THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT, Part 2 of 2

[jamesdalbright]

THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT
Part 2 of 2

When the Antichrist sees that the earth quakes cause the USA to become defenseless, John saw in Rev 17:12-13 and 16-17 that the ten horns, which are the leaders of the Muslim terrorist organizations that are operating with in the ten nation kingdom, which are those nations that are fighting with Israel, will join with the Antichrist’s seven heads, which are kingdoms and their kings, in the common purpose to defeat the USA.
Rev 17:12 - 13 and 16 - 17… 12 "As for the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 "These have one purpose and they give their power and authority to the beast. 16 "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. 17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

Rev 17:23 tells us that it is the merchants of the USA who are responsible for causing the judgment of the USA.
Rev 17:23 and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.

As you can see the USA is the only country that is capable of fulfilling all of the descriptions found in these scriptures.

After Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great He showed me the following vision to confirm that the insight was from Him and that He wanted me to share this message with His churches. One day when I was sitting at the table writing a letter I suddenly could not keep my eyes open, which I thought was strange because I had just awakened. When I laid down on the couch I saw a vision in which the face of a black man appeared before me, and I as I studied his face I noticed He was surrounded by a loving peace. He then told me to go and tell them, which I knew meant that I was suppose to go and tell the churches and the lost that the USA is Babylon the Great. After I soaked up the peacefulness that surrounded him for a few moments the vision ended. When I got up I said to Jesus that if it was Him who appeared to me, He would have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third. Jesus led me to get dressed and leave my apartment. He took me south of Philadelphia, Pa to a church basement that was being used to take care of handicapped children. I shared a gospel tract with those in charge and then I left. Jesus then led me to a nearby church and after I knocked on the door and asked the receptionist if the Pastor was there and she responded, “you mean Father” I questioned Jesus asking Him if it was He who was leading me, since I knew that we are not suppose to call ourselves father. After I went inside the minister immediately appeared and invited me into his office. While I was sharing with him that we are not suppose to call ourselves father, I was shown that he had the Holy Spirit, but yet, he allowed himself to be called father. I realized that he belonged to Jesus, but some of his teachings were incorrect. He thanked me for the conversation and I left. Then Jesus led me to a church near my apartment and when the Pastor answered the door I was astounded because his face was the same face that the Holy Spirit appeared to me in the vision and then I realized that it was the Holy Spirit who appeared to me and that both the message that the USA is Babylon the Great and that I was supposed to go and to tell God’s people this message was from Jesus.

One day, while I was pondering why I was led to the first two churches before I was led to the church where the Pastor, whose face Jesus appeared to me as, answered the door, I realized that Jesus led me to the first two churches, so that it would be at the third church, where He confirmed that the vision was from Him, because after I saw the vision I said to Him, “if it was you who appeared to me you will have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third.” This realization deepened my experience with Jesus.

One of the reasons that Jesus sent me to share that the USA is Babylon the Great is because Rev 18:4 contains a warning to the believers.
Rev 18:4 states And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins and that you may not receive of her plagues;

This scripture is a warning to the believers, that if they participate in the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing, either directly or indirectly by voting for one of these Socialists, they will receive their plagues. Some of these sins include the Socialist “separation of church and state,” which is a violation of the original intent of separation of church and state, because it is part of their scheme to establish Atheism as the national religion, promiscuity, abortion, pornography, gambling, alcohol, legalizing homosexuality, same sex marriage, transgender, teaching or supporting those that teach evolution in the public schools, colleges, museums, parks or through any of the media outlets, inclusion of no evangelizing in the “no soliciting” signs that you see on the windows of businesses, requiring permits to evangelize with in city limits, supporting the Muslims against Israel, and no evangelistic statements allowed in the work place. These are some of the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing and if you are a believer and are participating in them you will receive their plagues if you don't come out of them.

