Hell : Then the Lake of Fire

[GracePeace]

In, (Is. 42:21) we find another prophecy concerning Christ and the law. It reads, (v.21) The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he (Jesus) will magnify the law, and make it honourable. When you magnify something you enlarge it and bring it out more of its detail and richness. Jesus revealed the fulfillment of this prophecy when he explained, (Mat.5:27-28) (v.27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (v.28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

By magnifying the law and making it honorable, the spiritual intent of the law is now emphasized which goes far beyond the mere the physical intent. God has raised His standards, not lowered them! All God ever wanted was what was best for us! He designed us to be His children. We are happiest when we love and obey Him. He is a God who is totally righteous and holy. God cannot sin. And He wants us to follow in His footsteps. The person that says, (1John:2:6) “that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”

1. When Jesus does that with one law (eg, Vows), how do you know you're actually doing God's will in the case of another law? Only if you know Jesus do you know what God wants from you.

2. The Gentile believers who don't have or know the Law were deemed "doers of the Law" by dint of the law being written on their hearts, which is the promise of the New Covenant (Ro 2:6-16).

How did that happen if your view is correct--if Christians need to know the Law to know God's will and do it?

In my view, "God's righteousness is revealed apart from the Law" (Ro 3:21), "from faith to faith" (Ro 1:17), so that the "one law" (Ex 12:49) for both Jewish and Gentile Christians is "let each man be fully convinced in his own mind" (Ro 14:5), and "anything that does not proceed from faith is sin" (Ro 14:23).

First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Yes, you're completely lost.

Please do not be lazy quoting verses, Let's take a look at Gal 5: 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

When you are circumcised in the mind you understand when you sin you transgress the law.
The law Paul is talking about here is referring to the animal sacrificial law, not the Commandments. The Galatians continue animal sacrifices after the death of Jesus Christ, and Paul is explaining to them it's all in vain. Paul says in (Gal. 3: (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Animal Sacrifices

Nope, he mentions the fact they're observing days and months and seasons and years (Gal 4:10), so the issue was being "under Law" (Gal 4:21), which comes as a package.

The issue is WHOSE righteousness. Walking is faith, serving others through love, is God's righteousness He works in the heart, but your own righteousness is from being under Law--Paul didn't want a righteousness of his own from the Law (Php 3:9), but was "dead to the Law" (Gal 2:19), and counseled other Jewish Christians to think the same way (Ro 7:1-6). When a person reveals their own righteousness by the knowledge of good and evil (eg, the Law), they reveal themselves, and they boast in their flesh, which is sin that is condemnable (the person needs correction); when a person knows God, and obeys God, what they reveal is their knowledge of God, which is righteousness that is justifiable (the person doesn't need correction).

What killed Adam? The knowledge of good and evil. The Law is the knowledge of good and evil. It will lead to death, not spiritual life--the curse, not the blessing of Abraham, the Holy Spirit, eternal life (Gal 3). Jesus became accursed without warrant to absorb our curse we warranted.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

@Rella ~ I am a woman Please know that @bro.tan is teaching heresy.

Yep. Fairly obvious that they dont actually reply with an answer to a question

 

[BlessedPeace]

The guy just got here, and has already disqualified himself by consistently being underhanded and dishonest in his approach to conversing, because he wants to "correct" someone out of carnal desire, to be above by placing someone beneath, not because he wants to actually help anyone, build others up--he literally faulted me for defending against bro.tan's heretical view that Christians are under Torah! He just got here and already he has given me a reason not to like him at all. He is bad news. I guess when you are insane enough to adopt views like Universalism, "anything goes".

It's a bully tactic. If one goes against a member it's just one who's claiming someone's pov is wrong. However, one registers a bunch of accounts and descends on someone's pov and it looks like a group of people see the same error.

Which makes the one appear out numbered. And utterly wrong. Because everyone sees it.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Let's take a look at that verse again in Matthew 5: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. These are people that know they doing wrong, breaking God's Commandments and teaching people to break them also. Most cases they been warn to stop, we serve a merciful God.


