Why would He have his disciples drink his blood and eat His body while on earth?JimParker said:
And, he gave His disciples many instructions to follow after His death and resurrection, why wouldn't He instruct them to pray to His mother?
Did Christ instruct His Apostles to pray to His earthly mother?
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And, he gave His disciples many instructions to follow after His death and resurrection, why wouldn't He instruct them to pray to His mother?
The Nightmare World of Jack T. Chicknewbirth said:
It's tempting to laugh off Jack Chick's tracts and comic books. Their lurid tales and paranoid conspiracy theories make them hard to take seriously. But millions of people take them very seriously. That is why Chick has been able to distribute more than half a billion of his tracts. What is worse, many are aimed directly at Catholics, attempting to convert them to Fundamentalism.
This is part of the problem: With the sheer volume of errors, half-truths, and misrepresentations that Chick makes about the Church, there is simply no way to refute them all. Often even a single panel from one of his tracts contains multiple mistakes. Doing a thorough refutation of everything Chick says would require several book-length works.
I've been away a while.
I have two questions concerning the OP.
1) Where in the Bible does it explicitly state that all Christian doctrines and practices must be found in the Bible to be trustworthy?
2) If no such verse exists, then are you following a man made tradition?
Catholics ask Mary to pray for us because it has been part of Christianity since the beginning of the Church. Heaven and earth do not hold separate families. That is an anti-biblical notion invented by certain post-reformist cults. We are ONE family in Christ, (Eph. 3:14-15) and if Mary cannot pray for us then, logically, nobody can pray for anybody. That is not Christianity.
Here is a trivia question: Who was the first Bible-Christian to invent the term "dead saint"? If you can find such a verse with that term in it, I would like to check it out.
Marian doctrines are not a good starting point for non-Catholics in understanding Catholicism. It is not even the first thing taught to new converts coming into the Church. There must be some baseline or foundation in which to start. First there must be an understanding of the historic apostolic community, the primacy of Peter, apostolic succession, sacraments, and then Mary is easier to understand.
Next are the obstacles. The main one is the problem of interpretation. Then there are the problems of Christological errors. To reject the Marian doctrines of the historic Church is to fall susceptible to heresy. (Nestorianism, [SIZE=13.3333330154419px]Sabellianism, Pelagianism, etc.)[/SIZE]
The basis of all the Marian Doctrines goes back to the Old Testament where we learn about the nature of the sacred.
If you believe that nothing on this earth can be sacred (except Jesus) then you may have Gnostic threads running through your belief system.
I have two questions concerning the OP.
1) Where in the Bible does it explicitly state that all Christian doctrines and practices must be found in the Bible to be trustworthy?
2) If no such verse exists, then are you following a man made tradition?
Catholics ask Mary to pray for us because it has been part of Christianity since the beginning of the Church. Heaven and earth do not hold separate families. That is an anti-biblical notion invented by certain post-reformist cults. We are ONE family in Christ, (Eph. 3:14-15) and if Mary cannot pray for us then, logically, nobody can pray for anybody. That is not Christianity.
Here is a trivia question: Who was the first Bible-Christian to invent the term "dead saint"? If you can find such a verse with that term in it, I would like to check it out.
Marian doctrines are not a good starting point for non-Catholics in understanding Catholicism. It is not even the first thing taught to new converts coming into the Church. There must be some baseline or foundation in which to start. First there must be an understanding of the historic apostolic community, the primacy of Peter, apostolic succession, sacraments, and then Mary is easier to understand.
Next are the obstacles. The main one is the problem of interpretation. Then there are the problems of Christological errors. To reject the Marian doctrines of the historic Church is to fall susceptible to heresy. (Nestorianism, [SIZE=13.3333330154419px]Sabellianism, Pelagianism, etc.)[/SIZE]
The basis of all the Marian Doctrines goes back to the Old Testament where we learn about the nature of the sacred.
If you believe that nothing on this earth can be sacred (except Jesus) then you may have Gnostic threads running through your belief system.
I don't pray to anyone or anything, but I do talk to my spirit all the time.Zog Has-fallen said:
kepha31 said:
2Tim:3:13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
We know verse 16, therefore anything taught outside of scripture in reference to the Lord God and His People, is to deceive and mislead. What people don’t get is the bible is the doctrine. Therefore all things acceptable for the churches must stand and be proved in scripture. Because, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God".
