attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[L.A.M.B.]

Finally someone recognizes in heaven there will be no denominations and no doctrine of men churches !

There will be no segretation according to ethnicity either.

What the word says is to whom much is given, much will be required.
Luke 12 46-49 ( cxt )

And to him, she, us ,we ,I or you, that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.THIS.->
Luke 12:18-21 ( cxt )
We cannot think on our own glory, our own possessions, our own family & friends, nor even our own self.
20. But God said unto him,Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided.

It is time WE GOT REAL AND SERIOUS with God. STOP clinging to what someone taught you, or what opinions or commentaries youve read.
We will give account of ourselves either to Christ judgment or God great white throne judgment, YOUR CHOICE.

Study, pray. Study, pray until you know GODS DOCTRINE & THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD !

 

[Lizbeth]

No . its ROME that contradicts . THERE is a huge difference between me asking someone for a cup of cold water
as there is to me praying to them . Rome sold you all a lie to justify its own lie .
While prayer itself contains requests , ITs not the same as one simply asking another for something .
PRAY TO GOD not to man . PRAY TO GOD not to angels . PRAY to GOD and flee the CC forever and never look back .

Amen. Prayer is worship. It's bowing one's soul and communing spirit to spirit to the one you are praying and making supplication to. And if any don't want to believe that then why don't they at least accept that it certainly is not permitted by God to communicate with the dead. I'm really tired of hearing the never ending justifications and excuses for violating God's clear and plain instructions in His word, over and over again. "Oh this isn't that, it's really something else." Well of course they are deceived, or deceiving themselves, but God isn't being fooled. The Lord, being all wise and knowing the things that man in his flesh is prone to (nothing new under the sun) sought to steer us away from things that give the devil a foothold, but many just keep on choosing their own way over His. For many their "church" is their idol, and they are choosing their church and it's teachings over God and His word.

 

[Lizbeth]

Meld with paganism? Hardly!

Syncretism is verboten.

However reordering cultural practices so that they are properly focused on Christ, is something else entirely..

'capture every thought for Christ!'

Pax et Bonum

I'm having computer problems so don't know if my earlier reply eventually got posted somewhere or not....but it's common knowledge how many catholics the world over are baptized and attend mass, while still practicing and celebrating their pagan religions. The Catholic church apparently doesn't have much of a problem with that as long as they also bow down to Rome...otherwise they would excommunicate those folks. It's just like ancient Babylon, and just like ancient pagan Rome....the same spirit passed on down to succeeding 'kingdoms'. The ecumenical movement is right in line with it. But God will not have His people serving two masters....and there is only one Way to the Father, not many.

 

[Brakelite]

I'm having computer problems so don't know if my earlier reply eventually got posted somewhere or not....but it's common knowledge how many catholics the world over are baptized and attend mass, while still practicing and celebrating their pagan religions. The Catholic church apparently doesn't have much of a problem with that as long as they also bow down to Rome...otherwise they would excommunicate those folks. It's just like ancient Babylon, and just like ancient pagan Rome....the same spirit passed on down to succeeding 'kingdoms'. The ecumenical movement is right in line with it. But God will not have His people serving two masters....and there is only one Way to the Father, not many.

Well said. A book I read some 30 or so years ago was highly revealing. Written by an investigative journalist, titled "In God's Name", it was a fascinating insight into Vatican finance, in particular the Vatican Bank and it's connections to Italian Mafia and several scandals I involving the then director of the bank who despite having several warrants for his arrest and extradition applications to America to face investigators, was protected by the Vatican and as far as I know, stayed there till he died.

 

[True Faith]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

Coming from experience from this site... they do not even follow scripture at all....

The second you call them out for their lies and deceit, they automatically make the claim that it is a " Character Attack".... lol....

The ones who cannot answer questions are the ones who get angry and offended because they are backed into a corner....

What did Paul say???.... Titus 1:9-16 "9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

They cannot handle the truth because it offends them and they will go after each and every person who stands for the truth...

They will never answer direct questions without lying or making Jesus and God Himself out to be a liar with their answers...

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Prayer is worship. It's bowing one's soul and communing spirit to spirit to the one you are praying and making supplication to. And if any don't want to believe that then why don't they at least accept that it certainly is not permitted by God to communicate with the dead. I'm really tired of hearing the never ending justifications and excuses for violating God's clear and plain instructions in His word, over and over again. "Oh this isn't that, it's really something else." Well of course they are deceived, or deceiving themselves, but God isn't being fooled. The Lord, being all wise and knowing the things that man in his flesh is prone to (nothing new under the sun) sought to steer us away from things that give the devil a foothold, but many just keep on choosing their own way over His. For many their "church" is their idol, and they are choosing their church and it's teachings over God and His word.