Anyone that is not baptized is a person with their sins yet upon them, because it is the baptism that washes away our past sins. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16) "And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).

Mark 16:16 does not say he that IS NOT baptised shall be damned.

Funny that so many people jump to this addon verse that was NOT in the original writing
of Mark.

The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference

Scholars agree the Gospel of Mark is the earliest–by several decades, which has profound implications for our understanding of the “Jesus story”

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference​

This original ending of Mark was viewed by later Christians as so deficient that not only was Mark placed second in order in the New Testament, but various endings were added by editors and copyists in some manuscripts to try to remedy things. The longest concocted ending, which became Mark 16:9-19, became so treasured that it was included in the King James Version of the Bible, favored for the past 500 years by Protestants, as well as translations of the Latin Vulgate, used by Catholics. This meant that for countless millions of Christians it became sacred scripture–but it is patently bogus.

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

Yet Jesus said to baptise in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

BUT NO ONE EVER QUOTES John 6: 47-58

47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

48 I am the bread of life.

49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.

50 This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.

51 I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”

53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in
yourselves.

54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30). People, if you are in a position to be baptized, why reject the counsel of God? Rejecting God's counsel will get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).


Depend if a person knows they breaking God's law (Sabbath day). Because most people are taught Roman Christianity and deal with things that have nothing to do with Christ. This why Paul say, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[BlessedPeace]

Mark 16:16 does not say he that IS NOT baptised shall be damned.

Funny that so many people jump to this addon verse that was NOT in the original writing
of Mark.

The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference

Scholars agree the Gospel of Mark is the earliest–by several decades, which has profound implications for our understanding of the “Jesus story”

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference​

This original ending of Mark was viewed by later Christians as so deficient that not only was Mark placed second in order in the New Testament, but various endings were added by editors and copyists in some manuscripts to try to remedy things. The longest concocted ending, which became Mark 16:9-19, became so treasured that it was included in the King James Version of the Bible, favored for the past 500 years by Protestants, as well as translations of the Latin Vulgate, used by Catholics. This meant that for countless millions of Christians it became sacred scripture–but it is patently bogus.



Yet Jesus said to baptise in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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BUT NO ONE EVER QUOTES John 6: 47-58

47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

48 I am the bread of life.

49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.

50 This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.

51 I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”

53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in
yourselves.

54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

Yeshua is the water of life. His Holy Spirit baptized us when He indwells us.

If emersion saves,it doesn't, those in dry lands are damned.

 

[Beebster]

Everything I said was 100% sound.

No it was not. Anyone with an unbiased opinion and a 5th grade education, could follow the context of our conversation and realize that your words were not sound, Good grief!

In post #47 I greeted you:

Hello GracePeace

Thinking, maybe we could have a civil conversation.

I went on to state my position and then said:

AND YET we must all be circumcised, both male and female, if we are to be in Christ.

Thinking you would pick up on that; you didn't.

And in return I received no salutation, but a list of facts according to you.

The first two I agreed with but the the third one being:

3. Nowhere in Scripture, at any time at all, are women, under any circumstances, commanded to be circumcised.

And I think we can all understand what “AT ANY TIME AT ALL” means.

It means “never.”

I then went on to prove that “AT ANY TIME AT ALL” was incorrect, EMPHASIZING so that just maybe bro.tan would see the truth (Not everything is about your pride GracePeace).

But did you at any time think that just maybe you and I could have worked together to bring bro.tan to the truth or were you too worried that maybe your “AT ANY TIME AT ALL” statement was incorrect and that you now had to dig yourself out of a pit you dug?

I think your pride got in the way and you started digging your way out:

In the context of this conversation (ie, @bro.tan saying we must be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses, and thr "circumcision" in Galatians 5), "circumcision" referred to physical circumcision.

