Conflating Jesus' Second Coming with the Scorched Earth is not possible

[robert derrick]

What is being seen is an attempt to morph prophecies of Scripture of Christ's earthly reign into a 'renewed' new earth only.

It openly contradicts Scripture in one place, which disanulls the doctrine, and also makes it a distinction without a difference, since the old and the new earth are made with same geography, and same detailed construction of New Jerusalem.

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom Seen, After The Day Of The Lord

Ok, let's see how it goes.

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

And so, the river of life from New jerusalem is the living waters in Zech 14, which are the same in Ezek 47:

And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

That river of living waters will go into two different seas, and one will be the Dead Sea to be healed.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

No sea nor seas, for the river of life to flow into, much less a newly created dead sea that needs healing.

There is always one or two Scriptures that expose every false doctrine.

The living waters out of Jerusalem after the Lord's return, cannot be that of the new earth, where there is no sea nor seas to flow into.

Neither can there be any see on a renewed old earth, since the earth itself is scorched of all elements and waters.

The living waters cleansing the Dead Sea is during Christ's reign on this earth, and the waters of Life on the new earth, have no sea to flow into, much less cleanse.

Now that we know Zech 14 and Ezek 47 cannot be speaking of the new earth and New Jerusalem, let's see how the Scriptures are corrupted in order to morph them into the new earth.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

Neither the Lord is fire from God, nor is He symbolized as fire from God, nor is fire from God burning all the earth, while the ground war rages.

And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

Rev 20 says plainly that the fire of God will come down, while Gog and Magog are surrounding the camp of the saints. Nothing is said of the Lord's return at that time, nor of the resurrected saints at that time, nor of any ground war at that time.

The Lord does not return to earth in fire, nor is He that fire, but He comes in Person to fight with the armies and cleanse Jerusalem. There is no coming of the Lord and fighting on the earth, in Rev 20:9. But only fire immediately coming down when Gog and Magog surround the beloved city.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Rev 20:9 accounts for no fleeing after the Lord stands on Olivet and makes a new valley to flee into.

It is them of Judah, that will flee into the newly made valley unto Azal, and the saints will be with them.

After the valley is made, by the Lord standing on Olivet: No immediately twinkling of the eye resurrection and departure of the Lord and His saints, who are escorting the inhabitants of Judah into the valley.

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

This is morphing the geography of the area into a new earth, by fiat.

It is a meaningless gesture, to now try and make specifics of geography prophesied, into a new earth, that has no sea at all, and has the same geography of land and construction of Jerusalem:

All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

The exact details of Jerusalem's construction today, must be the same with the New Jerusalem, after the Jerusalem and earth of old is melted by fire.

And if it is created anew the same as the old, then why are inhabitants fleeing into the valley toward Azal, with the saints in escort.

Are the nations, that are forbidden to enter the gates of New Jerusalem, chasing them there too?

Is New jerusalem a city of sanctuary on the new earth, where no man may venture without a guard of saints?

That really makes a distinction with absolutely no difference, and contradicts any teaching that there will be eternal peace, without war, violence, nor fear on the new earth.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Both here and in Rev 19:15, are them that are left after the war, to be ruled by Christ and keep the yearly feast of tabernacles.

They are rejected outright by them, that also say there will be not one, but two seas on the new earth, and one of them will be dead and in need of healing.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Fulfilled in Rev 20:9, not in Rev 19.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Which has no sea on the new earth to flow into, especially not a dead one in need of healing.

 

[ewq1938]

All 7 heads hadn’t lost their authority in John’s time.

The heads are areas of land not people. You are conflating the 7 heads with the consecutive series of kings that came and went in history.

 

[Truth7t7]

That river of living waters will go into two different seas, and one will be the Dead Sea to be healed.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

No sea nor seas, for the river of life to flow into, much less a newly created dead sea that needs healing.

The "Sea" seen in Revelation 21:1 isn't literal oceans of water as you "Falsely Claim"

"Sea" represents "Multitudes Of People", there won't be Multitudes of People in the New Heaven and Earth, the wicked are gone, only the righteous "Few" and "Chosen" will be in the NHNE

Does (The Beast) below rise out of a "Sea" of water, like the creature from the black lagoon "No"! He rise from amongst Multitudes of People

You have been clearly shown this biblical truth, will you continue to teach your error?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 Revelation 13:1KJV1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 17:15KJV
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

 

[robert derrick]

So I should lie and tell people I don't know these things when I do? Sounds like fakery to me. As per what I have read via your posts I see confusion in large part tbh. It doesn't really matter what you believe , I mean Joseph Smith believed and we wound up with the Mormons. I do not stake my understandings on your opinions. The Holy Spirit testifies of the truth at all times. The problem is some people allow Satan to whisper deception unto them. It is what it is, and I see it coming a mile away, I have the Holy Spirit radar.


