well, and you can't institute a grace-filled church either lol. i've seen it more than once. you can try, and you will get waves of grace, but waves of legalism too, new members attracted by the grace will morph the congregation with their...influence, just by being there, some new guy comes in, heavy tither, and wants something done diff, etc, all manner of things. Not saying there can't be graceful ppl there, but the image we have in our minds of a body working together in harmony makes a useful contrast to what we actually usually see practised, right. In a church imo the whole point is to set up dualities so ppl can learn from them. Seems terrible, serves God's will, see. imo.