You deceive yourself if you think men’s theologies are sound doctrine just because a leader some time back adopted it for the church he was given charge of. The "Mother of God’ doctrine according to catholic priest historians started some time back when the church toke console on the mater in a city where the worship of a female god prevailed. It’s been some time when I saw this info on the Catholic Church’s channel. I just don’t remember the particulars, sorry. I am sure if you investigate enough you will find what I am talking about. I think it was in the later 500's some time after St Gregory the Great was Pope, but don’t hold me to that.
If we can't use scripture to prove and reprove the validity of a teaching or doctrine, then any ambitious soul can deceive the people of the church that don’t know without relying on scripture to know the difference. The Catholic Church could get away with alot back in the day when most couldn't read. until the KJV was put together and made public.
"Church is to fall susceptible to heresy" any organization can adopt a theology and or philosophy and call and say anyone that has agreed to be in that organization that is against it's principles can be accused of heresy. But you fail to understand that in the view of the scriptures there are those who would say what the Catholic Church teaches is heresy in this case. Since it is the catholic church that has agreed to the scriptures as true and: 16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
This is what the Catholic church agrees to as true isn’t that so?
DPMartin said:2Tim:3:13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
We know verse 16, therefore anything taught outside of scripture in reference to the Lord God and His People, is to deceive and mislead.
You ignore verse 14 thus you take verse 16 out of context. "continue what you have learned". That can only mean Tradition (not mere human tradition)
"...assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;" That can only mean Timothy learned from "whom", a teaching authority, not scriptures.
You deceive yourself if you think men’s theologies are sound doctrine just because a leader some time back adopted it for the church he was given charge of.
False premise. "Men's theologies" and "some leader" is not how sound doctrine develops. Truth is found, not invented. The CC has always used Scripture as a primary source for doctrine, but there is nothing in Scripture that says it must be the only source. And it is impossible for the CC to invent doctrines. For example, the Trinity was a development of what was always believed, (but ambiguous in Scripture) the Council of Nicae did not invent it, the Trinity was clarified to refute the Arian heresy. And the one using sola scriptura was the heresiarch Arius. He was refuted by the Church's understanding of Scripture, not any one individual quoting opinionated scripture.
The "Mother of God’ doctrine according to catholic priest historians started some time back when the church toke console on the mater in a city where the worship of a female god prevailed.
Please provide primary or secondary documentation to support this lie/insult. The Roman Empire opened up to the Christian faith; there were almost no pagans left at this point in history.
"Mother of God" defended the Incarnation which refuted the Nestorian heresy at the Council Ephesus in 431. Either you are a Nestorian or you do not believe Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is God. Therefore Mary is the mother of God. It's simple logic. Arguing in the absence of Jesus won't work. Jesus is fully God and fully man born of a human mother. She is not some kind of rent-a-womb birthing a human/divine Oreo cookie.
It’s been some time when I saw this info on the Catholic Church’s channel. I just don’t remember the particulars, sorry. I am sure if you investigate enough you will find what I am talking about. I think it was in the later 500's some time after St Gregory the Great was Pope, but don’t hold me to that.
I won't.
If we can't use scripture to prove and reprove the validity of a teaching or doctrine, then any ambitious soul can deceive the people of the church that don’t know without relying on scripture to know the difference.
It's nice to know that everybody who uses scripture in this way is in full agreement on what it means.
The Catholic Church could get away with alot back in the day when most couldn't read. until the KJV was put together and made public.
That is not true. Scriptures were/are read aloud at every Mass. The Word of God is to be heard, not read. That is what Scripture says if you notice. The KJV was commissioned by the king of England for the Anglican church, and today they use other versions.
Luther's Protestant Bible came out 1520 and before his Bible the Catholic Bible had been translated into Spanish, Italian, Danish, French, Norwegian, Polish, Bohemian, Hungarian and English, there was exactly 104 editions in Latin; 38 editions in German language, 25 editions in Italian language, 18 in French. In all 626 editions of the Bible with 198 in the language of the laity, had been edited before the first Protestant Bible was sent forth into the world.
Accusing the CC of hiding the bible from the public has no basis in reality.
"Church is to fall susceptible to heresy" any organization can adopt a theology and or philosophy and call and say anyone that has agreed to be in that organization that is against it's principles can be accused of heresy.
It doesn't make them right, unless their authority to declare a heresy is of divine appointment.
But you fail to understand that in the view of the scriptures there are those who would say what the Catholic Church teaches is heresy in this case.
Which of the tens of thousands of opposing "view of the scriptures" can authoritatively declare a heresy? What grounds do you have that gives you more authority than the millions of Bible-Christians with opposing views?
