Jack Van Impe Challenging Pope Francis to Debate!!

[tzcho2]

Funny how no comment is concerned about the fact that the Pope opposes the Gospel of Christ and Francis is preaching another gospel--a False one that leads people to hell.

 

[Phoneman777]

The Pope never said there was no Hell.
The Pope never said that atheists WILL go t Heaven, etc.

I am openly challenging YOU to produce the quotes . . .

Francis was asked about whether God's mercy is extended to non-believers and his reply was that:

“The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience. Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience"... ​

...which means if the atheist obeys his conscience, he is covered by God's mercy in the day of Judgment.
Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

Now, before you appeal to "those who have not the law but do the law" as "proof" for Jorge's statement, know that since it is only possible to do the law if one has help from above (Romans 8:7), therefore this class cannot be considered "unbelievers" - "unbelievers" are those who are either actively rebelling against the truth now, or have rebelled to the point where truth is now beyond their reach.

 

[Episkopos]

www."weholduponthisEarththeplaceofGodAlmighty".com

LOL !!! the old email [email protected] ....was out of service.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Bottom line = Do you believe the Truth of God's Word or do you reject it or do you have no idea what God Word says??

 

[Enoch111]

Funny how no comment is concerned about the fact that the Pope opposes the Gospel of Christ and Francis is preaching another gospel--a False one that leads people to hell.

This bogus pope does not really know what he talks about. Here is what he said about atheists (and everyone else) according to a Catholic source which agreed with him:
'Pope Francis really did say: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! . . . . Even the atheists. Everyone!"'
What Did Pope Francis REALLY Say About Atheists? - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online

This source went on to say that redemption is NOT the same as justification or salvation. But it is, which means that Catholics do not know the difference between the finished work of Christ for our redemption and tha application of that finished work to sinners. No one can be redeemed (justified, saved) until and unless they repent and are converted.

Since Pope Francis failed to make this clear, he does not even know the fundamentals of the Gospel. He is promoting Universalism whether he knows it or not.

 

[tzcho2]

This bogus pope does not really know what he talks about. Here is what he said about atheists (and everyone else) according to a Catholic source which agreed with him:
'Pope Francis really did say: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! . . . . Even the atheists. Everyone!"'
What Did Pope Francis REALLY Say About Atheists? - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online

This source went on to say that redemption is NOT the same as justification or salvation. But it is, which means that Catholics do not know the difference between the finished work of Christ for our redemption and tha application of that finished work to sinners. No one can be redeemed (justified, saved) until and unless they repent and are converted.

Since Pope Francis failed to make this clear, he does not even know the fundamentals of the Gospel. He is promoting Universalism whether he knows it or not.

I agree Enoch111, it is very bad thing that he is proclaiming this false gospel. All of Christendom should have been very concerned and challenged this.

 

[Earburner]

OK that's it...I'm challenging Pope Francis to a debate too!

Does anybody have his email address?:cool:

This is not going to go well for the SDAs. They are hoping for a "National Sunday Law" to be the MoB (somehow they forgot that the MoB will be GLOBAL).
Anyways, if the Pope is truly rambling on about such nonsense, then know that there is an ulterior motive.
It's call survival, and it appears that he is seeing that the world is headed off into "that spirit of antichrist", full blown. Therefore, with all the RCC church buildings and property in the world, THERE IS much to lose, at least in his eyes.
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In all fairness to the Pope, we really should pay attention to how he is "treading water".
What makes your church so different?
Isn't it already "on the skids", ready to split over the LBGT agenda?
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What did you think? That the spirit of antichrist is only in one man? Ha, ha, LOL.
It could be that is exactly what the situation is! He is about ready to deny the Father and the Son, which is the heart of ALL, who are of that spirit of antichrist!

 

[Helen]

This is not going to go well for the SDAs. They are hoping for a "National Sunday Law" to be the MoB (somehow they forgot that the MoB will be GLOBAL).
Anyways, if the Pope is truly rambling on about such nonsense, then know that there is an ulterior motive.
It's call survival, and it appears that he is seeing that the world is headed off into "that spirit of antichrist", full blown. Therefore, with all the RCC church buildings and property in the world, THERE IS much to lose, at least in his eyes.
.
In all fairness to the Pope, we really should pay attention to how he is "treading water".
What makes your church so different?
Isn't it already "on the skids", ready to split over the LBGT agenda?
.
What did you think? That the spirit of antichrist is only in one man? Ha, ha, LOL.
It could be that is exactly what the situation is! He is about ready to deny the Father and the Son, which is the heart of ALL, who are of that spirit of antichrist!

Interesting...and 'food for thought'.

 

[JohnPaul]

Anyone else think Pope Benedict stepped down because the powers that be in the Catholic Church, were going to make him and the entire church accept homosexuality?

 

[Helen]

Anyone else think Pope Benedict stepped down because the powers that be in the Catholic Church, were going to make him and the entire church accept homosexuality?

I never thought of that!

 

[JohnPaul]

I never thought of that! View attachment 6590

I’ve always thought this, the Catholic Church is losing a lot of money not adhering to the new world coolness of accepting homosexuality and the filthy LGTB deviants.

 

[Phoneman777]

LOL !!! the old email [email protected] ....was out of service.