At this point I decided to take the high road allowing you to “save face,” as they say, stating:

Fair enough, then we are in agreement here?

And you said:

So far, it seems you and I are.

But you couldn’t just stop there could you?

No, you let your pride get in the way and you just had to get haughty:

Not sure why you even chimed in to agree by sounding as if you were disagreeing (unless you sincerely didn't understand the issue being addressed in the conversation--which I'd find hard to believe).

And then I told you your words were not sound.

After that you went on quite the rant. I must have really hurt your pride.

You should learn to swallow that else Christ will burn it out:

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, WOOD, HAY, STUBBLE (PRIDE among other faults);
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is (including pride).
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned (such as pride), he shall suffer loss (which is ok, you’ll learn humility): but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1Cor 3:12-15)

And whosoever shall EXALT HIMSELF shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. (Mat 23:12)

It’s Okay to humble yourself; you don’t know everything; and niether do I.

 

[GracePeace]

No it was not. Anyone with an unbiased opinion and a 5th grade education, could follow the context of our conversation and realize that your words were not sound, Good grief!

In post #47 I greeted you:



Thinking, maybe we could have a civil conversation.

I went on to state my position and then said:



Thinking you would pick up on that; you didn't.

And in return I received no salutation, but a list of facts according to you.

The first two I agreed with but the the third one being:

And I think we can all understand what “AT ANY TIME AT ALL” means.

It means “never.”

I then went on to prove that “AT ANY TIME AT ALL” was incorrect, EMPHASIZING so that just maybe bro.tan would see the truth (Not everything is about your pride GracePeace).

Buy did you at any time think that just maybe you and I could have worked together to bring bro.tan to the truth or were you too worried that maybe your “AT ANY TIME AT ALL” statement was incorrect and that you now had to dig yourself out of a pit you dug?

I think your pride got in the way and you started digging your way out:



At this point I decided to take the high road allowing you to “save face,” as they say, stating:



And you said:


But you couldn’t just stop there could you?

No, you let your pride get in the way and you just had to get haughty:



And then I told you your words were not sound.

After that you went on quite the rant. I must have really hurt your pride.

You should learn to swallow that else Christ will burn it out:

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, WOOD, HAY, STUBBLE (PRIDE among other faults);
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is (including pride).
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned (such as pride), he shall suffer loss (which is ok, you’ll learn humility): but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1Cor 3:12-15)

And whosoever shall EXALT HIMSELF shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. (Mat 23:12)

You chose to ignore the context of the conversation to find fault where there was no fault.

It’s Okay to humble yourself; you don’t know everything; and niether do I.

Take your own advice.

 

[Beebster]

AND SO THE RANT BEGINS:

Again, I said everything perfectly well--as for yourself, you imported a different circumcision that wasn't being discussed in order to baselessly find fault with what I was saying, which shows you are dishonestand have evil motives and intentions here on this forum.

Of course, you’re perfect. Maybe you should meditate on Ezekiel chapter 28.

No, the fault was obvious.

When I said:

AND YET we must all be circumcised, both male and female, if we are to be in Christ.

You just knew in your heart you were going to prove that Beebster guy wrong.

It’s quite clear who is being dishonest here.

AND THE RANT GOES ON:

My intention was obviously not to say "I will present the exact grammar of Paul's statements found in Gal 5--here you can see he uses the word 'anyone'", only that the doctrine that Paul put forth condemns what bro.tan was saying.

Then maybe you should have quoted Paul instead of paraphrasing to simply degrade your brother in Christ.

More Ranting:

I'm sure you already know this, and, yet, you decided to "correct" what was perfectly sound by fault finding where there was not fault to find. Again, since your entire "schtick" is dishonesty, you are not here with good intentions.

Again, Oh King of Tyrus, you are perfect.

AND MORE RANTING:

In the context of the conversation, where bro.tan is promulgating the heresy that Christians are to serve by Torah and be circumcised, yes, it is perfectly fine to state that he is teaching contrary to sound doctrine which says anyone who is under Torah and is circumcised in connection to being under Torahis cut off from Christ.

