry anyone who goes there.

It is bad enough talking with the living, but they have limits and backgrounds.

The trouble with giving authority to the dead is they become equally as important as God and so is error...

God bless you

 

[WalkInLight]

Well I had a deep and powerful spirit experience after attending Catholic Mass a few times where I had a vision of what I think was the virgin Mary that confirmed that she was involved with God in something related to my forgiveness. I'll look into it some more. I don't know.

The problem with visions is us. Our minds resolve issues by creating realities that push us in the best direction they need.

I saw how Hindus can love their gods. You get the image and a feeling, and it all slots into place. Guys on LSD see the most profound colours, but it is just colours.

Why Jesus speaks to me because He describes the plain of life and its simplicity and complexity. He unlocks the door of hurt and pain and brings in eternal love and peace. It is not a vision but a living reality, something more real every day.

Man is so fickle every day but God is the rock who stays true

God bless you

 

[dev553344]

The problem with visions is us. Our minds resolve issues by creating realities that push us in the best direction they need.

I saw how Hindus can love their gods. You get the image and a feeling, and it all slots into place. Guys on LSD see the most profound colours, but it is just colours.

Why Jesus speaks to me because He describes the plain of life and its simplicity and complexity. He unlocks the door of hurt and pain and brings in eternal love and peace. It is not a vision but a living reality, something more real every day.

Man is so fickle every day but God is the rock who stays true

God bless you

When God speaks to me, including that particular vision, I know it is him as he fills me with immense Love, Peace and sometimes Joy that last for hours. They are described in the bible for all to know as the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Nothing delusional about it. And yes evil loves evil. But I would image it feels very different than the Holy Spirits love does.

 

[Dropship]

If a single Democrat gets to heaven I don't wanna go there..

Sinners can't be saved?

Only if they truly repent before they die..

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

OK, but some churches today claim authority from Christ. And I think the only way to know that is a communication from the Holy Spirit telling us that. If the Holy Spirit is directing a leadership in a church, then it is by the Holy Spirit that we know that also as members of a particular church.

What do you think?

I think when the church of God in Christ is the faithful in Christ, should we gather together to worship and commune together, we shall know if the holy spirit is among us by how we teach, and feel in that presence of one another.
Where two or more are gathered, he is there among us also.

 

[Brakelite]

That's not unusual for the worldly egocentrics is it?

Think about man's place in the history of dispensing God's words.
''You're'' [impersonal contraction] asking readers to believe the power within all creation entrusted you to take dictation as to his plans for eternity.We objectified a spirit and made it male in the process.

Now, many centuries later, many councils afterward, over 40 diffetent male authors past, and countless ''versions'' of a universal message, and dozens of denominations interpreting said message over the ages we've arrived at where we are today.

In a world worse now than before the Prince of Peace arrived with a new testimony.

It's a human thing. That insured as long as we exist here, the world and we are always going to need to be saved.....from us.

Given your perspective on the way the world is, and I agree it's a mess, and considering such a state of affairs to be without doubt a complete departure from God's ways, and consequently viewed from heaven as even more revolting than we could possibly imagine, why would you think it unusual or even undesirable for God to raise up a prophet to exalt His character and encourage the church to seek Him and stand only upon His word, particularly as we are so close to witnessing His return?