 

[Illuminator]

Jesus then led me to a nearby church and after I knocked on the door and asked the receptionist if the Pastor was there and she responded, “you mean Father” I questioned Jesus asking Him if it was He who was leading me, since I knew that we are not suppose to call ourselves father. After I went inside the minister immediately appeared and invited me into his office. While I was sharing with him that we are not suppose to call ourselves father, I was shown that he had the Holy Spirit, but yet, he allowed himself to be called father. I realized that he belonged to Jesus, but some of his teachings were incorrect. He thanked me for the conversation and I left.

I. The Elders of the Church are Called “Fathers” and the Faithful “Children”​

Matt. 23:9 – Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.

Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.

1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” Was Paul wrong???

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”

1 Cor. 4:17 – Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.

2 Cor. 12:14 – Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.

Phil. 2:22 – Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 – Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 – Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.

Philemon 10 – Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 – emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 Peter 5:13 – Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”

1 John 2:1,13,14 – John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”

The priest you met was polite and saw the futility in trying to explain all this to you when you are hopelessly fixated on a falsehood. To say we Catholics call priests "God" when addressing them with a biblical title "father" is a whole new level of stupid.

I think you are gifted and can see the evil that is destroying society. And I think you can be a more effective agent of God by escaping from the fundie ghetto that teaches you "call no man father" distortions, along with a long list of lies they teach about the Catholic Church.

 

[covenantee]

I. The Elders of the Church are Called “Fathers” and the Faithful “Children”​

Matt. 23:9 – Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.

Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.

1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” Was Paul wrong???

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”

1 Cor. 4:17 – Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.

2 Cor. 12:14 – Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.

Phil. 2:22 – Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 – Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 – Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.

Philemon 10 – Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 – emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 Peter 5:13 – Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”

1 John 2:1,13,14 – John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”

The priest you met was polite and saw the futility in trying to explain all this to you when you are hopelessly fixated on a falsehood. To say we Catholics call priests "God" when addressing them with a biblical title "father" is a whole new level of stupid.

I think you are gifted and can see the evil that is destroying society. And I think you can be a more effective agent of God by escaping from the fundie ghetto that teaches you "call no man father" distortions, along with a long list of lies they teach about the Catholic Church.

Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses Paul as "father".
Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses Peter as "father".
Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses John as "father".

 

[jamesdalbright]

I. The Elders of the Church are Called “Fathers” and the Faithful “Children”​

Matt. 23:9 – Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.

Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.

1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” Was Paul wrong???

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”

1 Cor. 4:17 – Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.

2 Cor. 12:14 – Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.

Phil. 2:22 – Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 – Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 – Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.

Philemon 10 – Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 – emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 Peter 5:13 – Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”

1 John 2:1,13,14 – John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”

The priest you met was polite and saw the futility in trying to explain all this to you when you are hopelessly fixated on a falsehood. To say we Catholics call priests "God" when addressing them with a biblical title "father" is a whole new level of stupid.

I think you are gifted and can see the evil that is destroying society. And I think you can be a more effective agent of God by escaping from the fundie ghetto that teaches you "call no man father" distortions, along with a long list of lies they teach about the Catholic Church.

The Catholic church is a cult. In place of believing in Jesus to get to heaven they tell their patrons that their sins are forgiven when after they confess their sins to a Priest he pronounces them forgiven. They also teach a second way to be saved in place of believing in Jesus, which is that when they eat the bread and drink the wine administered only by a Catholic Priest their sins are forgiven and they get to go to heaven. The Bible teaches that there is only one way to enter into heaven and that is through genuine belief in Jesus. If you don't believe me that 99% of the Catholics aren't, genuine believers in Jesus, I will tell you how you can tell I am telling you the truth. When the Antichrist emerges on the scene he is going to become the leader of the worldwide anti-Christian movement and when he does this every cult and disingenuous Christian are going to fall away and realign their teachings with the anti-Christian Progressive Communist mores. When this happens the Catholic Church will empty out and some of the Priests, you refer to as Father are going to fulfill the false prophets that will arise at this time to twist the Bible even further in order to justify realigning their beliefs. Only the genuine believers, who because they are genuine believers, have been baptized by Jesus Himself with the Holy Spirit will not fall away.
Matt 24:6 “And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 “ But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. 9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. 10 “And at that time many will fall away and will deliver up one another and hate one another. 11 “And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many.
Here is how you get to heaven.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him. 18 “ He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Illuminator]

The Catholic church is a cult.

a false insult.