Not for you. But I am correct, so that is not really relevant is it.

Arrogance is the favorite accusation of them, that have not intelligent response.

You know people are breaking down, when they have to make things personal.

I would like to see your teaching on 1335, times and half a time, 2 1/2 years, 42 months.

I'd prefer it a point at a time, but in any case I want to see it. If you want to, then you can do it on this thread, or in private with me, or make a new thread for it.

 

[Truth7t7]

Fulfilled in Rev 20:9, not in Rev 19.

You're 100% Incorrect

The battle seen in Revelation Chapters 16, 19, 20, are "Parallel Teachings" of the same event in the "Second Coming" that takes place "Immediately After The Tribulation"

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev 20 says plainly that the fire of God will come down, while Gog and Magog are surrounding the camp of the saints. Nothing is said of the Lord's return at that time, nor of the resurrected saints at that time, nor of any ground war at that time.

Your claim is "False"!

Revelation 20:9-15 below shows the armies surrounding Jerusalem, fire from heaven, as the resurrection of all takes place at the final judgment

You intentionally distract from the contect of Revelation Chapter 20 in "Deception"

Same Event Below, Fire And Brimstone From Heaven, "When Jesus Christ Is Revealed"!

Jesus Is The Lord

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Revelation 20:9-15KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev 20:9 accounts for no fleeing after the Lord stands on Olivet and makes a new valley to flee into.

It is them of Judah, that will flee into the newly made valley unto Azal, and the saints will be with them.

After the valley is made, by the Lord standing on Olivet: No immediately twinkling of the eye resurrection and departure of the Lord and His saints, who are escorting the inhabitants of Judah into the valley.

You Sci-Fi fairy tale of Revelation 20:9, as post #126 above silences your false claims

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Keraz]

Paul said he and we would have part in that resurrection at the Lord's return. 1 Cor 15, and I Thess 4.

He will as per 1 Cor 15:50-56, as that refers to the Judgment, after the Millennium.
But I do not see how Paul can participate when Jesus Returns, as he Prophesies in 1 Thess 4:16-17. He is dead and won't be raised until after the Millennium.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I would like to see your teaching on 1335, times and half a time, 2 1/2 years, 42 months.

I'd prefer it a point at a time, but in any case I want to see it. If you want to, then you can do it on this thread, or in private with me, or make a new thread for it.

Notice in Dan. 12:6 when the Angel asks the Man in Linen (Jesus pre incarnate imho) how long it will be until all of these wonders end we get the answer in verse 7, which doesn't name a person at all, it simply says this at the end of verse 7...time, times and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished...

So, we now know who the HE was, the Anti-Christ who was spoken about in Dan. 11:36-45, but Daniel had no clue who he was, that is why in verse 8 he says I head but I did not understand, then he asks the exact same question to finished off verse 8 that the angel asked in verse 6, what shall be the end of these things? Same question in essence.

So, because we now understand who the HE was we understand the Anti-Christ has 1260 days to rule over Israel whom he conquers, then Jesus' 2nd coming will end his rule. Well, the 1290 and 1335 are given unto us in the same manner, we are told about two coming events that are 1335 days away from all of these wonders ending [at the 2nd coming] and about another event that is 1290 days away from all of these things ending, again, via Jesus' 2nd coming. Just like in the 1260, we are given no names, just the events to come. We have to figure out who the 1290 and 1335 are just like we had to figure out that the 1260 was the coming Anti-Christ.

Now, I can tell you who they are, because I sought an answer. A dug deep, and matched up everything with the scriptures.

 

[robert derrick]

The "Sea" seen in Revelation 21:1 isn't literal oceans of water as you "Falsely Claim"

"Sea" represents "Multitudes Of People", there won't be Multitudes of People in the New Heaven and Earth, the wicked are gone, only the righteous "Few" and "Chosen" will be in the NHNE

Does (The Beast) below rise out of a "Sea" of water, like the creature from the black lagoon "No"! He rise from amongst Multitudes of People

You have been clearly shown this biblical truth, will you continue to teach your error?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 Revelation 13:1KJV1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 17:15KJV
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

As I've said. There is no point in arguing with symbolizers of any Scripture they want.