It’s not a heretical view; it’s how God wants it. We must all be under the law before we are to come to Christ. Apparently it makes you feel superior to preach that.

The reality of the matter is that you are only looking for someone to correct to boast about having corrected someone. You are not in good faith in this conversation, and I imagine you behave the same way in other contexts--having a high opinion of yourself, thus self-promoting, looking to build yourself up, not looking to build others up.

No the reality is that I thought maybe you and I could have had a civil conversation showing Bro.tan the truth but your pride got in the way. You couldn’t even say “Hello.”

Basically a Pharisee.

No, I’ll show you Pharisees in a moment.

AND THE RANTING GOES ON AND ON. (I must have really hurt your pride):

Have you noticed there to be all these "new members" that take issue with you immediately?

I just noticed that, as well--the guy just joined, and is spouting all kinds of nonsense, like Universalism.

The guy just got here, and has already disqualified himself by consistently being underhanded and dishonest in his approach to conversing, because he wants to "correct" someone out of carnal desire, to be above by placing someone beneath, not because he wants to actually help anyone, build others up--he literally faulted me for defending against bro.tan's heretical view that Christians are under Torah! He just got here and already he has given me a reason not to like him at all. He is bad news. I guess when you are insane enough to adopt views like Universalism, "anything goes".

I guess when you are insane enough to adopt views like Universalism, "anything goes".

And now I’m underhanded, dishonest, and insane.

Interestingly enough I’ve cited about 15 witnesses proving that Christ will save all of humanity and not one of you so called Christians can prove otherwise. Oh you call the messenger insane, unstudied, clueless, blind, dishonestand and illiterate but not one of you heretics has proven that doctrine wrong.

And now, as I said before, I'll show you who the Paharisees are:

You as a "new" member address a sister in Christ like that

Have you noticed there to be all these "new members" that take issue with you immediately?

Yep... most likely the same person.

I just noticed that, as well--the guy just joined, and is spouting all kinds of nonsense, like Universalism.

The guy just got here,

He just got here and already he has given me a reason not to like him at all. He is bad news.

Gosh, if only I'd been on this forum as long as you have.

WOE UNTO YOU, Pharisees! for ye love the UPPERMOST seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. (Luk_11:43)

We all know what happened to the new guy 2000 years ago:

He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (Joh 1:11)

And his Church (along with the rest of humanity) crucified him!!!!!!

 

[GracePeace]

AND SO THE RANT BEGINS:


Of course, you’re perfect. Maybe you should meditate on Ezekiel chapter 28.

No, the fault was obvious.

When I said:



You just knew in your heart you were going to prove that Beebster guy wrong.

It’s quite clear who is being dishonest here.

AND THE RANT GOES ON:


Then maybe you should have quoted Paul instead of paraphrasing to simply degrade your brother in Christ.

More Ranting:


Again, Oh King of Tyrus, you are perfect.

AND MORE RANTING:


It’s not a heretical view; it’s how God wants it. We must all be under the law before we are to come to Christ. Apparently it makes you feel superior to preach that.

No the reality is that I thought maybe you and I could have had a civil conversation showing Bro.tan the truth but your pride got in the way. You couldn’t even say “Hello.”


No, I’ll show you Pharisees in a moment.

AND THE RANTING GOES ON AND ON. (I must have really hurt your pride):


And now I’m underhanded, dishonest, and insane.

Interestingly enough I’ve cited about 15 witnesses proving that Christ will save all of humanity and not one of you so called Christians can prove otherwise. Oh you call the messenger insane, unstudied, clueless, blind, dishonestand and illiterate but not one of you heretics has proven that doctrine wrong.

And now, as I said before, I'll show you who the Paharisees are:



Gosh, if only I'd been on this forum as long as you have.