In place of believing in Jesus to get to heaven they tell their patrons that their sins are forgiven when after they confess their sins to a Priest he pronounces them forgiven.

another falsehood.

They also teach a second way to be saved in place of believing in Jesus, which is that when they eat the bread and drink the wine administered only by a Catholic Priest their sins are forgiven and they get to go to heaven.

Wrong again.

The Bible teaches that there is only one way to enter into heaven and that is through genuine belief in Jesus. If you don't believe me that 99% of the Catholics aren't, genuine believers in Jesus, I will tell you how you can tell I am telling you the truth.

Well, you haven't told the truth so far.

When the Antichrist emerges on the scene he is going to become the leader of the worldwide anti-Christian movement and when he does this every cult and disingenuous Christian are going to fall away and realign their teachings with the anti-Christian Progressive Communist mores.

Communism has been condemned before you were born.

Divini Redemptoris On Atheistic Communism - Papal Encyclicals

The promise of a Redeemer brightens the first page of the history of mankind, and the confident hope aroused by this promise.

www.papalencyclicals.net

When this happens the Catholic Church will empty out and some of the Priests, you refer to as Father are going to fulfill the false prophets that will arise at this time to twist the Bible even further in order to justify realigning their beliefs. Only the genuine believers, who because they are genuine believers, have been baptized by Jesus Himself with the Holy Spirit will not fall away.

99% of what you have been told or read about the Catholic Church is false, and I think you are too hostile to be reasoned with. You can't receive any reasonable explanations with your hands clenched in fists.

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Everything that is true in your church is found in the Catholic Church. Act like a Christian, humble yourself and do some honest research, and don't be afraid of my signature.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Catholic church is a cult. In place of believing in Jesus to get to heaven they tell their patrons that their sins are forgiven when after they confess their sins to a Priest he pronounces them forgiven.

The Catholic Church carried the Gospel since the 4th Century. Catholic means universal. There is ONE CHURCH, the Body of Christ, composed of believers in Christ. Catholics, Prostestants and Non-Denominational Christian Churches and all who believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose on the third day, those who follow Jesus, have a relationship with Jesus, are in that body.
No denomination is perfect, because man is imperfect and errs. Sure the Catholic Church has flaws, got off track and so God sent men to reform it and correct some of the mistakes. Luther was a Catholic Priest. Most of his 95 Thesis wasong other things. Read it, I was surprised.
BTW, Priests tell the congregants that their sins are forgiven because they are. Jesus forgave our sins, past present and future. We are told to confess our sins to keep us humble and aware that we are still sinners. Ten Hail Mary's won't do anything for anybody, it's a wasted prayer. Mary can't do anything. We pray directly to the Father! But the idea of being sorry that you sinned, and are willing to reveal your sin to others, helps one to change, not do it anymore. Godly sorrow leads a broken person to Christ. And on your knees you pray to God and thank Him for His mercy continously.

The Bible teaches that there is only one way to enter into heaven and that is through genuine belief in Jesus

Absolutely. But if that is all Christianity is , it would be a very short Bible. We are to be obedient. "Belief" carries a heavy weight. We must demonstrate our belief in not just our words but in deeds as well. James says, show me your faith. And that is the fruit of the Holy Spirit. "By their fruit you will know them". And I see fruit in Carholics. Throughout history they have spread the gospel, started missions, orphanages, hospitals, sent God's love. There are 1 billion Catholic believes - you cannot blindly and callously dis ard that.
If there is no fruit, then we are hypocrites, liars. So being water baptized in the name of the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit is a public confession of our faith. It is an act of obedience as well. Water Baptism doesn't save. But the baptism that saves us tye baptism of the Holy Spirit, a spiritual transformation, when we are born again.

They also teach a second way to be saved in place of believing in Jesus, which is that when they eat the bread and drink the wine administered only by a Catholic Priest their sins are forgiven and they get to go to heaven.

