Sit back and watch God fight for Israel, again. Israel ain't going nowhere! They are home to stay.
Israeli attack on civilians should be condemned by all believers
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Aunty Jane
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No….they play a role in preventing anarchy.
Human rulership of any description, was NEVER in God’s purpose at the beginning….it resulted from the devil wanting to take over the human race for his own selfish purpose, and gaining their worship for himself. God could have vaporized the three rebels right at the beginning, but his Sovereignty had been challenged, not his power.
God’s purpose has nothing to do with what the world defends because they are defending their own sovereignties. They are not defending God’s sovereignty which is what ancient Israel did every time their enemies attacked them.
God sanctioned war in their era because his own sovereign rights in connection with his people, was challenged. Every time Israel acted independently of their God by allying themselves with other nations, he abandoned them to their enemies. Modern day Israel is not a religious nation, but a political one. God abandoned them when as the last straw, they orchestrated the murder of their own savior, sealing their fate. They cursed themselves with his blood. (Matt 27:25)
Do you understand that the world is not under God’s rulership and hasn’t been since the rebellion in Eden. (1 John 5:19) Why do we imagine that man’s history has been plagued with so much violence, war and fighting over land? That is like fleas fighting over which part of the dog they own……when the truth is, none of the dog was their to claim as their own in the first place….
If the devil was the “god” they chose, (2 Cor 4:3-4) becoming his slaves because they obeyed an enemy of God, (Rom 6:16) he would allow them to see first hand where the devil’s rulership would take the human race….and here we are, on the brink of the greatest tribulation this world has ever seen.
Is the world ready for this? I don't even think Christendom is prepared for what is coming.
Can I make this clearer? Defense of their borders is their problem, since they created them….carving up the dog and fighting over land that they were never given in the first place….and they mostly stole it from others, spilling much blood in the process. Israel’s territory OTOH was God given, and God defended…..man’s territory is stolen property and God leaves them to fight over it themselves because he knows at the final showdown that they will see the folly of trusting in man and his heinous weapons was futile.
“No part of the world” and its governance is Christian neutrality…..it is not our business.
No one on earth comes from the same source today on matters of news or biblical concepts. If people argue (and a forum is a place to discuss ideas) that God agrees with the Gazan war, then they need to support the position.
Unless you live in Israel yourself, all your news is coming to you the same way I got mine. Just pick and choose. Young Israelis are choosing imprisonment rather than fight in this war.
Carl Emerson
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Then why did God explicitly raise up human leaders?
He will also have humans rule in the next life.
Luke 22:28 “You are those who have stood by Me in My trials; 29 and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you 30 that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Oh Dad, you did not understand my reference to the same "source" supplying the arguments for both sides of the conversation.
God told Abraham that God would bless those who blessed Israel and curse those who cursed Israel.
Hamas is responding to the influence of the Little Horn and the Israelites are acting under the influence of the third beast in their own strength.
Both the Little horn and the Third Beast are acting under the authority of Satan. This is were the same source for the thread is coming from.
Then don't ever bother to fight a war. Just surrender at the first onslaught. The only think we are accomplishing in this Ukraine/Russia war is to drain the US resources and build up confidence in our enemies.
Targeting children is your leftist complaint against any meaningful defense by Israel to defend herself.
What terrorism? Hamas launched the terrorist invasion. Again, your stupid atheistic leftist complaint against Israel.
That is was not hiding under Biden's skirt. That was blaming Biden for both the Russian invasion and and the Hamas invasion. If it were not for Biden's weakness demonstrated in his entire foreign policy stances, those invasions would not have happened in the first place.
Amen to that. In fact the entire Biden administration would be laughable were it not for the fact that it is destroying this country.
Aunty Jane
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First of all we have to define what “the next life” actually is. It is not what most in Christendom have been taught. The “next life” (for the majority of redeemed mankind) is the life we should have been able to enjoy in the beginning. God did not create this earth to be a training ground for heaven. We were meant to enjoy endless life in paradise on earth, with no sickness, infirmity, old age or death, ever being part of it.