WOE UNTO YOU, Pharisees! for ye love the UPPERMOST seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. (Luk_11:43)

We all know what happened to the new guy 2000 years ago:

He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (Joh 1:11)

And his Church (along with the rest of humanity) crucified him!!!!!!

I guess it hurts that you are being denied your desire to be above someone by correcting them.

You were either incapable of understanding, or else could have but did not understand , or else did understand but pretended not to understand the context of the conversation you involved yourself in.

Not my problem.

I stand by what I said: Gentile Christian men are not required to be physically circumcised or obey the Law of Moses, and, no, no woman was ever, under any circumstances, subjected to physical circumcision in Scripture. You opted to ignore that context, and bring in a completely different definition of circumcision, starting a completely different conversation, just to say something that made someone else appear wrong (when, in context, they weren't).
All you did was reveal your own selfish heart. You go around looking for an opportunity to prove someone wrong, such that you will even deceptively maneuver the conversation to get to that end--you are boastful, self promoting, and not looking for others to be built up.

 

[GracePeace]

AND SO THE RANT BEGINS:


Of course, you’re perfect. Maybe you should meditate on Ezekiel chapter 28.

No, the fault was obvious.

When I said:



You just knew in your heart you were going to prove that Beebster guy wrong.

It’s quite clear who is being dishonest here.

AND THE RANT GOES ON:


Then maybe you should have quoted Paul instead of paraphrasing to simply degrade your brother in Christ.

More Ranting:


Again, Oh King of Tyrus, you are perfect.

AND MORE RANTING:


It’s not a heretical view; it’s how God wants it. We must all be under the law before we are to come to Christ. Apparently it makes you feel superior to preach that.

No the reality is that I thought maybe you and I could have had a civil conversation showing Bro.tan the truth but your pride got in the way. You couldn’t even say “Hello.”


No, I’ll show you Pharisees in a moment.

AND THE RANTING GOES ON AND ON. (I must have really hurt your pride):


And now I’m underhanded, dishonest, and insane.

Interestingly enough I’ve cited about 15 witnesses proving that Christ will save all of humanity and not one of you so called Christians can prove otherwise. Oh you call the messenger insane, unstudied, clueless, blind, dishonestand and illiterate but not one of you heretics has proven that doctrine wrong.

And now, as I said before, I'll show you who the Paharisees are:



Gosh, if only I'd been on this forum as long as you have.

WOE UNTO YOU, Pharisees! for ye love the UPPERMOST seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. (Luk_11:43)

We all know what happened to the new guy 2000 years ago:

He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (Joh 1:11)

And his Church (along with the rest of humanity) crucified him!!!!!!

When you mentioned women needing circumcision, because I was suspecting that bro.tan (who says Christians must follow the Torah and be physically circumcised) was African, and because it sounded like you were siding with him in that conversation I was involved in with him, it immediately brought to mind the grotesque and horrific practice of female genital mutilation, which they term "female circumcision", which not a few Africans practice. I still had my mind engaged in a completely different conversation, unaware of the new conversation you were rudely trying to sneak in.

 

[Beebster]

One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses,or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. (Deut 19:15)

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (Mat 18:16)

One thing I try very hard to do when proving a point, is to back up my statements with a minimum of two scriptures that witness to what it is I’m stating.

Many people like to quote one verse such as, for example:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mk. 16:16)

-then offer an unscriptural opinion something like this: There you have it. If you don’t believe and be baptized then you’re going to hell.

That, simply put, is a false witness.

Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death; (Mat 26:59)

For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. (1 Cor 15:19)

And I persecuted this way UNTO THE DEATH, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. (Acts 22:4)

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, YE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME. (Mat 25:40)

If we are not careful with our words, we will continually persecute Christ.

Now here are two witnesses telling us that the Word of God is Spirit:

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: (Eph 6:17)

And four more that witness right along with them:

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Mat 24:35)

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Mar 13:31)

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Luk 21:33)

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever (for the eons). And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. (1 Pet 1:25)

Now why do these words never pass away; why do they endure for the eons? Because, “ they are spirit and they are life.”