Communion doesn't save, it is just a common practice and commandment of Jesus. He said do this whenever you come together in remembrance of Me. So everyone we break bread and drink wine we do it in remembrance of His sacrifice. He is the Bread of Life. We consume His words, they are food for us. His shed blood washes away our sins.
I think all they are teaching is we need to practice Chrisitianity, once we believe. To them, itnis important to get on boarrd woth the program, though salvation comes in a moment, we then begin our long walk with the Lord. Sanctification happens instantly spiritually, but then we still have to deal with our flesh, where sin dwells and that takes a lifetime to get a handle on. We are a work in progress. We don't just go up to the altar on one day, say the sinners prayer and just go on down the same path we were on. A change occurs. If not, your faith questionable.

Oh and btw, I ha e always suspected Islam to be the final Beast with seven heads and ten horns who will soon attack Israel. So Iran, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia ... ( Not sure if the exact ten). But Russia is certainly involved. They have assisted with Iran's nuclear program for decades and have bases in Syria. New alliances have just been formed, between nations that weren't so friendly in the past. Russia and China have been meeting and involving Suadi Arabia and Egypt. I see likely a nuclear war happening very soon in that region. When it does, we should see those Two Witnesses appear in the aftermath.
Think of it, a nuclear war will last about an hour and it will be over, unless it triggers others. And I think they will disable the US somehow, an EMP, or numerous terrorist bombings simutaneously in every major city. ??? They have been letting in 6 million illegals. Even if 1% of them meant us harm, and were part of a Jihad, we are in trouble. The Antichrist is already active and will be revealed to us soon.

 

[Patrick1966]

Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses Paul as "father".
Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses Peter as "father".
Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses John as "father".

Nothing will budge him even slightly from this or ANY position. His love, loyalty, and devotion are to the Pope and the Catholic Church.

 

[jamesdalbright]

The Catholic Church carried the Gospel since the 4th Century. Catholic means universal. There is ONE CHURCH, the Body of Christ, composed of believers in Christ. Catholics, Prostestants and Non-Denominational Christian Churches and all who believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose on the third day, those who follow Jesus, have a relationship with Jesus, are in that body.
No denomination is perfect, because man is imperfect and errs. Sure the Catholic Church has flaws, got off track and so God sent men to reform it and correct some of the mistakes. Luther was a Catholic Priest. Most of his 95 Thesis wasong other things. Read it, I was surprised.
BTW, Priests tell the congregants that their sins are forgiven because they are. Jesus forgave our sins, past present and future. We are told to confess our sins to keep us humble and aware that we are still sinners. Ten Hail Mary's won't do anything for anybody, it's a wasted prayer. Mary can't do anything. We pray directly to the Father! But the idea of being sorry that you sinned, and are willing to reveal your sin to others, helps one to change, not do it anymore. Godly sorrow leads a broken person to Christ. And on your knees you pray to God and thank Him for His mercy continously.

Absolutely. But if that is all Christianity is , it would be a very short Bible. We are to be obedient. "Belief" carries a heavy weight. We must demonstrate our belief in not just our words but in deeds as well. James says, show me your faith. And that is the fruit of the Holy Spirit. "By their fruit you will know them". And I see fruit in Carholics. Throughout history they have spread the gospel, started missions, orphanages, hospitals, sent God's love. There are 1 billion Catholic believes - you cannot blindly and callously dis ard that.
If there is no fruit, then we are hypocrites, liars. So being water baptized in the name of the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit is a public confession of our faith. It is an act of obedience as well. Water Baptism doesn't save. But the baptism that saves us tye baptism of the Holy Spirit, a spiritual transformation, when we are born again.

Communion doesn't save, it is just a common practice and commandment of Jesus. He said do this whenever you come together in remembrance of Me. So everyone we break bread and drink wine we do it in remembrance of His sacrifice. He is the Bread of Life. We consume His words, they are food for us. His shed blood washes away our sins.
I think all they are teaching is we need to practice Chrisitianity, once we believe. To them, itnis important to get on boarrd woth the program, though salvation comes in a moment, we then begin our long walk with the Lord. Sanctification happens instantly spiritually, but then we still have to deal with our flesh, where sin dwells and that takes a lifetime to get a handle on. We are a work in progress. We don't just go up to the altar on one day, say the sinners prayer and just go on down the same path we were on. A change occurs. If not, your faith questionable.