In the beginning there was no need for a savior or for a kingdom to “come”. It was the fall of mankind into sin that led to Christ having to bail us out of the sentence we suffered along with our first parents.
Have you never contemplated what life would have been like for the human race if God’s first purposed had gone ahead unhindered?
There is a much bigger picture if you go back to the beginning and start from there. Forget the mindless scenario that “the church system” has promoted, and just let the scriptures tell the story……it is one story from Genesis to Revelation….what we lost in the beginning is returned to us at the end…..what God did in the middle is how he brought about the vindication of his Sovereignty, in spite of the devil‘s continued interference. The rulership of the world was delivered to this enemy to entrap him in the folly of his own selfish wickedness. (Luke 4:6) It would also show the humans that man’s rule always fails.
So the need for a kingdom lasting 1000 years, (with a proven King who was also a High Priest over a chosen priesthood) was established in order to deliver a sinless human race back to the Father (our rightful Sovereign) so as to restore to the human race, what was taken from them through no fault on their part.
1 Cor 15:20-28…
“But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death. 21 For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.”
There it is…in a nutshell.…the whole purpose of the kingdom….to deliver everything back to God…perfect, as it was in the beginning.
Why would God choose humans to rule redeemed mankind on earth? Because only humans know what pain the “wages of sin” has paid them. Every one of those chosen ”kings and priests” knows what it means to be human and like Jesus, they will be patient and compassionate with still imperfect humans as he undoes 6000 years of sin.
When he hands all that he has accomplished back into his Father’s capable hands, then human rulership will cease and all will return to the way it was meant to be in the beginning. It’s all very logical, but more importantly, scriptural. Precedents are set so that this situation can never happen again. The end justified the means.
Where did you ever bet that idea. Do you really believe that God got broadsided by Satan? Why do you think the Garden was a few square miles somewhere in the region that is now the middle east rather than the entire earth?
I believe that God created this universe with the plan of obtaining a body of believers who would choose to love Him. That meant establishing a system where there exists some measure of freedom to choose God as Lord without absolute proof that He is Lord of all. That is the world He created, that is the world that is.
That did not mean bless the land while He sent them away in captivity. Or bless the human sacrifices some may have engaged in with the Canaanites, or bless their night trial of Jesus, or bless that tables He overturned etc etc. Nor does it mean to bless the terrorism of a secular nation today that kills the children He loves. Nor does it mean to bless the nation Israel today. I heard John MacArthur address that on a video yesterday, and he phrased it something like, we are to pray for the people of Israel, not the nation. So you would not get to misconstrue people hating the sins and terror of Israel today and trying to insinuate we must bless them! The opposite is true. We should pray for their victims. Also for their repentance and salvation. NOT for their acts of wickedness.
Say what? The little horn is the AntiChrist. Hamas has no response to a man that is not even here yet.
Pipe dream
Except neither are here yet so you are dreaming. (if here he is not yet revealed)
Confused nonsense.
It is one thing to fight criminals and terrorists, but another to mass murder women and children and starve them. You should know the difference.
I don't know much about that. Apparently it seems to many people that that foreign war is a waste of money and life.
No, it is what they do by blowing up apartments, schools, convoys, etc etc etc. If they not realize blowing up cities of apartments was killing women and children, then they should hire a kindergarten child to advise them. The problem is they are not dumb and it was never accidental.
The starving and relocating and attacking a population. Why feign ignorance?
The guy can barely order his ice cream or read his lines much of the time. Not sure how you think Biden got Hamas to do terrorism in Israel?
So because the guy is a wicked and inept front man of a leader, you think the blame lays on Him for what Russia and Ukraine and Hamas does. OK.
Aunty Jane
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Who is the real puppet master behind all the puppets?…..the same entity is pulling all the strings…..how blind are those who disobey the Christ and immerse themselves in the filth of this world’s politics…..what politician is not a bold faced liar…..promising everything and delivering nothing good. What form of human rulership has ever worked for the good of the people? We are witnessing the death of yet another form of human rulership….democracy. Totalitarianism is to follow….and nothing will stop it….it is prophesied and it will take place. Prepare for what their “one world government” will demand.
