Kingdom of God is Within You

[Davy]

In Luke 17 when the Pharisees demanded an asnwer from our Lord Jesus when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus answered this:

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
KJV


The Greek word for "within" there is entos, and means 'inside'. So does that mean God's Kingdom has no literal establishing, that it's just a spiritual idea that exists floating in the ether, with no real substance?

That is exactly what the mystical fraternities believe today.

But that is NOT... the idea our Lord Jesus Christ meant when He said that the Kingdom of God is within you.

The mystical fraternities believe in a type of do-it-yourself type salvation, and that we each can become our own god, and that each must through initiation and spiritual meditation exercises overcome this world, and release the soul from the need of reincarnation again and again, similar to what eastern religion believe what those like Buddah did.

Many of today's mystics think that Christ is not an actual person, but that Christ is a supernatural force in the spirit realm which every person can attune to through mystical exercises, becoming their own Christ. They leave off the name Jesus because they believe Jesus was just a man like us that achieved The Christ by attuning his inner self to this Christ Spirit. They believe all the major religious honchos of history, like Buddha, Mohammed, Krishna, Zoroaster, etc., acheived the Christ Spirit. This is definitely... not what our Lord Jesus Christ meant, nor is The Christ just about a cosmic force.

Our Lord Jesus was pointing to the future resurrection when He said the Kingdom of God is within you. What happens at the resurrection in the future at Jesus' return? Those still alive are changed, at the twinkling of an eye Paul said, on the "last trump", the "spiritual body" being the change. So obviously today, that change has not happened yet, for it will occur on the day of Christ's return.

But the mystic thinks he can make that change without Christ Jesus, and achieve nirvana. Be very careful brethren when you hear others speak that way, thinking the kingdom of God within you means just a spirit thing inside our inner being, because those who practice the occult arts think that very thing, that it's just a spirit thing inside us, and that it can be developed through spiritual exercises, meditation and incense, chanting mantras and ceremonial ritual.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So does that mean God's Kingdom has no literal establishing, that it's just a spiritual idea that exists floating in the ether, with no real substance?

Isaiah 6:11-13
[11] Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, [12] And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land. [13] But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

Revelation 21:9-27
[9] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. [10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, [11] Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; [12] And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: [13] On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. [14] And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [15] And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. [16] And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. [17] And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. [18] And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. [19] And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; [20] The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. [21] And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. [22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. [23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. [24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. [25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. [26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. [27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Davy]

And that Kingdom described in that Revelation scripture will be upon a new earth (meaning a cleansed earth after God destroys man's works off it and begins His re-establishing with Christ Jesus' return).

 

[Helen]

A Kingdom is anywhere, where a King reigns.

 

[Davy]

I can see by this why our Lord Jesus established no physical temple for His Church during this present world. It's likely because of how the orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem are going to bulid another temple for the one coming they think will be their Messiah, when it will be the Antichrist. If Christianity were involved in that, then the Church would be served up to Satan in idol worship and denying Jesus as the one time perfect sacrifice for sin.

 

[Davy]

A Kingdom is anywhere, where a King reigns.

David's throne is still here on earth today. So there is a kingdom here on earth today already, that Jesus is going to come and inherit:

Gen 49:10
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh (Jesus) come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
KJV

That "sceptre" means royal rule. It is to not leave one of Judah all the way up to Christ's second coming.

And that is about Christ's second coming, because that is when the gathering of His Church is to occur, and not before.

That means, the royal sceptre God setup with David's throne is still manifest today, on earth.


But of course, there's so many hidden members of the secret societies within the seminaries and universities today that thinking Christ's Kingdom has no real substance other than just spirit is simply the norm taught in most Churches today. It's kind of like mystic political correctness. And the sheep are blind to it because of listening to the many hirelings hiding behind today's pulpits.

John 10:12-13
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
KJV

 

[forrestcupp]

I think the issue is that there is a lack of understanding that there is a difference between the Kingdom of God/Heaven and that place that we call heaven, as described in Revelation and other places in the Bible. ByGrace is right on. A kingdom is a domain or region in which a king reigns. Jesus reigns over His people. The kingdom isn't a location, but it is made up of the people who are His subordinates...us. The Kingdom is within us because the King is within us. God holds His kingdom in the palm of His hand, and He is within us.

