How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?
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So listen to him. He already said he knows it all, and I'm quite confident that there's nothing I have to offer either of you. And here's your verse to prove it:Floyd said:
1 Cor 12:15-26
... I have no need of thee ...
Goodluck,
DD
DD: as said in an earlier post; our mind and ATTITUDES do not mix; and I have to question your true motives?
Floyd.
Floyd.
You twisted my point. Go back and read Post #532 where this is already acknowledged from YOUR and "Retrobyter's" perspective.Floyd said:
So did you have something to share, -- including how you are going to explain the INTELLIGENT DESIGN behind GOD's 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE sequence? I'm still waiting after multiple invitations.
DD
Floyd said:
EXACTLY.
To All,
Who is it that discounts others' work, but fails to provide his own? Is Scripture so daunting that mere mortals cannot receive the TRUTH of GOD's plan for humanity?
1 Thess 5:4
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Jeremiah 33:3
3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
With Best Regards,
DD
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Everybody fancies themselves a prophet.Mrdean10 said:
Funny thing is that if you study the lives of the prophets you'll find little there that is attractive. Prophets were lonely people. For the most part they preached themes and messages that were unpopular with the society in which they lived. Only when events played out according to their predictions were they vindicated. Even then, many did not survive to see the fulfillment of their words. To be a prophet speaking the truth of God is to be a person vilified even by those who also believe in God. Prophets do not win friends and influence people since they seek to do the will of God, not man.
In a dying empire, truth is the first treasure to be lost. When the darkness of debauchery, corruption and self-importance rule the land the words of a prophet are the last shining light of truth in the twilight of grace. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness understands it not. Such a messenger often stands alone and suffers for his words. In the darkness of rebellion and sin, men curse that which God has intended for blessing and guidance - the prophet.
IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERCA, HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
Who does GOD speak to in Scripture? Angels?[email protected] said:
If it's not men, then what good are GOD's words? And if men do not heed GOD, then what good are men?
Heed GOD.
With Best Regards,
DD
I am a old school, Holy Spirit filled man. I believe that the doctrine of redemption teaches a doctrine which is not understood in our day. A person is saved by faith in Jesus Christ and is guaranteed salvation. It is a free gift. Our faith also receives forgiveness for our sins.
It is all the finished work on the cross. Now here's the problem. Jesus said in Lk. 21:34-26 my words-- to live in sin can cause you to not have on a wedding garment--(righteousness) or oil in your lamps (virgins). a virgin is betrothed to be wed. she waits for the wedding day (rapture) to the (canopy chupah} heavens.
We as Christians have responsibility to seek out our salvation with fear and trembling. The tribulation of 7 years is called by the Jews the cleansing. it is a fast prep for those who are not ready. Rev. 12: shows left behinders will go into the wilderness to prepare. The tribulation is a sort of punishment, yet for the world a judgement resulting in death. How can anyone see a true Christian with Jesus living in them righteously under the wrath of God?
At this time Israel is ready through deception to receive anti Christ. She must get Yom Kippor. Only Jesus blood provides that. He is the once and for all Lamb. Rev. 1:7 They will.
It is all the finished work on the cross. Now here's the problem. Jesus said in Lk. 21:34-26 my words-- to live in sin can cause you to not have on a wedding garment--(righteousness) or oil in your lamps (virgins). a virgin is betrothed to be wed. she waits for the wedding day (rapture) to the (canopy chupah} heavens.
We as Christians have responsibility to seek out our salvation with fear and trembling. The tribulation of 7 years is called by the Jews the cleansing. it is a fast prep for those who are not ready. Rev. 12: shows left behinders will go into the wilderness to prepare. The tribulation is a sort of punishment, yet for the world a judgement resulting in death. How can anyone see a true Christian with Jesus living in them righteously under the wrath of God?
At this time Israel is ready through deception to receive anti Christ. She must get Yom Kippor. Only Jesus blood provides that. He is the once and for all Lamb. Rev. 1:7 They will.
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Haley's Comet and Christ's Return
I believe that Christ came in with Haley's comet around 12 BC, which was the star that the wise men saw. I believe that Christ will come the second time around 2061 AD, which is very close to Isaac Newton's 2060 AD prediction.