Not too many believers look at scripture this way; to most they’re just words written on paper.

The Word of God is SPIRIT and the only way a person will ever have any understanding of that Word is through Spirit.

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (John 14:23)

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit), whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)

For those that love to keep things in context, well, those words don’t apply. To those of us that see these words as spirit, we know where our learning comes from:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor 2:14)

One can read tons of books on religion, earn several degrees in theology, preach and teach for a living, but unless Christ comes into your heart and heals you, you will struggle with the Word of God and remain blind as a spiritual bat.

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (Mat 3:15)

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (John 12:40)

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen 3:19)

Those words are SPIRIT and they apply to you and I as well as the rest of humanity. “(T)his people's heart” and “they should see” and “then should not see” and “their eyes and their ears” and “their heart” and “heal them” is all of us. (my words shall not pass away.) Luk 21:33

Too many folks leave these words on paper (in context) thereby nullifying the spiritual message.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be SPIRITUALLY MINDED is life and peace. (Rom 8:6)

That’s right, if we can’t see that these words are alive and pertain to us right now as in "my words shall not pass away” then we can consider ourselves dead.

Once Christ comes into our hearts and heals us, we can begin to understand just how spiritual these words are. It is then that we can try the spirits:

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many (many are called Mat 20:16) false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)

In other words “try the words”

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:11)

All scripture is proven by other scripture:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Pet 1:20)

We need to stop comparing the Word of God with Dr. So-and-So’s opinion; we must compare the Word of God with the Word of God:

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) teacheth; comparing SPIRITUAL things with SPIRITUAL. (1 Cor 2:13) the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT- (John 6:63)

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words (rhema), hath one that judgeth him: the word (logos) that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (John 12:48) (-and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.) Rev 20:12

When you are shown witness upon witness proving that all of humanity will be saved (see post #34), it is foolish to try proving that a place of eternal torture or torment exists; or even to state that God will annihilate or separate himself from his creation forever.

It’s better to embrace the truth of salvation and pray that God will open your eyes to just how evil this “doctrine of hell” really is.

God Bless.

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[bro.tan]

Mark 16:16 does not say he that IS NOT baptised shall be damned.

Funny that so many people jump to this addon verse that was NOT in the original writing
of Mark.

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

If don't want to get baptize then that's your choice.

The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference

Scholars agree the Gospel of Mark is the earliest–by several decades, which has profound implications for our understanding of the “Jesus story”

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference​

This original ending of Mark was viewed by later Christians as so deficient that not only was Mark placed second in order in the New Testament, but various endings were added by editors and copyists in some manuscripts to try to remedy things. The longest concocted ending, which became Mark 16:9-19, became so treasured that it was included in the King James Version of the Bible, favored for the past 500 years by Protestants, as well as translations of the Latin Vulgate, used by Catholics. This meant that for countless millions of Christians it became sacred scripture–but it is patently bogus.



Yet Jesus said to baptise in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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BUT NO ONE EVER QUOTES John 6: 47-58

47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

48 I am the bread of life.

49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.

50 This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.

51 I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”

53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in
yourselves.

54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

I agree

 

[bro.tan]

1. When Jesus does that with one law (eg, Vows), how do you know you're actually doing God's will in the case of another law? Only if you know Jesus do you know what God wants from you.

2. The Gentile believers who don't have or know the Law were deemed "doers of the Law" by dint of the law being written on their hearts, which is the promise of the New Covenant (Ro 2:6-16).

How did that happen if your view is correct--if Christians need to know the Law to know God's will and do it?

In my view, "God's righteousness is revealed apart from the Law" (Ro 3:21), "from faith to faith" (Ro 1:17), so that the "one law" (Ex 12:49) for both Jewish and Gentile Christians is "let each man be fully convinced in his own mind" (Ro 14:5), and "anything that does not proceed from faith is sin" (Ro 14:23).