Why does your view of scriptures count but the consistent view of the great councils going back to the Apostles count for nothing?
Since it is the catholic church that has agreed to the scriptures as true and: 16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
This is what the Catholic church agrees to as true isn’t that so?
Yes.
115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
Interestingly enough in Catholic Tradition the four uses of Scripture correspond to the Quadriga, the four-fold method of exegesis for the Bible used in the medieval period:
Literal (teaching),
Analogical (reproof),
Prophetic (correction),
and Moral (training in righteousness).
The protestant reformers rejected this and tried to reduce biblical exegesis to the literal-historical method. In doing so, they were considered by their Catholic contemporaries as being unbiblical for ignoring 2 Tim 3:16.
Praying to a mortal person such as Mary is blasphemy, and non Biblical as most of what the Roman (globalist) Catholic church preaches and practices...
Remember salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
Remember salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
Everything in the Bible that shreds your Roman religion's pagan doctrines is "pyschotic ranting"....Why you got the sun around the heads of the caricatures in those "cute" pictures you keep posting? Oh, yes sungod worship origins of the Roman religion....okay got it thanks!
Remember Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin...
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Remember Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin...
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Christ never instructed anyone to pray to his earthly mother Mary, it is mentioned many times in the Bible, that you can only serve one God, the true God, Jesus Christ.
Right on Josho...you got it right.....Kepha forgets,and ignores the fact his Roman global (catholic) religious organization over the years has been the one who has killed and persecuted real Christians because they would not join his pagan Roman religion, and it will do the same again in the end times..Revelation 17 identifies this pagan based religion right on...the good thing is God destroys it as it is an abomination to God..Rev 18...so their time is short...
They should repent and know and remember salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
They should repent and know and remember salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
The only instructions Jesus ever gave to anyone concerning His mother were given to the Beloved Disciple, John. As He hung, dying, on the cross, Jesus told John to look after His mother.
And He did give His Apostles instructions in how to pray, and Mary was not included in those instructions.
I would like to interject something here, however.
When Paul writes that "all scripture is profitable" etc, he was NOT writing about the Bible....the Bible did not exist yet. So, while it is true that Catholics chose which books would or would not be included, Paul wrote this before that happened. I seriously think that we need to keep this in mind.
I've always wondered about praying to Mary...or to anyone else other than the Lord, Himself. Can Mary actually hear these petitions, and can she present them to her Son in Heaven? I'm not really sure.
But one thing I am sure of, and that is that Jesus went to quite a bit of trouble to open the way for us to take our prayers directly to the Father. Because of His finished work at Calvary, we may enter the Holy of Holies.
We are adopted as sons and daughters of the Most High God! There is nothing at all keeping us from climbing up on our Dear Father's lap and telling Him what is on our mind, directly!
That being so...why would I bother with any other denizen of Heaven? Doesn't it make more sense to go right to the Top?
And He did give His Apostles instructions in how to pray, and Mary was not included in those instructions.
I would like to interject something here, however.
When Paul writes that "all scripture is profitable" etc, he was NOT writing about the Bible....the Bible did not exist yet. So, while it is true that Catholics chose which books would or would not be included, Paul wrote this before that happened. I seriously think that we need to keep this in mind.
I've always wondered about praying to Mary...or to anyone else other than the Lord, Himself. Can Mary actually hear these petitions, and can she present them to her Son in Heaven? I'm not really sure.
But one thing I am sure of, and that is that Jesus went to quite a bit of trouble to open the way for us to take our prayers directly to the Father. Because of His finished work at Calvary, we may enter the Holy of Holies.
We are adopted as sons and daughters of the Most High God! There is nothing at all keeping us from climbing up on our Dear Father's lap and telling Him what is on our mind, directly!
That being so...why would I bother with any other denizen of Heaven? Doesn't it make more sense to go right to the Top?
Not meaning to offend...but what does Jack Chick have to do with this topic?kepha31 said:
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Of course, I've never paid much attention to those silly things...so maybe I missed something?
Asking someone to pray for you does not mean you are worshiping them. All prayer is not worship. In old English, people would say, "I pray thee, pass the salt." They do not mean, "I worship you as God, pass the salt.' "Pray" means to ask.Josho said:
Scroll up to post #70 and click on the link.
Catholics do not expect non-Catholic Christians to pray to anyone but God. We have no problem with that. But criticizing Catholics over prayer devotions is based on ignorance and reformist inventions.
Good point.The Barrd said:
As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.