“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.
“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –Isaac Newton
But... This is Christ's return and not the rapture of the saints. This is when we return with him on earth to reign a 1,000 years. If I had to pick a rapture date it would be seven years before Haley's comet next return, which would be July 28, 2054 (exactly 7 years before Haley's comet official return). And then, I must reassert Newton's statement... “It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast."
And there again... I believe in the doctrine of expectancy, which states it is a good idea to be ready for Christ to come (rapture, calling up, whatever) at any day and at any hour.
I believe that Christ came in with Haley's comet around 12 BC, which was the star that the wise men saw. I believe that Christ will come the second time around 2061 AD, which is very close to Isaac Newton's 2060 AD prediction.
“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.
“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –Isaac Newton
But... This is Christ's return and not the rapture of the saints. This is when we return with him on earth to reign a 1,000 years. If I had to pick a rapture date it would be seven years before Haley's comet next return, which would be July 28, 2054 (exactly 7 years before Haley's comet official return). And then, I must reassert Newton's statement... “It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast."
And there again... I believe in the doctrine of expectancy, which states it is a good idea to be ready for Christ to come (rapture, calling up, whatever) at any day and at any hour.
Now here's the problem. Jesus said in Lk. 21:34-26 my words-- to live in sin can cause you to not have on a wedding garment--(righteousness) or oil in your lamps (virgins). a virgin is betrothed to be wed. she waits for the wedding day (rapture) to the (canopy chupah} heavens.
(brodav9): with respect Jesus was here addressing the Jews, "I come only to the lost sheep of Israel"; not for a Christian to worry about.
Regarding the "Tribulation"; in my firm opinion, it is 3.5 years in duration, not 7; see: www.revelationsmessage.co.uk
The ref. in Rev.12, is to those exhorted to flee by Jesus in Matt.24: see:
V.6
And (a)the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a (b)place prepared of God, that (c)they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260.)
(a) "Woman;" i.e. Israel (as above.)
( B) "Place prepared of God;" this statement also mitigates against those that teach that the "child," of V.2 is Israel; as here, this uniquely prepared refuge is for the fleeing Israel, (Matt. 24:15-22.)
(c) "They;" maybe spiritual servants of Jehovah Zebaoth on earth, or human beings, who feed (sustain) this remnant for exactly 3½ Jewish years (i.e. 360 days = 1 Jewish year.) If human beings, they may be some of those referred to by Christ, when He judges the nations (Matt. 25:32-46) at the beginning of Millennial. The Almighty is here again demonstrating His will to sustain His people, as He did in the wanderings of Israel for 40 years, prior to entering the Promised Land! This period corresponds with that of the ministry of the "two witnesses," and also our Lord warned the "lost sheep," to flee to this area (wilderness) (Matt. 24:15-22.)
Floyd.
(brodav9): with respect Jesus was here addressing the Jews, "I come only to the lost sheep of Israel"; not for a Christian to worry about.
Regarding the "Tribulation"; in my firm opinion, it is 3.5 years in duration, not 7; see: www.revelationsmessage.co.uk
The ref. in Rev.12, is to those exhorted to flee by Jesus in Matt.24: see:
V.6
And (a)the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a (b)place prepared of God, that (c)they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260.)
(a) "Woman;" i.e. Israel (as above.)
( B) "Place prepared of God;" this statement also mitigates against those that teach that the "child," of V.2 is Israel; as here, this uniquely prepared refuge is for the fleeing Israel, (Matt. 24:15-22.)
(c) "They;" maybe spiritual servants of Jehovah Zebaoth on earth, or human beings, who feed (sustain) this remnant for exactly 3½ Jewish years (i.e. 360 days = 1 Jewish year.) If human beings, they may be some of those referred to by Christ, when He judges the nations (Matt. 25:32-46) at the beginning of Millennial. The Almighty is here again demonstrating His will to sustain His people, as He did in the wanderings of Israel for 40 years, prior to entering the Promised Land! This period corresponds with that of the ministry of the "two witnesses," and also our Lord warned the "lost sheep," to flee to this area (wilderness) (Matt. 24:15-22.)