 

[Phoneman777]

This is not going to go well for the SDAs. They are hoping for a "National Sunday Law" to be the MoB (somehow they forgot that the MoB will be GLOBAL).
Anyways, if the Pope is truly rambling on about such nonsense, then know that there is an ulterior motive.
It's call survival, and it appears that he is seeing that the world is headed off into "that spirit of antichrist", full blown. Therefore, with all the RCC church buildings and property in the world, THERE IS much to lose, at least in his eyes.
.
In all fairness to the Pope, we really should pay attention to how he is "treading water".
What makes your church so different?
Isn't it already "on the skids", ready to split over the LBGT agenda?
.
What did you think? That the spirit of antichrist is only in one man? Ha, ha, LOL.
It could be that is exactly what the situation is! He is about ready to deny the Father and the Son, which is the heart of ALL, who are of that spirit of antichrist!

Actually, SDAs believe the United States is the Second Beast which will force the entire world to accept the Mark of the First Beast, the papacy, which mark is Sunday Sacredness. Let's keep the facts straight, even if we disagree, OK?

 

[Phoneman777]

I’ve always thought this, the Catholic Church is losing a lot of money not adhering to the new world coolness of accepting homosexuality and the filthy LGTB deviants.

God didn't run no sewer line through the Garden of Eden, right?

 

[JohnPaul]

God didn't run no sewer line through the Garden of Eden, right?

I’m sorry I don’t understand, what do you mean? Please explain.

 

[Helen]

I’m sorry I don’t understand what do you mean? Please explain.

When you get to know him better , you understand his humour.
He's saying God did not have GLTB in Eden.

Just interpreting for you...he's one of the good guys :)

 

[JohnPaul]

When you get to know him better , you understand his humour.
He's saying God did not have GLTB in Eden.

Just interpreting for you...he's one of the good guys :)

Thank you ByGrace, no he most certainly did not, they are confusing young children with this garbage.

 

[Earburner]

Actually, SDAs believe the United States is the Second Beast which will force the entire world to accept the Mark of the First Beast, the papacy, which mark is Sunday Sacredness. Let's keep the facts straight, even if we disagree, OK?

Ok, so I skipped a few of their irrelevant, error ridden interpretation of "Beasts", which are masculine and never feminine, in my getting to the point, which is Mandatory Sunday Worship.
Hence, by their false understanding of it, they think that there will be persecution against those who keep Saturday as the Sabbath only.
The SDAs are looking for MSW as being the MoB.

However, since you delved into their religious quagmire, yes- the US is that 2H Beast, and it's operations fit the bill according to how Beasts operate by military might, as shown clearly in
Rev. 13[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men- [fire equals Weapons of Mass Destruction. Case in point: "Shock and Awe" in Iraq.]

> Unfortunately, the SDA are not anywhere near close, in their interpretation of verses 12 and 14, therefore understanding of verse 13 by them, is 100% fabrication!
Why? Their RELIGION is in the way!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Francis was asked about whether God's mercy is extended to non-believers and his reply was that:

“The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience. Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience"... ​

...which means if the atheist obeys his conscience, he is covered by God's mercy in the day of Judgment.
Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

Now, before you appeal to "those who have not the law but do the law" as "proof" for Jorge's statement, know that since it is only possible to do the law if one has help from above (Romans 8:7), therefore this class cannot be considered "unbelievers" - "unbelievers" are those who are either actively rebelling against the truth now, or have rebelled to the point where truth is now beyond their reach.

Nonsense.
You are adding to what he allegedly said.

Read your dishonest and misleading link: "Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven"
He never said this. Yet, in all of your anti-Catholic dishonesty - that's what you are trying to convey.
His quote complies with Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church there is No Salvation, which states CLEARLY:

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too MAY achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

In other words - it's about invincible ignorance. It's the age-old question about those who were never exposed to the truth and what happens to them. We leave them to the mercy of God. Remember what Christ HIMSELF taught:

John 9:41
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.

John 15:22
"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

 

[Phoneman777]

Ok, so I skipped a few of their irrelevant, error ridden interpretation of "Beasts", which are masculine and never feminine, in my getting to the point, which is Mandatory Sunday Worship.
Hence, by their false understanding of it, they think that there will be persecution against those who keep Saturday as the Sabbath only.
The SDAs are looking for MSW as being the MoB.

However, since you delved into their religious quagmire, yes- the US is that 2H Beast, and it's operations fit the bill according to how Beasts operate by military might, as shown clearly in
Rev. 13[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men- [fire equals Weapons of Mass Destruction. Case in point: "Shock and Awe" in Iraq.]

> Unfortunately, the SDA are not anywhere near close, in their interpretation of verses 12 and 14, therefore understanding of verse 13 by them, is 100% fabrication!
Why? Their RELIGION is in the way!!

"Fire coming down" has got nothing to do with WMDs or anything else in your sensationalist interpretation. It's a symbol for "approval of God" - remember Mount Carmel? Lotsa "fire coming down" nowadays but from the devil, convincing people to ignore the Scriptures and follow lies, right? Benny Hinn, Reinhardt Bonnke, and all the other stuff which originated with the "Toronto Blessing", right?

Your "masculine/feminine" beast criteria is extra-Biblical nonsense. The prophetic timeline is clear and points to the papacy as the Antichrist, the Beast, the Little Horn, the Whore riding the Beast, which is the church controlling the State - textbook example of what is and has always been the papacy.