Not only do they make fables of prophecy, but also do not acknowledge plain meaning of words of Scripture.

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

These waters of people are under the reign of the whore.

The two seas the living waters flow into, during Christ's earthly reign, are not people, nor waters, under the reign of the whore, that has fallen from any power on earth or on people.

Manic symbolizers not only do away with real events, but the words in Scripture are made devoid of any real meaning.

Even the true symbols plainly revealed as symbol in Scripture, no longer makes any sense, when they are transplanted by men into other real events.

This also proves how the new earth is also done away with as mere symbol, when doing away with Christ's reign on earth.

If the living waters and two seas of this earth are symbol only, so that a sea is not a sea, then there is no new earth with nations, since there is no sea of peoples.

And for that matter, there is no sea on this earth, since sea in the Symbol Man's Bible only means people.

And so voila: The Bible is made myth only. None of the real things on earth, and the real events spoken of on earth, are true. They are only symbols representing men's teachings and philosophies and attempts at spiritual insight.

 

[robert derrick]

Revelation 20:9-15 below shows the armies surrounding Jerusalem, fire from heaven, as the resurrection of all takes place at the final judgment

Rev 20:1-6 is the spiritual war with Satan during the Lord's war with the armies, before His righteous reign and rule of peace on earth.

Rev 20:7-10 is the final war of man against God in heaven, after the thousand years of Jesus' earthly reign expires.

Rev 20:11-15 is the resurrection and judgment of the rest of the dead, a thousand years after the first bodily resurrection of the saints.

They will be judged whether to be written in the Lamb's book of life or cast into the lake of fire.

Same Event Below, Fire And Brimstone From Heaven, "When Jesus Christ Is Revealed"!

The second coming of the Lord onto earth will be as the flood in it's unexpectedness, by now as lightning shining from east to west.

It will also be as destructive in one area on earth as with Sodom and the cities round about.

There was no mercy on those cities, and there will be none on the armies at Armageddon.

 

[robert derrick]

Jesus Is The Lord

True. Bot Lord and God.

 

[robert derrick]

He will as per 1 Cor 15:50-56, as that refers to the Judgment, after the Millennium.
But I do not see how Paul can participate when Jesus Returns, as he Prophesies in 1 Thess 4:16-17. He is dead and won't be raised until after the Millennium.

He was speaking of himself or any other Christian remaining alive on earth at Jesus' return.

Remember, they were expecting His return immediately after ascending. Angels had to move them on back to Jerusalem.

They all knew they were in the last days of sinful man's rule on earth.

Paul is the only one that put a condition on His return, because false teachers were taking advantage of the church's earnest desire to see Him sooner than later.

And some were becoming the unwatchful servants and even mocking His return, when Peter spoke of the last event of His day, which is fire melting heaven and earth, to put some fear of the Lord in our hearts.

The point being, that there is only one bodily resurrection of the saints, which will be the first one at His return. The dead in Christ will receive their resurrected bodies and rise first in His presence in heaven. Them alive on earth will be changed immortal and ascend like the two witnesses, into the air to me the Lord and His armies of saints coming out of heaven.

 

[robert derrick]

Notice in Dan. 12:6 when the Angel asks the Man in Linen (Jesus pre incarnate imho) how long it will be until all of these wonders end we get the answer in verse 7, which doesn't name a person at all, it simply says this at the end of verse 7...time, times and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished...

That would be the last antichrist beast to rise on earth. the end of his reign will be 12:1, and the resurrection of saints into the air with the returning Lord, and the beginning of God's greatest tribulation of wrath upon the earth, centered at the man of sin's seat in Jerusalem.

God's great tribulation on earth will not begin until the tribulation of man upon saints ends, which is only with their bodily resurrection.

So, because we now understand who the HE was we understand the Anti-Christ has 1260 days to rule over Israel whom he conquers,

By seduction, like a savior riding in on whited horse. A triumphal entry home, like the conquering consuls of Rome.

then Jesus' 2nd coming will end his rule.

True.

Well, the 1290 and 1335 are given unto us in the same manner, we are told about two coming events that are 1335 days away from all of these wonders ending [at the 2nd coming] and about another event that is 1290 days away from all of these things ending, again, via Jesus' 2nd coming. Just like in the 1260, we are given no names, just the events to come. We have to figure out who the 1290 and 1335 are just like we had to figure out that the 1260 was the coming Anti-Christ.