Floyd.
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Choir Loft
Interestingly, Muslim eschatology states that a false Jesus, one who is called Isa in the Qur'an will return to the world stage. Exactly how that will be accomplished remains a confused subject. The Muslim Isa, false Jesus, will convince many Jews and Christians to convert to Islam. The trend to convert to Islam is already quite pronounced in the world today. It is so great that Muslim leaders are themselves reportedly amazed. A false Isa may only escalate the trend.veteran said:
Representation of all religions? Not hardly, not possible and not likely. Why?
Think about it.
Religion is by its nature exclusive of all other religions. Even great political leaders devoid of the pretense of religion (I'm thinking now of atheist leaders like Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin, Hitler, ad nauseum), have to create their own public image in the form of leader-worship. That leader-worship is also exclusive.
Again, no great movement be it national or international ever spoke for all religions. Both religion and political philosophy are exclusive of all others.
This is especially true with Islam, Judaism and Christianity the three major religions on the planet.
When considering the possibility of future events, one must work with tools and evidence on hand not imagination and fantasy. Therefore we are reduced to considering the historic implications, as well as the literature and the actions of the religion itself, that Islam may indeed fit the description of its own literature as well as the Word of God for the last days.
The tribulation is a period the Bible describes with attention to detail. It states that the tribulation will be a time unequalled in the history of man. I submit that when it comes there will be no difficulty recognizing it for what it is. As for its nearness on the stage of history, I think we're pretty darn close.
Jesus said that although we cannot know the day or hour of His return, we CAN know seasons and signs.
Tell me dear reader, what do the signs and the seasons tell YOU?
and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
From rjp:
The tribulation is a period the Bible describes with attention to detail. It states that the tribulation will be a time unequalled in the history of man. I submit that when it comes there will be no difficulty recognizing it for what it is. As for its nearness on the stage of history, I think we're pretty darn close.
Jesus said that although we cannot know the day or hour of His return, we CAN know seasons and signs.
Tell me dear reader, what do the signs and the seasons tell YOU?
From Floyd:
Probably very near; even only a few years away. As you know, we are only told to "watch", which many are doing; but, many, if not most "leaders and preachers" are very head in the sand on this issue.
See: The Great Tribulation
The Gross Neglect by Church Teachers of Coming Events: (
The Rapture Those Taken and Those Not.
Rev Chapter 13
Rev Chapter 14
Floyd.
The tribulation is a period the Bible describes with attention to detail. It states that the tribulation will be a time unequalled in the history of man. I submit that when it comes there will be no difficulty recognizing it for what it is. As for its nearness on the stage of history, I think we're pretty darn close.
Jesus said that although we cannot know the day or hour of His return, we CAN know seasons and signs.
Tell me dear reader, what do the signs and the seasons tell YOU?
From Floyd:
Probably very near; even only a few years away. As you know, we are only told to "watch", which many are doing; but, many, if not most "leaders and preachers" are very head in the sand on this issue.
See: The Great Tribulation
The Gross Neglect by Church Teachers of Coming Events: (
The Rapture Those Taken and Those Not.
Rev Chapter 13
Rev Chapter 14
Floyd.
From rjp:
The tribulation is a period the Bible describes with attention to detail. It states that the tribulation will be a time unequalled in the history of man. I submit that when it comes there will be no difficulty recognizing it for what it is. As for its nearness on the stage of history, I think we're pretty darn close.
From Floyd.
It is a dangerous and futile enterprise, attempting to predict events in scriptures prophecy.
Whatever is attempted, it will be wrong in the event!
What is safe, is the statement that "Israel is the signpost" of God's events in prophecy; which I personally go with.
I heard a comment recently, that the 70th anniversary of the state of Israel is in 2018, (from Sep.1948) and that the enemies of Israel will not let that year pass without incident.
I think we can be sure of that; but as regards the prophecies re. Anti-Christ, his temple in Jerusalem, his "peace contract" with Israel etc.: nobody can yet predict timing; except to say that "It feels near", in the sense of world events and particularly Mid-east events.
Israel - Prophecy - The Last Days (Separate study)
Floyd.