Some might try to argue that in this passage the prayers being offered were not addressed to the saints in heaven, but directly to God. Yet this argument would only strengthen the fact that those in heaven can hear our prayers, for then the saints would be aware of our prayers even when they are not directed to them!
In any event, it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.
Of course you should pray directly to God! Catholics do it all the time! If you ever go to a Mass we ask all the angels and saints to pray for us, and Mary's name comes up once. Intercessory prayers last about 20 seconds, the rest of the 45 minute Mass is directly to God. I would encourage you to attend someday.
You can and you should. But we are still a family.
The Barrd said:
Asking someone to pray for you does not mean you are worshiping them. All prayer is not worship. In old English, people would say, "I pray thee, pass the salt." They do not mean, "I worship you as God, pass the salt.' "Pray" means to ask.
Scroll up to post #70 and click on the link.
Catholics do not expect non-Catholic Christians to pray to anyone but God. We have no problem with that. But criticizing Catholics over prayer devotions is based on ignorance and reformist inventions.
Yes, but Kepha, there is more to Catholic Mariology than just praying to her.
Don't you guys also call her "The Queen of Heaven", and don't you believe that she appears to people and grants them miracles...something even Jesus does not do...or does He? Does He have His Own special spring somewhere, with pilgrims wiho come to "venerate" Him? (and what is "venerate" if it is not worship?)
And what about those statues that weep...or even bleed?
Or Mary's perpetual virginity...even though that leaves her with several children that must be explained?
BTW, there is nothing in the Bible about Joseph's age when he married his virgin, nor is there the slightest suggestion that he did not enjoy a normal married life with her after her Blessed Child was born.
Of course, Mary will always be "Blessed among women"...but that doesn't mean that we must read more into the Biblical text about her than what is actually there...
The Barrd, on 16 Sept 2015 - 1:31 PM, said:
I do get one right....every now and then.
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Some might try to argue that in this passage the prayers being offered were not addressed to the saints in heaven, but directly to God. Yet this argument would only strengthen the fact that those in heaven can hear our prayers, for then the saints would be aware of our prayers even when they are not directed to them!
In any event, it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.
Good point.
You get one right once in awhile too, my friend!
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I may do that one day...but I don't think I could ever become a Catholic. Don't get me wrong, I love my Catholic brothers and sisters...there are just some things in Catholicism I cannot agree with.
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Yes, we are still a family. And God is the head of it.
The Barrd, on 16 Sept 2015 - 1:39 PM, said:
Scroll up to post #70 and click on the link.
Catholics do not expect non-Catholic Christians to pray to anyone but God. We have no problem with that. But criticizing Catholics over prayer devotions is based on ignorance and reformist inventions.
Yes, but Kepha, there is more to Catholic Mariology than just praying to her.
Don't you guys also call her "The Queen of Heaven", and don't you believe that she appears to people and grants them miracles...something even Jesus does not do...or does He? Does He have His Own special spring somewhere, with pilgrims wiho come to "venerate" Him? (and what is "venerate" if it is not worship?)
And what about those statues that weep...or even bleed?
Or Mary's perpetual virginity...even though that leaves her with several children that must be explained?
BTW, there is nothing in the Bible about Joseph's age when he married his virgin, nor is there the slightest suggestion that he did not enjoy a normal married life with her after her Blessed Child was born.
Of course, Mary will always be "Blessed among women"...but that doesn't mean that we must read more into the Biblical text about her than what is actually there...
The Barrd, on 16 Sept 2015 - 1:31 PM, said:
Good point.The Barrd said:
I do get one right....every now and then.
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As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.
Some might try to argue that in this passage the prayers being offered were not addressed to the saints in heaven, but directly to God. Yet this argument would only strengthen the fact that those in heaven can hear our prayers, for then the saints would be aware of our prayers even when they are not directed to them!
In any event, it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.
Good point.
You get one right once in awhile too, my friend!
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Of course you should pray directly to God! Catholics do it all the time! If you ever go to a Mass we ask all the angels and saints to pray for us, and Mary's name comes up once. Intercessory prayers last about 20 seconds, the rest of the 45 minute Mass is directly to God. I would encourage you to attend someday.
I may do that one day...but I don't think I could ever become a Catholic. Don't get me wrong, I love my Catholic brothers and sisters...there are just some things in Catholicism I cannot agree with.
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You can and you should. But we are still a family.
Yes, we are still a family. And God is the head of it.
The Barrd, on 16 Sept 2015 - 1:39 PM, said:
The Barrd said:
The Barrd said:
Luke 1:36 - Elizabeth is Mary's kinswoman. Some Bibles translate kinswoman as "cousin," but this is an improper translation because in Hebrew and Aramaic, there is no word for "cousin."
