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No….they play a role in preventing anarchy.You seemed to not understand my question.
You said... "The police and the soldiers are not much different from my perspective, both play a role that God has put in place, as I said, they serve a purpose, albeit imperfectly.
So if I understand you correctly, soldiers play a role in God's purpose.
Can I make this clearer? Defense of their borders is their problem, since they created them….carving up the dog and fighting over land that they were never given in the first place….and they mostly stole it from others, spilling much blood in the process. Israel’s territory OTOH was God given, and God defended…..man’s territory is stolen property and God leaves them to fight over it themselves because he knows at the final showdown that they will see the folly of trusting in man and his heinous weapons was futile.If this is the case - does that purpose extend to defence of borders?
I am not so sure.I am pretty sure Israelis look at the killing and starvation of Gazan women and children as an unfortunate and unavoidable byproduct of their effort to destroy Hamas, rather than using Hamas as an "excuse" to kill and starve Gazan women and children -- as though that were the primary goal, rather than the destruction of Hamas.
No one on earth comes from the same source today on matters of news or biblical concepts. If people argue (and a forum is a place to discuss ideas) that God agrees with the Gazan war, then they need to support the position.Truth has a place in a discussion but when both sides of the conversation come from the same source, then it is time to close the thread.
Unless you live in Israel yourself, all your news is coming to you the same way I got mine. Just pick and choose. Young Israelis are choosing imprisonment rather than fight in this war.So you have no hard evidence, just anecdotal evidence and now missing videos. sorry if I remain unconvinced.
Human rulership of any description, was NEVER in God’s purpose at the beginning
And others are firing their weapons on the front lines. (Reminds me of Vietnam.)Unless you live in Israel yourself, all your news is coming to you the same way I got mine. Just pick and choose. Young Israelis are choosing imprisonment rather than fight in this war.
No one on earth comes from the same source today on matters of news or biblical concepts. If people argue (and a forum is a place to discuss ideas) that God agrees with the Gazan war, then they need to support the position.
Then don't ever bother to fight a war. Just surrender at the first onslaught. The only think we are accomplishing in this Ukraine/Russia war is to drain the US resources and build up confidence in our enemies.So because there was a big war in the past, you think this justifies starving children to death and bombing their homes and schools and city. You think that somehow excuses a wanton slaughter of tens of thousands of women and children. Opinion noted. I would think that if any parallels to WW2 were to be drawn it would be the inhumane and monstrous treatment of prisoners.
Targeting children is your leftist complaint against any meaningful defense by Israel to defend herself.Nor by targeting children.
What terrorism? Hamas launched the terrorist invasion. Again, your stupid atheistic leftist complaint against Israel.So what? The US is a partner in crime with Israel in the terrorism in Israel.
That is was not hiding under Biden's skirt. That was blaming Biden for both the Russian invasion and and the Hamas invasion. If it were not for Biden's weakness demonstrated in his entire foreign policy stances, those invasions would not have happened in the first place.Now you try to excuse the mass murders by hiding under Biden's skirt. Pathetic
Amen to that. In fact the entire Biden administration would be laughable were it not for the fact that it is destroying this country.The Biden humanitarian aid plan is laughable.
First of all we have to define what “the next life” actually is. It is not what most in Christendom have been taught. The “next life” (for the majority of redeemed mankind) is the life we should have been able to enjoy in the beginning. God did not create this earth to be a training ground for heaven. We were meant to enjoy endless life in paradise on earth, with no sickness, infirmity, old age or death, ever being part of it.Then why did God explicitly raise up human leaders?
He will also have humans rule in the next life.
So the need for a kingdom lasting 1000 years, (with a proven King who was also a High Priest over a chosen priesthood) was established in order to deliver a sinless human race back to the Father (our rightful Sovereign) so as to restore to the human race, what was taken from them through no fault on their part.Luke 22:28 “You are those who have stood by Me in My trials; 29 and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you 30 that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Where did you ever bet that idea. Do you really believe that God got broadsided by Satan? Why do you think the Garden was a few square miles somewhere in the region that is now the middle east rather than the entire earth?God did not create this earth to be a training ground for heaven. We were meant to enjoy endless life in paradise on earth, with no sickness, infirmity, old age or death, ever being part of it.
That did not mean bless the land while He sent them away in captivity. Or bless the human sacrifices some may have engaged in with the Canaanites, or bless their night trial of Jesus, or bless that tables He overturned etc etc. Nor does it mean to bless the terrorism of a secular nation today that kills the children He loves. Nor does it mean to bless the nation Israel today. I heard John MacArthur address that on a video yesterday, and he phrased it something like, we are to pray for the people of Israel, not the nation. So you would not get to misconstrue people hating the sins and terror of Israel today and trying to insinuate we must bless them! The opposite is true. We should pray for their victims. Also for their repentance and salvation. NOT for their acts of wickedness.Oh Dad, you did not understand my reference to the same "source" supplying the arguments for both sides of the conversation.