The tribulation is a period the Bible describes with attention to detail. It states that the tribulation will be a time unequalled in the history of man. I submit that when it comes there will be no difficulty recognizing it for what it is. As for its nearness on the stage of history, I think we're pretty darn close.
From Floyd.
It is a dangerous and futile enterprise, attempting to predict events in scriptures prophecy.
Whatever is attempted, it will be wrong in the event!
What is safe, is the statement that "Israel is the signpost" of God's events in prophecy; which I personally go with.
I heard a comment recently, that the 70th anniversary of the state of Israel is in 2018, (from Sep.1948) and that the enemies of Israel will not let that year pass without incident.
I think we can be sure of that; but as regards the prophecies re. Anti-Christ, his temple in Jerusalem, his "peace contract" with Israel etc.: nobody can yet predict timing; except to say that "It feels near", in the sense of world events and particularly Mid-east events.
Israel - Prophecy - The Last Days (Separate study)
Floyd.
Hi Floyd,Floyd said:
I would observe that there are two approaches to Bible Prophecy as follows:
1. 1Thess 5:3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape.
2. 1Thess 5:4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.
So either be surprised, or be informed. Your choice!
With Best Regards,
DD
keras
Writer of Bible study guides
I am appalled at the lack of understanding about end times among most Christians. We are so close to the time when the Lord will once again take action in His creation, but even on forums like this, people seem virtually clueless. DD, you quote 1 Thess. 5:4 - do you know what is going to happen?
Or are you 'in the dark', like most churchgoers, but they seem to prefer to be that way.
Have a careful read of my thread 'Almighty God and Planet Earth' for a sequence of the prophesies that are about to take place.
Be aware and be prepared, or be shocked and terrified, like all the rest!
Or are you 'in the dark', like most churchgoers, but they seem to prefer to be that way.
Have a careful read of my thread 'Almighty God and Planet Earth' for a sequence of the prophesies that are about to take place.
Be aware and be prepared, or be shocked and terrified, like all the rest!
I thought the next squence of prophecies is Satan is loosed toward the end of the signified "7 year tribulation" period where the period officially began at 70 A.D. (Lk.21:24), and we are on the verge of Satan being loosed any moment, correct? Then IThess.5:4 ("1" Return of Christ, ie, the "1" Parousia) - how am I doing so far?keras said:
Old Jack's view so far?
keras
Writer of Bible study guides
No Jack, in order for the 'man of perdition' to arise, that is the man to whom Satan will confer his powers, many things must happen first.
The only prophesies in the Bible that give a clear sequence of events, is Revelations Seals, Trumpets and Bowls. Rev 5:1 describes the scroll sealed with seven seals. You cannot place the Seals after the rest, as some do, thinking that all the wrath of God occurs at the Return.
As we are told twice in Zechariah, the first 5 Seals [horsemen] are loosed upon the earth already. We have wars, famines and plagues aplenty and the saints have been killed since 1 AD.
Therefore the next prophesied event we can expect is the Sixth Seal. This sudden and shocking worldwide devastation by a CME sunstrike, will start the countdown to the Return, after all that is prophesied happens; about 15 years later. [about a half hour of heaven time, the Seventh Seal.] 1 Thess 5:3-4 applies to the Sixth Seal event. Would people say: 'All is peaceful' - during the Great Tribulation?
The only prophesies in the Bible that give a clear sequence of events, is Revelations Seals, Trumpets and Bowls. Rev 5:1 describes the scroll sealed with seven seals. You cannot place the Seals after the rest, as some do, thinking that all the wrath of God occurs at the Return.
As we are told twice in Zechariah, the first 5 Seals [horsemen] are loosed upon the earth already. We have wars, famines and plagues aplenty and the saints have been killed since 1 AD.
Therefore the next prophesied event we can expect is the Sixth Seal. This sudden and shocking worldwide devastation by a CME sunstrike, will start the countdown to the Return, after all that is prophesied happens; about 15 years later. [about a half hour of heaven time, the Seventh Seal.] 1 Thess 5:3-4 applies to the Sixth Seal event. Would people say: 'All is peaceful' - during the Great Tribulation?
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