I believe the 1260 ending of man's tribulation upon saints on earth, is their bodily resurrection into the air, and then the tribulation and wrath of the Lord from the air begins upon the earth.

That is a very short work cut by the Lord, especially compared to the wrath of man upon the righteous, beginning with Cain upon Abel.

That would be 45 days of plagues prepping the earth, before His D-Day descent upon the earth to slaughter the armies at Armageddon, and establish His reign on earth standing on Olivet.

Now, I can tell you who they are, because I sought an answer. A dug deep, and matched up everything with the scriptures.

So, here's my take:

That would be Christ Himself standing on Olivet.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

That will be the people of the land and Jerusalem, escorted by saints down the valley of safety to Azul.

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

They did not welcome the conquering hero, nor join the armies at Armageddon.

They will be of the naturally righteous sheep to enter into the glorious and righteous kingdom of Christ and peace on earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

As I've said. There is no point in arguing with symbolizers of any Scripture they want.

Not only do they make fables of prophecy, but also do not acknowledge plain meaning of words of Scripture.

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

These waters of people are under the reign of the whore.

The two seas the living waters flow into, during Christ's earthly reign, are not people, nor waters, under the reign of the whore, that has fallen from any power on earth or on people.

Manic symbolizers not only do away with real events, but the words in Scripture are made devoid of any real meaning.

Even the true symbols plainly revealed as symbol in Scripture, no longer makes any sense, when they are transplanted by men into other real events.

This also proves how the new earth is also done away with as mere symbol, when doing away with Christ's reign on earth.

If the living waters and two seas of this earth are symbol only, so that a sea is not a sea, then there is no new earth with nations, since there is no sea of peoples.

And for that matter, there is no sea on this earth, since sea in the Symbol Man's Bible only means people.

And so voila: The Bible is made myth only. None of the real things on earth, and the real events spoken of on earth, are true. They are only symbols representing men's teachings and philosophies and attempts at spiritual insight.

Robert is in compete disregard of biblical truth seen below, the topic is "Sea" in Revelation 21:1, and your false claim this represents literal oceans of water "Wrong"!

The "Sea" seen in Revelation 21:1 isn't literal oceans of water as you "Falsely Claim"

"Sea" represents "Multitudes Of People", there won't be Multitudes of People in the New Heaven and Earth, the wicked are gone, only the righteous "Few" and "Chosen" will be in the NHNE

Does (The Beast) below rise out of a "Sea" of water, like the creature from the black lagoon "No"! He rise from amongst Multitudes of People

You have been clearly shown this biblical truth, will you continue to teach your error?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 Revelation 13:1KJV1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 17:15KJV
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev 20:1-6 is the spiritual war with Satan during the Lord's war with the armies, before His righteous reign and rule of peace on earth.

Revelation 20:1-6 is seen 100% in the spiritual realm, your claim armies and war is seen "Laughable"

 

[ewq1938]

Robert is in compete disregard of biblical truth seen below, the topic is "Sea" in Revelation 21:1, and your false claim this represents literal oceans of water "Wrong"!

The "Sea" seen in Revelation 21:1 isn't literal oceans of water as you "Falsely Claim"

"Sea" represents "Multitudes Of People", there won't be Multitudes of People in the New Heaven and Earth, the wicked are gone, only the righteous "Few" and "Chosen" will be in the NHNE

Which means there would be "sea" in the NHNE, but scripture says there will be no sea so clearly it refers to actual seas not existing. There will be "Multitudes of People in the New Heaven and Earth", the saved of the OT and NT.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

That would be the last antichrist beast to rise on earth. the end of his reign will be 12:1, and the resurrection of saints into the air with the returning Lord, and the beginning of God's greatest tribulation of wrath upon the earth, centered at the man of sin's seat in Jerusalem.

God's great tribulation on earth will not begin until the tribulation of man upon saints ends, which is only with their bodily resurrection.

Dan. 12:1 is when the Old Testament Jewish Saints are raised, the are married unto the Father, just like the 144,000 which is really 3.5-5 million Jews who repent. The Church will not be on earth during the 70th week, the Time of the Gentiles is referring o our CALLING by God to take the Gospel unto the whole world. There is no time of the Gentiles any other way that males sense, Gentiles have ruled all time on this earth. Romans chapters 9-11 tells this, it ends with Paul saying Israel will only repent when the time of the Gentiles has come full (IS OVER) which means we are Raptured to marry Jesus the Lamb in Heaven.