Colossians 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

1 John 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

That doesn't mean paradise doesn't still exist. Jesus is still going to return and set up His kingdom on the earth. We'll still experience the New Heaven and New Earth. But the Kingdom is within us because God is within us. We have a much greater capacity than we truly believe, not of our own ability, but of God's ability within us.

 

[twinc]

I think the issue is that there is a lack of understanding that there is a difference between the Kingdom of God/Heaven and that place that we call heaven, as described in Revelation and other places in the Bible. ByGrace is right on. A kingdom is a domain or region in which a king reigns. Jesus reigns over His people. The kingdom isn't a location, but it is made up of the people who are His subordinates...us. The Kingdom is within us because the King is within us. God holds His kingdom in the palm of His hand, and He is within us.

Colossians 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

1 John 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

That doesn't mean paradise doesn't still exist. Jesus is still going to return and set up His kingdom on the earth. We'll still experience the New Heaven and New Earth. But the Kingdom is within us because God is within us. We have a much greater capacity than we truly believe, not of our own ability, but of God's ability within us.

hold the horses - be still, be still, be still and know that there is nowhere or anywhere or any place outside of mind nor can there be - so when the body and the physical/material is no more that which is within will be clearly seen as the present hidden reality imho - twinc

 

[tigger 2]

“The Kingdom of God is within you”?

(KJV) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

............................................................

(NASB) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, `Look, here it is!' or, `There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

(RSV) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, "Lo, here it is!' or "There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

(NEB)* Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

* “... or ‘for in fact the Kingdom of God is within your grasp’” - NEB f.n.

(NRSV) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(REB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NAB - '91) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(JB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NJB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(CEV) Luke 17:21 There is no use saying, "Look! Here it is' or "Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

(Rotherham) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say--Lo, here! or, There. For lo! the kingdom of God, is, among you.

(BBE) Luke 17:21 And men will not say, See, it is here! or, There! for the kingdom of God is among you.

(Holman NT) Luke 17:21 no one will say, Look here!’ or There!’ For you see, the kingdom of God is among you."

(ISV NT) Luke 17:21 People won't say, 'Look! Here it is!' or "There it is!' For the kingdom of God is among you."

(Darby) Luke 17:21 nor shall they say, Lo here, or, Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.

(MKJV [Green]) Luke 17:21 Nor shall they say, Lo here! or, behold, there! For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.

(Also The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Vol. 3, p. 844: "For with the appearance of Jesus, the kingdom of God has come among men (Lk. 17:21)."


And The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology also says of this verse: "Luke records: Being asked by the Phariseees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, ' The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor indeed will they say, "Lo, here it is!" or "There!" for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you'" - Vol. 2, p. 921, Zondervan, 1986.

The NT Greek word entos may be translated as either 'inside' or 'among.' The passage in Luke 17:21 is spoken to a group, so "among" is a distinct possibility. Add to that the fact that Jesus was speaking to a group which he regularly condemned, and we can see that the Kingdom of God certainly would not have been "within" them!

 

[twinc]

“The Kingdom of God is within you”?

(KJV) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

............................................................

(NASB) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, `Look, here it is!' or, `There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

(RSV) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, "Lo, here it is!' or "There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

(NEB)* Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

* “... or ‘for in fact the Kingdom of God is within your grasp’” - NEB f.n.

(NRSV) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(REB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NAB - '91) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(JB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NJB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(CEV) Luke 17:21 There is no use saying, "Look! Here it is' or "Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

(Rotherham) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say--Lo, here! or, There. For lo! the kingdom of God, is, among you.

(BBE) Luke 17:21 And men will not say, See, it is here! or, There! for the kingdom of God is among you.

(Holman NT) Luke 17:21 no one will say, Look here!’ or There!’ For you see, the kingdom of God is among you."

(ISV NT) Luke 17:21 People won't say, 'Look! Here it is!' or "There it is!' For the kingdom of God is among you."

(Darby) Luke 17:21 nor shall they say, Lo here, or, Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.

(MKJV [Green]) Luke 17:21 Nor shall they say, Lo here! or, behold, there! For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.

(Also The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Vol. 3, p. 844: "For with the appearance of Jesus, the kingdom of God has come among men (Lk. 17:21)."