Yes, you're completely lost.

Nope, he mentions the fact they're observing days and months and seasons and years (Gal 4:10), so the issue was being "under Law" (Gal 4:21), which comes as a package.

The issue is WHOSE righteousness. Walking is faith, serving others through love, is God's righteousness He works in the heart, but your own righteousness is from being under Law--Paul didn't want a righteousness of his own from the Law (Php 3:9), but was "dead to the Law" (Gal 2:19), and counseled other Jewish Christians to think the same way (Ro 7:1-6). When a person reveals their own righteousness by the knowledge of good and evil (eg, the Law), they reveal themselves, and they boast in their flesh, which is sin that is condemnable (the person needs correction); when a person knows God, and obeys God, what they reveal is their knowledge of God, which is righteousness that is justifiable (the person doesn't need correction).

What killed Adam? The knowledge of good and evil. The Law is the knowledge of good and evil. It will lead to death, not spiritual life--the curse, not the blessing of Abraham, the Holy Spirit, eternal life (Gal 3). Jesus became accursed without warrant to absorb our curse we warranted.

Thank you for responding.....peace in Jesus name

 

[strepho]

Hell and lane of fire are both separate.

Hell is called sheol in Hebrew. It's holding place for the spirtualty dead or wicked.
Luke chapter 16 to document.

Lake of fire. To be blotted out. Wicked are perish.
Documentation.
Psalm chapter 37
Revelation chapter 20

Easy to understand.

 

[Beebster]

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to THEIR works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to THEIR works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was CAST into the lake of fire. (Rev 20:12-15)

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1 Cor 3:13-15)

Peace.

 

[Beebster]

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD. (1 John 2:2)

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? (Isa 53:1)

Peace

 

[JunChosen]

"Hell was created for the devil and his angels"... before Adam was created.

People often accuse God of "sending people to Hell", but that is not the correct understanding.. The correct understanding is that God offers to accept your Faith in Christ as the "WAY" to be reconciled to God,...JOHN 14:6... John 3:16.... and if a person wont have it and they die, then they end up where those who are never born again, (Christ rejectors) all end up.

People die because they are sinners and not because they have never been born again. Salvation is of God.
John 3:16 is the most quoted verse in the world but is also the most misunderstood.

Get your eternity settled right now... and then you can rest assured from now on... that after you die, you will meet God as your FATHER and not as your Eternal JUDGE.
= dont wait.

As I've said, salvation is of God and you can't do anything about it, unless you're one of the elect/chosen.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jack]

People die because they are sinners and not because they have never been born again. Salvation is of God.
John 3:16 is the most quoted verse in the world but is also the most misunderstood.

As I've said, salvation is of God and you can't do anything about it, unless you're one of the elect/chosen.

To God Be The Glory

Matthew 18:5-14
5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

 

[Behold]

John 3:16 is the most quoted verse in the world but is also the most misunderstood.

John 3:16, says that God sent Jesus to us all, so that by Jesus's Sacrifice, we could ALL be forgiven our sin and given eternal life.

That's about as simple as it gets, regarding a bible verse.
Maybe only "God is Love" is more simple..

So, as you are a deceived CALVINIST, its no surprise that a simple and beautiful and profound verse that says that God offers the sacrifice of Jesus to us ALL.........is "confusing".

Im sure you are confused by that verse, as that is what Calvinism does to your MIND. @JunChosen

See you there....

 

[JunChosen]

Matthew 18:5-14
5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

Of a surety, from most of your posts taht I've read, you don't have a clue understanding Bible doctrines and it's interpretations.

You're so adamant that God does not say in Psalms 58:3-ff that babies can be evil, and now you're doing the same wrong exegete with Mathew 18. Go figure!!

For your info, Matthew 18 speaks that we (Christians) ought to have a child-like trust to receive Jesus!!!

To God Be The Glory