SPOT ON RIGHT DEAR SISTER .
The true soldier of CHRIST will not compromise the TRUTH for the doctrines of men gone wrong .
The true soldier of the CC will find any way , and any way to justify the teachings of their beloved CC .
Any simple child knows there is a big difference between asking someone for a cup of water
VERSES praying to them . BUT THEY DO everything they can do try and make it seem as though
IF YOU EVEN ASK SOMEONE for something ITS THE SAME AS PRAYER . ANYTHING to not see the truth that exposes their lie .
BUT ANYONE can see and does know that there is a huge difference between ASKING someone verses PRAYING TO SOMEONE .
That CC is deadly , dangerous and i refuse to heed a word it says . STICK in the bible sister .
I Know a broke clock is right twice a day so dont expect them to be wrong on everything they say
BUT , I SURE AS HECK aint gonna be putting all my trust IN A BROKE CLOCK if ya KNOW what i mean .
PS they even justify why they burn incense in before statues .
DO you truly believe that peter or mary or any angel is cheering them on when they make such images
to men and to angels . NO WAY . Even the angels would say , DONT MAKE images to us , WORSHIP GOD , PRAY TO HIM
AND if peter or mary or any other saint who has gone on to be with the LORD were to appear , THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME THING THEY DID
IN LIFE . JUST LIKE peter did when cornelious himself tried to even KNEEL before PETER . HE SAID GET UP , I AM JUST A MAN LIKE YOU .
Rather odd that somehow along the way , PETER Went from correcting folks who tried to kneel before him
TO ONE WHO SITS ON A THRONE and HAS ALL WHO ENTER BEFORE IT , TO KNEEL AND KISS ITS RING .
I refuse that so called church . I will die before i allow folks to believe its okay to do those wicked things
I love THE PEOPLE . ITS WHy i do all to point anyone in the right dirction . AND PS , THE RIGHT DIRECTION LEADETH NOT TO ROME
but rather to JESUS CHRIST .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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I confess (my fault) that it's slightly amusing to watch you argue with yourself.

So do I really need thicker skin?

It could be that you're just kinda mean.
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I thyink it is a combo of both. I tend to sarcasm. It is my humor style.

I almost always start gentle and just deal with the differences and teh Scriptures that show why I believe a person is wrong. But if the other starts getting nasty, I will start getting harsher. I believe that is a very right biblical approach for many people who oppose themselves.

but to repeat here what I have written many many times. I am not angry at anybody, hate anybody or wish to see someone harmed.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

so who isnt in a culture?

Yes we are in a culture. and believers are in a divine culture. I write and speak hard on issues of import. Even with the students I have taught for over 35 years. I am very blunt and not very politically correct. Many people can slowly and gently like peeling the layers of an onion, get to teh main issue. Me? I am like a Ginzu chef! Take a knife and Whoosh! Cut to the heart of the matter. Different personality types for different types of people.

I can be gently and tender with those who are hurting or are seriously searching, but come across as very harsh to those who have dug their heels in in a belief, that all my teaching and training and study has told me is wrong!

 

[True Faith]

Yes we are in a culture. and believers are in a divine culture. I write and speak hard on issues of import. Even with the students I have taught for over 35 years. I am very blunt and not very politically correct. Many people can slowly and gently like peeling the layers of an onion, get to teh main issue. Me? I am like a Ginzu chef! Take a knife and Whoosh! Cut to the heart of the matter. Different personality types for different types of people.

I can be gently and tender with those who are hurting or are seriously searching, but come across as very harsh to those who have dug their heels in in a belief, that all my teaching and training and study has told me is wrong!

Just coming into this... I too am extremely blunt as Scripture demands... So what is it that you believe based upon your training??? serious question..

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Just coming into this... I too am extremely blunt as Scripture demands... So what is it that you believe based upon your training??? serious question..

You want an exhaustive doctrinal statemetn or do you have something a little more specific in mind?

 

[True Faith]

so what you are saying is you cannot state your beliefs without an exhaustive explanation????...

I mean I can explain mine plain and simple... I believe that we are still bound to the Laws of God, That in order to be born of God you do not submit to sin, that Jesus is not nor never was God Himself simply because God can never tell a lie...

Just saying is all... state your beliefs simply and if there are questions, rest assured, questions will be asked...

 

[Ronald Nolette]

so what you are saying is you cannot state your beliefs without an exhaustive explanation????...

I mean I can explain mine plain and simple... I believe that we are still bound to the Laws of God, That in order to be born of God you do not submit to sin, that Jesus is not nor never was God Himself simply because God can never tell a lie...

Just saying is all... state your beliefs simply and if there are questions, rest assured, questions will be asked...

I believe as the bible writes that Father, son and Spirit are all divine or God. they are not the same people but all are equal in divinity.

I believe salvation is based on trusting in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus alone as the full payment of all my sin, past. present and future. As Scripture declares.

Obeying the NT commands do not save us at all, nor keep us saved nor enhance our salvation. good deeds that are acceptable in the sight of God are the outworking of being made a new creature in Christ and given eternal life which as Jessus said we will never perish.

these are two siccinct beliefs I hold among hundreds of other beliefs based on the Word of God!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

so what you are saying is you cannot state your beliefs without an exhaustive explanation????...

I mean I can explain mine plain and simple... I believe that we are still bound to the Laws of God, That in order to be born of God you do not submit to sin, that Jesus is not nor never was God Himself simply because God can never tell a lie...