And The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology also says of this verse: "Luke records: Being asked by the Phariseees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, ' The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor indeed will they say, "Lo, here it is!" or "There!" for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you'" - Vol. 2, p. 921, Zondervan, 1986.

The NT Greek word entos may be translated as either 'inside' or 'among.' The passage in Luke 17:21 is spoken to a group, so "among" is a distinct possibility. Add to that the fact that Jesus was speaking to a group which he regularly condemned, and we can see that the Kingdom of God certainly would not have been "within" them!

just you try and convince those charismatics and born again Christians that they are not indwelt by the Holy Spirit - twinc

 

[Pipiripi]

In Luke 17 when the Pharisees demanded an asnwer from our Lord Jesus when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus answered this:

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
KJV


The Greek word for "within" there is entos, and means 'inside'. So does that mean God's Kingdom has no literal establishing, that it's just a spiritual idea that exists floating in the ether, with no real substance?

That is exactly what the mystical fraternities believe today.

But that is NOT... the idea our Lord Jesus Christ meant when He said that the Kingdom of God is within you.

The mystical fraternities believe in a type of do-it-yourself type salvation, and that we each can become our own god, and that each must through initiation and spiritual meditation exercises overcome this world, and release the soul from the need of reincarnation again and again, similar to what eastern religion believe what those like Buddah did.

Many of today's mystics think that Christ is not an actual person, but that Christ is a supernatural force in the spirit realm which every person can attune to through mystical exercises, becoming their own Christ. They leave off the name Jesus because they believe Jesus was just a man like us that achieved The Christ by attuning his inner self to this Christ Spirit. They believe all the major religious honchos of history, like Buddha, Mohammed, Krishna, Zoroaster, etc., acheived the Christ Spirit. This is definitely... not what our Lord Jesus Christ meant, nor is The Christ just about a cosmic force.

Our Lord Jesus was pointing to the future resurrection when He said the Kingdom of God is within you. What happens at the resurrection in the future at Jesus' return? Those still alive are changed, at the twinkling of an eye Paul said, on the "last trump", the "spiritual body" being the change. So obviously today, that change has not happened yet, for it will occur on the day of Christ's return.

But the mystic thinks he can make that change without Christ Jesus, and achieve nirvana. Be very careful brethren when you hear others speak that way, thinking the kingdom of God within you means just a spirit thing inside our inner being, because those who practice the occult arts think that very thing, that it's just a spirit thing inside us, and that it can be developed through spiritual exercises, meditation and incense, chanting mantras and ceremonial ritual.

YES, it is spiritual because all true Christians are now Spiritual Israel. We are the seed of JESUS.

 

[forrestcupp]

“The Kingdom of God is within you”?

(KJV) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

............................................................

(NASB) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, `Look, here it is!' or, `There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

(RSV) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, "Lo, here it is!' or "There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

(NEB)* Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

* “... or ‘for in fact the Kingdom of God is within your grasp’” - NEB f.n.

(NRSV) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(REB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NAB - '91) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(JB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NJB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(CEV) Luke 17:21 There is no use saying, "Look! Here it is' or "Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

(Rotherham) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say--Lo, here! or, There. For lo! the kingdom of God, is, among you.

(BBE) Luke 17:21 And men will not say, See, it is here! or, There! for the kingdom of God is among you.

(Holman NT) Luke 17:21 no one will say, Look here!’ or There!’ For you see, the kingdom of God is among you."

(ISV NT) Luke 17:21 People won't say, 'Look! Here it is!' or "There it is!' For the kingdom of God is among you."

(Darby) Luke 17:21 nor shall they say, Lo here, or, Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.

(MKJV [Green]) Luke 17:21 Nor shall they say, Lo here! or, behold, there! For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.

(Also The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Vol. 3, p. 844: "For with the appearance of Jesus, the kingdom of God has come among men (Lk. 17:21)."


And The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology also says of this verse: "Luke records: Being asked by the Phariseees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, ' The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor indeed will they say, "Lo, here it is!" or "There!" for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you'" - Vol. 2, p. 921, Zondervan, 1986.