Acts 1:15, 120 "Jesus' brothers" were present. Mary would have to be pregnant for 90 years! So obviously, if there is no word for cousin, they used brother or brethren as a blanket term.
The basis of all the Marian Doctrines goes back to the Old Testament where we learn about the nature of the sacred. Without that, we are taking the long way around.
"...An important historical document which supports the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James, which was written probably less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life (around A.D. 120), when memories of her life were still vivid in the minds of many.
According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: "The principal aim of the whole writing [Protoevangelium of James] is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ" (Patrology, 1:120–1).
To begin with, the Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity..."
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Luke 1:35 The word translated “overshadow” is used nowhere else in the New Testament. In fact, it occurs only one other place in Scripture, if we refer to the Greek translation of the Old Testament that Luke was familiar with.
The book of Exodus tells us how Moses had the Ark of the Covenant placed in the Dwelling, the holy place in great tent that was to serve as the dwelling-place of God among His people. (The word translated “Dwelling” is often translated “Tabernacle.”)
“Then the cloud covered the meeting tent, and the glory of the LORD filled the Dwelling. Moses could not enter the meeting tent, because the cloud settled down upon it and the glory of the LORD filled the Dwelling” (see Exodus 40:34-35).
In the Greek version of the Old Testament, the word translated “settled down upon” (“the cloud settled down upon it”) is the same as Luke’s word “overshadow” (“the power of the Most High will overshadow you”).
Luke is telling us that the power of God will overshadow Mary just as the power of God overshadowed the Ark of the Covenant in the tent...
...On Mt. Sinai, God gave Moses instructions for building the Ark of the Covenant. The construction is minutely described (see Exodus 25:1-22). The Ark’s most important contents are the tablets of the Law (see Exodus 25:16), God’s covenant with His people. It also contained a sample of the manna that fed the Israelites in the desert (see Exodus 16:14-16) and the rod of Aaron the priest.
“In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth” (Luke 1:39-40, Revised Standard Version; compare the New American Bible translation).
We remember how “David arose and went” to a city of Judah to bring out the Ark of the Covenant (2 Samuel 6:2, Revised Standard Version; compare the New American Bibletranslation).
“When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb” (see Luke 1:41).
In the same way, David “leaped and danced” before the Ark of the Covenant (see 2 Samuel 6:14-16).
When she felt her child leap in her womb, Luke tells us, Elizabeth was “filled with the Holy Spirit” (see Luke 1:41). “And how does this happen to me,” she asked, “that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (see Luke 1:43).
Her words almost repeat what David said about the Ark of the Covenant: “How can the ark of the LORD come to me?” (see 2 Samuel 6:9).
Finally, after her glorious hymn of praise to God (which we know, from its first word in Latin, as the Magnificat; see Luke 1:46-55), “Mary remained with her [Elizabeth] about three months and then returned to her home” (see Luke 1:56).
The Ark of the Covenant “remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite for three months” on its way to Jerusalem (see 2 Samuel 6:11).
Luke piles these parallels one on top of another, so that we can’t help noticing the similarity between the Ark of the Covenant’s trip to Jerusalem and Mary’s trip to Zechariah’s house.
To drive the point home even more, Luke makes an interesting word choice in Luke 1:42: he tells us that Elizabeth “cried out in a loud voice” when she expressed her joy at Mary’s arrival.
The word translated “cried out” occurs nowhere else in the New Testament. But it does occur five times in the Greek translation of the Old Testament, and every time it shows up in passages having to do with the Ark of the Covenant, describing the joyful noise God’s people made in celebration of His presence among them.
Elizabeth lifts up her voice in praise of God in the presence of Mary, just as her ancestors (Elizabeth was a Levite and a descendant of Aaron the priest; see Luke 1:5) did in the presence of the Ark of the Covenant.
All these parallels point to one startling truth: Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant.
In the Old Testament, the Ark of the Covenant bore the tablets of God’s covenant, God’s word in stone. In the New Testament, Mary carries God’s Word in flesh, Jesus Christ, who will bring the New Covenant that Jeremiah foresaw so long ago (see Jeremiah 31:27-34)
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many catholics do not own or read the bible...they follow the tradition of the "church"...some even say "I was born a catholic" or "I was baptised as a baby" man made doctrine they follow...kepha31 said:
they follow the pope...and pray to idols....so instead of worrying about Chick....worry if you are following God and not man
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