The world at present is ruled by an elite class who are all under the influence of satan…..this is his world to do what he wants with it. (Luke 4:6) To not see beyond what appears on the surface is to show yourselves as supporters of the devils rulership…..why are we told to be “no part of this world”? Because not a single thing in it is based on godliness….only on greed, immorality and wickedness that we are seeing every day and many still wonder why it is happening?
The Bible tells us exactly why it is happening and what the outcome will be…..we cannot be caught supporting the devil’s rulership in any way, no matter how well it is disguised. “The angel of light” is not always obvious, but his MO is unmistakable.
Dad, I provided my rational as to why I stated that that both sides of the conflict in Gaza are acting under the influence of the wicked Heavenly host Beasts and that the wicked heavenly beasts are acting in Satan's interest.
Dad, you are showing your ignorance on the Daniel 7:1-12 beasts. All these Bests, including the Little Horn, are heavenly entities who have rebelled against God. I agree with you that the False prophet, who is one and the same as the Little Horn is associated with the Antichrist in our distant future after he is released from the Bottomless pit.
The third beast in Daniel 7:1-12 as described in verse 6, has influence over Israel at this present time and Israel is exercising it dominion and dominance over the nations surrounding them in their own strength.
I again refer you to Daniel 7:1-12. It is my understanding that the third beast as described in Daniel 7:6 and the Little Horn, as described in Daniel 7:8. Seems like your understanding is flawed and does not match the actual context of the scriptures.
So, you brush off the wisdom that I have presented as being "Confused nonsense.", when the reality is that your own understanding of these present times does not match what God had written in the scriptures by His Prophets and only can be described as confused nonsense.
Goodbye.
Aunty Jane
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How could anyone think that? God was actually faced with a decision that would affect our future regardless of what action he took. In his wisdom, he chose to allow satan to have his moment in time…because in Universal time, that is all he got.
God could have eliminated the rebels and started again, but because Satan did not challenge God’s power, but challenged his sovereign right to set the limits on human freedom, Jehovah chose to allow things to progress once the rebellion had started. He would test all of his children, both in heaven and on earth, as to their love, and loyalty to him as Universal Sovereign. The first rebel was not human so the angels being more powerful could wreak more havoc than mere mortals ever knew how to. This test is more about them than it is about us…we are the hostages….much loved none the less.
Why? Because God set them a task that he stated at the outset. He told them to “fill the earth” with their children and to “subdue it”….that meant to expand the borders of their paradise home until the whole earth resembled the garden of Eden. That was God’s original purpose for this earth…..no mention was ever made about immortal souls flitting off to other destinations….we were already placed in our permanent destination.
I agree…. But we have to take into consideration why we are here on this tiny insignificant ball, in a far flung corner of one of billions of galaxies. This is I believe, the starting point of a much bigger project. If all the “bugs” are not ironed out here first, then going any further would be pointless. It’s a vast Universe and God had a “beginning” of his creative works…..it is obvious to me, taking his grand perspective, that his plans for the future may be much grander than any human can contemplate.
Netanyahu:
"Are your memories that short? Have you so quickly forgotten October 7, the most horrific massacre of Jews since the Holocaust? Are you so quick to deny Israel the right to defend itself against the Hamas monsters?."
If Israel was not attacked ? their would not be Not be a problem !
Israel was attacked ! and it was Joe Biden and his Socialist Anti-Christ workings who wanted this War in fact ! It was they who left the weapons for the attack in fact ! and Biden gave the most Criminal nation on earth Ukraine weapons that went to attack Israel in fact !
Joe Biden and Co are the problem, created this War on Israel and created the stupid War in Ukraine as well in fact !
The War in Ukraine would never got off the ground, if they people in that part of Ukraine did have the right to Vote in fact !