Just saying is all... state your beliefs simply and if there are questions, rest assured, questions will be asked...

Lol.......

You should have kept this to yourself.


You deny Jesus as God, he will deny you also.

The law brought us to grace through which we now live. Under grace we no longer need as a schoolmaster to sin.

Oh and another sinless perfectionist...........

 

[True Faith]

I believe as the bible writes that Father, son and Spirit are all divine or God. they are not the same people but all are equal in divinity.

I believe salvation is based on trusting in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus alone as the full payment of all my sin, past. present and future. As Scripture declares.

Obeying the NT commands do not save us at all, nor keep us saved nor enhance our salvation. good deeds that are acceptable in the sight of God are the outworking of being made a new creature in Christ and given eternal life which as Jessus said we will never perish.

these are two siccinct beliefs I hold among hundreds of other beliefs based on the Word of God!

now that we have that out of the way... then whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own??? Remember you said "I believe as the bible writes that Father, son and Spirit are all divine or God. they are not the same people but all are equal in divinity."

Now the Doctrine of the trinity states that Jesus is not God based upon divinity.. "He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself."

So again, how is Jesus God?

 

[True Faith]

Lol.......

You should have kept this to yourself.


You deny Jesus as God, he will deny you also.

The law brought us to grace through which we now live. Under grace we no longer need as a schoolmaster to sin.

Oh and another sinless perfectionist...........

Of course I deny he is God Himself because I do not believe that God is a liar...

 

[Philip James]

.but it's common knowledge how many catholics the world over are baptized and attend mass, while still practicing and celebrating their pagan religions

So if someone identifies themselves as Catholic but acts contrary to the teaching of the Church, that somehow comprimises the teaching of the Church?

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon." Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast" refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

Pax et Bonum

 

[Philip James]

IF YOU EVEN ASK SOMEONE for something ITS THE SAME AS PRAYER . ANYTHING to not see the truth that exposes their lie .

Amigo, how many times do i have to show the definition of 'pray'?

That you refuse to accept our usage of that word in any way but your own definition, then by your definition, we do not pray to the saints.. We 'earnestly ask" them for their prayers...

Your problem with that is just that, your problem. But continuing to bear false witness against us will not be profitable for you..

Pax et Bonum

 

[Ronald Nolette]

now that we have that out of the way... then whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own??? Remember you said "I believe as the bible writes that Father, son and Spirit are all divine or God. they are not the same people but all are equal in divinity."

Now the Doctrine of the trinity states that Jesus is not God based upon divinity.. "He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself."

So again, how is Jesus God?

That is correct and is taken from Timothy where it says that God took on human flesh and also phillipians where Jesus is said to have preexisted in the form or nature of God.

But your error isd that you think that the word god means only a specific deity. It does not. It means a deity but also means a nature.

The Father, Son and Spirit share one essence or nature- absolutel deity. I use that word so we can converse without mixup- God is synonymous with divinity but I use God to denote a persona nd divinity to denote nature.

The Father, son and Spirit are three separate unique "person".
The Father and Son and Spirit are all equally divine or God.
and the Father is not th eson, nor The spirit and vice versa.

To see the Son is to see the Father. To know the Spirit is to know the Father and son.

Jesus is not His Father (God) But is equal in divinity to His Father (both share "Godness"

 

[True Faith]

That is correct and is taken from Timothy where it says that God took on human flesh and also phillipians where Jesus is said to have preexisted in the form or nature of God.

But your error isd that you think that the word god means only a specific deity. It does not. It means a deity but also means a nature.

The Father, Son and Spirit share one essence or nature- absolutel deity. I use that word so we can converse without mixup- God is synonymous with divinity but I use God to denote a persona nd divinity to denote nature.

The Father, son and Spirit are three separate unique "person".
The Father and Son and Spirit are all equally divine or God.
and the Father is not th eson, nor The spirit and vice versa.

To see the Son is to see the Father. To know the Spirit is to know the Father and son.

Jesus is not His Father (God) But is equal in divinity to His Father (both share "Godness"

Equal in divinity, just as the Angels are divine beings... so was it the will of Jesus to do the will of his Father, who is God?

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo, how many times do i have to show the definition of 'pray'?

That you refuse to accept our usage of that word in any way but your own definition, then by your definition, we do not pray to the saints.. We 'earnestly ask" them for their prayers...

Your problem with that is just that, your problem. But continuing to bear false witness against us will not be profitable for you..

Pax et Bonum

I say this with a heavy heart , its not me who has been decieved .
You all even claim to sit under peter .
And yet peter in his own life told cornelious TO GET UP , NOT TO KNEEL before Him HE was but a man .
YET yalls peter o today has men come and kneel before it and kiss its ring . SOMETHING went bad wrong
within that church my friend . You all burn incense to statues and yet even a king had to destroy the ROD of moses
when the jews burned incense to it . PETER , MARY , NO saint , no angel would agree
with this rotted bill of goods that men who loved to have the pre emeinence sold you all .
MEN LOVE POWER , they love worship and pre emienence , You should never have bought into this .