God told Abraham that God would bless those who blessed Israel and curse those who cursed Israel.
Say what? The little horn is the AntiChrist. Hamas has no response to a man that is not even here yet.Hamas is responding to the influence of the Little Horn
Pipe dreamand the Israelites are acting under the influence of the third beast in their own strength.
Except neither are here yet so you are dreaming. (if here he is not yet revealed)Both the Little horn and the Third Beast are acting under the authority of Satan.
Confused nonsense.This is were the same source for the thread is coming from.
It is one thing to fight criminals and terrorists, but another to mass murder women and children and starve them. You should know the difference.Then don't ever bother to fight a war. Just surrender at the first onslaught.
I don't know much about that. Apparently it seems to many people that that foreign war is a waste of money and life.The only think we are accomplishing in this Ukraine/Russia war is to drain the US resources and build up confidence in our enemies.
No, it is what they do by blowing up apartments, schools, convoys, etc etc etc. If they not realize blowing up cities of apartments was killing women and children, then they should hire a kindergarten child to advise them. The problem is they are not dumb and it was never accidental.Targeting children is your leftist complaint against any meaningful defense by Israel to defend herself.
The starving and relocating and attacking a population. Why feign ignorance?What terrorism? Hamas launched the terrorist invasion. Again, your stupid atheistic leftist complaint against Israel.
The guy can barely order his ice cream or read his lines much of the time. Not sure how you think Biden got Hamas to do terrorism in Israel?That is was not hiding under Biden's skirt. That was blaming Biden for both the Russian invasion and and the Hamas invasion.
So because the guy is a wicked and inept front man of a leader, you think the blame lays on Him for what Russia and Ukraine and Hamas does. OK.If it were not for Biden's weakness demonstrated in his entire foreign policy stances, those invasions would not have happened in the first place.
Who is the real puppet master behind all the puppets?…..the same entity is pulling all the strings…..how blind are those who disobey the Christ and immerse themselves in the filth of this world’s politics…..what politician is not a bold faced liar…..promising everything and delivering nothing good. What form of human rulership has ever worked for the good of the people? We are witnessing the death of yet another form of human rulership….democracy. Totalitarianism is to follow….and nothing will stop it….it is prophesied and it will take place. Prepare for what their “one world government” will demand.Amen to that. In fact the entire Biden administration would be laughable were it not for the fact that it is destroying this country.
That did not mean bless the land while He sent them away in captivity. Or bless the human sacrifices some may have engaged in with the Canaanites, or bless their night trial of Jesus, or bless that tables He overturned etc etc. Nor does it mean to bless the terrorism of a secular nation today that kills the children He loves. Nor does it mean to bless the nation Israel today. I heard John MacArthur address that on a video yesterday, and he phrased it something like, we are to pray for the people of Israel, not the nation. So you would not get to misconstrue people hating the sins and terror of Israel today and trying to insinuate we must bless them! The opposite is true. We should pray for their victims. Also for their repentance and salvation. NOT for their acts of wickedness.
Say what? The little horn is the AntiChrist. Hamas has no response to a man that is not even here yet.
Pipe dream
Except neither are here yet so you are dreaming. (if here he is not yet revealed)
Confused nonsense.
How could anyone think that? God was actually faced with a decision that would affect our future regardless of what action he took. In his wisdom, he chose to allow satan to have his moment in time…because in Universal time, that is all he got.Where did you ever bet that idea. Do you really believe that God got broadsided by Satan?
Why? Because God set them a task that he stated at the outset. He told them to “fill the earth” with their children and to “subdue it”….that meant to expand the borders of their paradise home until the whole earth resembled the garden of Eden. That was God’s original purpose for this earth…..no mention was ever made about immortal souls flitting off to other destinations….we were already placed in our permanent destination.Why do you think the Garden was a few square miles somewhere in the region that is now the middle east rather than the entire earth?
I agree…. But we have to take into consideration why we are here on this tiny insignificant ball, in a far flung corner of one of billions of galaxies. This is I believe, the starting point of a much bigger project. If all the “bugs” are not ironed out here first, then going any further would be pointless. It’s a vast Universe and God had a “beginning” of his creative works…..it is obvious to me, taking his grand perspective, that his plans for the future may be much grander than any human can contemplate.I believe that God created this universe with the plan of obtaining a body of believers who would choose to love Him. That meant establishing a system where there exists some measure of freedom to choose God as Lord without absolute proof that He is Lord of all. That is the world He created, that is the world that is.
It is one thing to fight criminals and terrorists, but another to mass murder women and children and starve them. You should know the difference.
Yep ! and why would anyone support such as Hamas at all ! regardless i do not care ! they brought down the thunder, now get ready for the boom !Netanyahu:
"Are your memories that short? Have you so quickly forgotten October 7, the most horrific massacre of Jews since the Holocaust? Are you so quick to deny Israel the right to defend itself against the Hamas monsters?."