The NT Greek word entos may be translated as either 'inside' or 'among.' The passage in Luke 17:21 is spoken to a group, so "among" is a distinct possibility. Add to that the fact that Jesus was speaking to a group which he regularly condemned, and we can see that the Kingdom of God certainly would not have been "within" them!

From everything I've seen, the Greek word entos leans heavier towards meaning "inside" than "among." That word is only used one other time in the NT when Jesus is talking about cleaning the inside of a cup. Its root word is en, which basically means residing in a place, as opposed to eis, which speaks of the action or motion of moving into a place.

There is no question, scripturally, that Christ is within a child of God through His Holy Spirit. But having said that, its true that there is a spiritual realm all around us. But then you go back to the difference between that and the "Kingdom," and we're back to discussing the fact that "kingdom" means a domain in which a king rules. His Kingdom is made up of a bunch of people who have chosen to make Jesus their Lord.

 

[DPMartin]

the OP is a true example of this
Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

because the OP this isn't true also:

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


how can the Word made flesh be in Heaven yet the yahoos that continue to see only the flesh where not?

actually the KJV is consistent with the rest of scripture. though sure one could say amongst them but my friends in what form?

and the Word of God was amongst them also and Jesus saying the Father was in Him and with Him and He in the Father that would also mean amongst them He was speaking to. thing is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the Presence of God within because one has received the same Life Jesus has that He says is, Father was in Him and with Him and He in the Father. and we all know while Jesus walked in the Son of man in the flesh He always referred to His Father that is in Heaven. so if you want to call Jesus a liar, go for it. therefore it is true that the Kingdom of God is within Jesus when He walked with them He spoke to, therefore within Him and amongst them who were not born again.




incase you ain't gettin it, where ever the Presence of God is, is the Kingdom of Heaven. and in the case of the born again it is within them and if they be where you are, then amongst you. so either translation tells the truth, unlike the OP.

 

[Pipiripi]

From everything I've seen, the Greek word entos leans heavier towards meaning "inside" than "among." That word is only used one other time in the NT when Jesus is talking about cleaning the inside of a cup. Its root word is en, which basically means residing in a place, as opposed to eis, which speaks of the action or motion of moving into a place.

There is no question, scripturally, that Christ is within a child of God through His Holy Spirit. But having said that, its true that there is a spiritual realm all around us. But then you go back to the difference between that and the "Kingdom," and we're back to discussing the fact that "kingdom" means a domain in which a king rules. His Kingdom is made up of a bunch of people who have chosen to make Jesus their Lord.

My friend it isn't that we have choosen. God has called us.

 

[forrestcupp]

My friend it isn't that we have choosen. God has called us.

Right. He calls, and then we have a choice as to whether we heed that call or not.

 

[Pipiripi]

Right sir, We all are already by the enemy side. The call of God who can free us, from or sin.

 

[Davy]

I think the issue is that there is a lack of understanding that there is a difference between the Kingdom of God/Heaven and that place that we call heaven, as described in Revelation and other places in the Bible. ByGrace is right on. A kingdom is a domain or region in which a king reigns. Jesus reigns over His people. The kingdom isn't a location, but it is made up of the people who are His subordinates...us. The Kingdom is within us because the King is within us. God holds His kingdom in the palm of His hand, and He is within us.

Colossians 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

1 John 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

That doesn't mean paradise doesn't still exist. Jesus is still going to return and set up His kingdom on the earth. We'll still experience the New Heaven and New Earth. But the Kingdom is within us because God is within us. We have a much greater capacity than we truly believe, not of our own ability, but of God's ability within us.

That is exactly the deception I've been talking about in my earlier posts.

Don't get me wrong. I very much believe our Lord Jesus has already conquered all His enemies by His death and resurrection, especially the devil, even when I say, "Thy Kingdom come" in the prayer He taught us to say (Luke 11). His having conquered already does not mean that His Kingdom is already established here on earth yet. Reason is, because it requires that He is here sitting upon David's throne, in Jerusalem. That is where God's Word says He will return and reign over all nations from. Thus there is a diffrence between His already having conquered compared to all His enemies being made His footstool, the latter event still yet to come.