Joe Biden does not respect the rights of people to have the right to vote, no Socialist does in fact !
Socialist love to dominate over everyone in fact ! and they play every dirty trick in the book and they dominate over the Media in fact !
It's the idiot Socialist within Israel who are a problem regarding why they coped this attack in fact ! no one could be so stupid not to understand that this would take place in fact ! I knew it would as soon as Joe Biden left all the weapons behind for this attack on the Jews, it's clear !
Joe Biden is gunning to get rid of the PM of Israel in fact and this Party, because it is not a Socialist Party ! and that moron Zelensky is against the PM of Israel as well ! That little Nazi supporting mongrel Zelensky ! has no regard for the people of Ukraine at all, he is just a puppet on a string for the NWO so as to dominate over everyone ! They are Queer as Hell dictating spastics that will stop at nothing to get it all their own way ! for they are of the same cloth as the Nazis were and the Communist outright Anti-Christ in fact !
Such low life trash has turned the World upside down, who would of thought that we all would be totally dominated over by Anti-Christ who demand to dictate what you can say or not say in fact and with malice destroy anyone who stands up to such Anti-Christ in fact ?
The Churches have fell into their filthy demands and preach all the same Socialist vomit nowadays.
Israel was attacked ! and it was Joe Biden and his Socialist Anti-Christ workings who wanted this War in fact ! It was they who left the weapons for the attack in fact ! and Biden gave the most Criminal nation on earth Ukraine weapons that went to attack Israel in fact !
Joe Biden and Co are the problem, created this War on Israel and created the stupid War in Ukraine as well in fact !
The War in Ukraine would never got off the ground, if they people in that part of Ukraine did have the right to Vote in fact !
Joe Biden does not respect the rights of people to have the right to vote, no Socialist does in fact !
Socialist love to dominate over everyone in fact ! and they play every dirty trick in the book and they dominate over the Media in fact !
It's the idiot Socialist within Israel who are a problem regarding why they coped this attack in fact ! no one could be so stupid not to understand that this would take place in fact ! I knew it would as soon as Joe Biden left all the weapons behind for this attack on the Jews, it's clear !
Joe Biden is gunning to get rid of the PM of Israel in fact and this Party, because it is not a Socialist Party ! and that moron Zelensky is against the PM of Israel as well ! That little Nazi supporting mongrel Zelensky ! has no regard for the people of Ukraine at all, he is just a puppet on a string for the NWO so as to dominate over everyone ! They are Queer as Hell dictating spastics that will stop at nothing to get it all their own way ! for they are of the same cloth as the Nazis were and the Communist outright Anti-Christ in fact !
Such low life trash has turned the World upside down, who would of thought that we all would be totally dominated over by Anti-Christ who demand to dictate what you can say or not say in fact and with malice destroy anyone who stands up to such Anti-Christ in fact ?
The Churches have fell into their filthy demands and preach all the same Socialist vomit nowadays.
Yep ! and why would anyone support such as Hamas at all ! regardless i do not care ! they brought down the thunder, now get ready for the boom !
No to hell with them ! let it be a warning to anyone who attacks Israel like that !
Let alone anyone who does such a low down outright mongrel dog attack like that.
Anyone who supports Hamas and such is supporting Terrorist in fact !
Say No ! to Terrorist ! do not feed them, for such idiots will only think that this gives them the right to lead more attacks, not only of Israel down the track but also on any Nation in fact ! Send such as them the message clearly Hell No ! to such gutless Terrorist attacks.
The Bible warns us of such attacks will become more and more so ! Such deranged in sanity will come to everyone in the West and i can see the roots of such of it taking place full on in the USA and Australia. The Ground work has been set within and it's the Socialist that have welcomed all such in fact !
The Islamic trash in Australia were chanting, Gas the Jews here in fact ! I would send them back home directly for saying such to the Jews ! I have Zero tolerance for that ! but our Media once again lied ! so as to prop up such trash within Australia in fact ! how Satanic can one Get !
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