The Anti-Christ is not allowed to go forth conquering unto God's Wrath falls, both then cover the final 42 months on earth at the exact same time, they are parallel events.

By seduction, like a savior riding in on whited horse. A triumphal entry home, like the conquering consuls of Rome.

No really, it has nothing to do with the Jews accepting a false messiah, that's a misnomer. Israel simply give up their independence by joining the E.U. It is that simple.

I believe the 1260 ending of man's tribulation upon saints on earth, is their bodily resurrection into the air, and then the tribulation and wrath of the Lord from the air begins upon the earth.

That is a very short work cut by the Lord, especially compared to the wrath of man upon the righteous, beginning with Cain upon Abel.

That would be 45 days of plagues prepping the earth, before His D-Day descent upon the earth to slaughter the armies at Armageddon, and establish His reign on earth standing on Olivet.

The 1335 Blessing is the Two-witnesses who show up 1335 days BEFORE the 2nd coming to turn Israel back unto God. Malachi 4:5-6 and Zech. 13:8-9 and 14:1 prove this. We see Israel repent in Zech, 13:8-9 and THEN the DOTL arrives in Zech. 4:1. In Malachi 4:5-6 we are told that Elijah will be sent back to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord comes.

The 1290 is a Jewish High Priest False Prophet gone rouge, like unto Jason under Antiochus. He then STOPS (takes away the sacrifice) Jesus worship by the 3.5-5 million Jews who repent, he forbids Jesus worship in "his" temple, then he places an Image of the E.U. President (soon to be Beast) up in temple and that is the AoD, so when the Jews who repented see this they now know to flee Judea, without them having repented they would have had no ideas they needed to flee Judea !! Thus they have 30 days to flee Judea before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel, that's just common sense. By the way, Rev. 13 says the 2nd Beast places the Image of the 1st Beast in the temple. This happens 1290 days before the 2nd comin ends all of these wonders, r 30 dats before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel to become the Beast.

 

[ewq1938]

The 1335 Blessing is the Two-witnesses who show up 1335 days BEFORE the 2nd coming to turn Israel back unto God.

None of that is what we are given in Revelation, the only book that speaks of the two witnesses and how long they have. Nothing about them turning Israel (the unbelievers) back to God either.


Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


They prophesy for 1260 days, and then their testimony is finished. 1335 and 1290 are not related to them.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

None of that is what we are given in Revelation, the only book that speaks of the two witnesses and how long they have. Nothing about them turning Israel (the unbelievers) back to God either.

It may be the only book to you, but not me, I understand that Elijah is one of the Two-witnesses and thus Malachi 4:5-6 tells us when the Two-witnesses will show up.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

This has nothing to do with John the Baptist, the Day of the Lord is God's Wrath. John was sent in the spirit of Elijah, so says Jesus in Luke 1. So, the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL. The DOTL starts at the 1260 Asteroid Event as seen in Rev. 8. Thus the 1335 is before the DOTL, it doesn't require you to understand this brother to be true.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


They prophesy for 1260 days, and then their testimony is finished. 1335 and 1290 are not related to them.

N o one stated the 1290 was related to them per se, you do nit read very well I guess. So, IF they Prophesy 1260 dats and they do, but they die at the 2nd Woe, BEFORE the Beast dies at the 2nd Vial, then their 1260 days are finished BEFORE the Beasts 1260 days are finished, so if the Beast shows up in the exact middle of the week (1260) and rules fir 1260 days until Jesus' 2nd coming dethrones him, all one has to do is use a wee bit of common sense or SIMPLE MATH and you are an Engineer?, and they can see that if the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, BEFORE the Beast dies at the 7th Vial when Jesus returns, then in order to get in their 1260 days of ministry they have to start their ministry BEFORE the Beast starts his kingdom of 1260 days. This is just common simple math, and common sense to boot.

----------------------1260 day DOTL--------------------- Jesus Returns.
----------------------Beast starts his rule-----------------Beast is killed.
-------------------Two-witnesses---------------------2 witnesses die

It is literally SIMPLY MATH a 5th grader should understand. Both have 1260 day Ordained by God Offices on this earth fir a reason, so we can juxtapose their two timelines against each other. Therefore if one (Two-witnesses) DIES before the other (Beast) then the ones who DIES FIRS also has to SHOW UP FIRST. This shouldn't be difficult tbh, the problem with people is two fold, most are not called unto Prophecy but love dabbling in it, and once they get something in their minds they can't seem to overcome a false notion. Its SMPLE MATH.

Again, you not understanding it doesn't change God's truths brother.