The word 'kingdom' is made up from two words, 'king' and 'dominion'. So just the origin of that word is enough to show that our Lord Jesus' kingdom is not yet established in this world, because His dominion is not here yet. His dominion does not just involve being over His Church on earth, but over all nations and peoples, including those who still reject Him as God's Promised Savior. This is why in Matthew 25 He showed that when He returns to sit upon the throne of His glory, then will all nations be brought before Him, and He will separate the goats from His sheep.

 

[Davy]

hold the horses - be still, be still, be still and know that there is nowhere or anywhere or any place outside of mind nor can there be - so when the body and the physical/material is no more that which is within will be clearly seen as the present hidden reality imho - twinc

Yet that is what the occult mystic also believes in, a release of their spirit from their flesh body in achieving the state of Nirvanah. But it's not what God's Word teaches.

In 1 Cor.15, Paul did teach that our body of incorruption (flesh) must put on incorruption ("spritual body"), but that's still about a type of body, just not another flesh type body we have today that gets old, sick, and dies, although it will still very much be a body outward likeness like today's flesh body, and will also have substance that can be felt. Our Lord Jesus' transfigured flesh body is the pattern, and after His resurrection He was able to sit and eat fish and honeycomb.

 

[Davy]

“The Kingdom of God is within you”?

(KJV) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

............................................................

(NASB) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, `Look, here it is!' or, `There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

(RSV) Luke 17:21 nor will they say, "Lo, here it is!' or "There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

(NEB)* Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

* “... or ‘for in fact the Kingdom of God is within your grasp’” - NEB f.n.

(NRSV) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(REB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NAB - '91) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(JB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(NJB) Luke 17:21 “... the kingdom of God is among you.”

(CEV) Luke 17:21 There is no use saying, "Look! Here it is' or "Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

(Rotherham) Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say--Lo, here! or, There. For lo! the kingdom of God, is, among you.

(BBE) Luke 17:21 And men will not say, See, it is here! or, There! for the kingdom of God is among you.

(Holman NT) Luke 17:21 no one will say, Look here!’ or There!’ For you see, the kingdom of God is among you."

(ISV NT) Luke 17:21 People won't say, 'Look! Here it is!' or "There it is!' For the kingdom of God is among you."

(Darby) Luke 17:21 nor shall they say, Lo here, or, Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.

(MKJV [Green]) Luke 17:21 Nor shall they say, Lo here! or, behold, there! For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.

(Also The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Vol. 3, p. 844: "For with the appearance of Jesus, the kingdom of God has come among men (Lk. 17:21)."


And The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology also says of this verse: "Luke records: Being asked by the Phariseees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, ' The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor indeed will they say, "Lo, here it is!" or "There!" for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you'" - Vol. 2, p. 921, Zondervan, 1986.

The NT Greek word entos may be translated as either 'inside' or 'among.' The passage in Luke 17:21 is spoken to a group, so "among" is a distinct possibility. Add to that the fact that Jesus was speaking to a group which he regularly condemned, and we can see that the Kingdom of God certainly would not have been "within" them!

The sense I definitely believe our Lord Jesus meant was in regard to God's Promised Salvation through His Son. No other time than our Lord Jesus' first coming to die on the cross would that have been said.

Matt 12:28-29
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
KJV

That in red He clearly meant that the power of His kingdom at His first coming to show the works had then come, but not that His time of kingdom reign had then begun. So that event at His first coming was one type of manifesting, and with His return to sit upon David's throne on earth will be another type of manifesting, His Kingdom in full over all nations.

 

[Davy]

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incase you ain't gettin it, where ever the Presence of God is, is the Kingdom of Heaven. and in the case of the born again it is within them and if they be where you are, then amongst you. so either translation tells the truth, unlike the OP.

In reality, that's one of the mystic ideas I've warned about in my OP.

I very much believe there is a 'change' to our spirit within us when we accept Jesus Christ as The Savior. Apostle Paul called that being made "a new creature" in Christ Jesus. It indeed is by The Holy Spirit. But that is only a manifesting of the Power of God through His Son while we are here during this present world. It is still not His de facto Kingdom which is to manifest at His return involving David's throne.

His Kingdom manifesting at His return is very important. Because of the many prophecies about it in His Word, it means we cannot go about trying to establish His Kingdom for Him, and definitely not without His even being here de facto on earth, an establishing not just with us spiritually, but Him in Person like His Word teaches for the future world to come.