Oh and btw, I ha e always suspected Islam to be the final Beast with seven heads and ten horns who will soon attack Israel. So Iran, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia ... ( Not sure if the exact ten). But Russia is certainly involved. They have assisted with Iran's nuclear program for decades and have bases in Syria. New alliances have just been formed, between nations that weren't so friendly in the past. Russia and China have been meeting and involving Suadi Arabia and Egypt. I see likely a nuclear war happening very soon in that region. When it does, we should see those Two Witnesses appear in the aftermath.
Think of it, a nuclear war will last about an hour and it will be over, unless it triggers others. And I think they will disable the US somehow, an EMP, or numerous terrorist bombings simutaneously in every major city. ??? They have been letting in 6 million illegals. Even if 1% of them meant us harm, and were part of a Jihad, we are in trouble. The Antichrist is already active and will be revealed to us soon.

Cults kill Christians not Christian sects within the body of Christ. The Catholic church does not present the gospel of salvation through Jesus. The present two ways to get to heaven through their cult Priesthood. They don't have communion in remembrance of Jesus, they call their cult ritual the Eucharist through with they claim a person receives the same forgiveness of sins as we believers did when we believed in Jesus. Dumitri Duduman saw a dream of the Antichrist putting a Pope in charge of killing the Christians in the US.
The Antichrist will come out from among the Muslims but he will not adhere to the god of Islam.
Dan. 11:37 “And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all. 38 “But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones, and treasures.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Cults kill Christians not Christian sects within the body of Christ. The Catholic church does not present the gospel of salvation through Jesus. The present two ways to get to heaven through their cult Priesthood. They don't have communion in remembrance of Jesus, they call their cult ritual the Eucharist through with they claim a person receives the same forgiveness of sins as we believers did when we believed in Jesus. Dumitri Duduman saw a dream of the Antichrist putting a Pope in charge of killing the Christians in the US.
The Antichrist will come out from among the Muslims but he will not adhere to the god of Islam.
Dan. 11:37 “And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all. 38 “But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones, and treasures.

I don't know where you get your information - but it's the usual, ignorant, anti-=Catholic vomit I hear from other clueless posters.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach that there are "two ways" to get to Heaven. In fact - 1500 years before your splintered Protestant factions - we were teaching WORLD that there is only ONE way - through Jesus Christ.

We absolute DO celebrate communion in remembrance of Jesus. We simply understand that be "remembrance" - Jesus didn't meant "pretend".

My suggestion for YOU:
Do you're homework before posting this kind of idiocy . . .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Dumitri Duduman saw a dream of the Antichrist putting a Pope in charge of killing the Christians in the US.

You are very judgmental against Catholics, who believe in Christ, that He died for our sins and rose on the third day. Jesus says if you believe in Me you will have life. What more qualifies one to be saved? We must be born again -- a spiritual transformation, not based on works. And faith is a gift so why put all these condemning disqualifiers on their backs? What disqualifies their belief? An empty prayer to Mary or the Saints; a belief that Jesus meant this bread is literally my body and this wine is literally my blood; an infant baptism; or that the Pope is a Vicar of Christ? Did those beliefs disqualfy their belief in Jesus? No. People believe in theistic evolution too (mostly Catholics). Does that disqualify them from salvation? No.
Jesus made it plain and simple, believe in Me, what I said, what I did, Who I am and you will be saved. Yes, Catholics impose this works salvation ethic but that is just to motivate them to practice Christianity. Loving one another is part of being a Christian. We participate, we help others and it is our duty, not that it saves us. We are justified by faith.
So you seem to I be judging their works when we are not saved by works. You can't judge their salvation because Jesus' work accomplished that and gives it as a free gift if they believe and you can't take it away - no one can, not even the person. You don't know their hearts because you can't read minds.
Can you honestly judge 1 billion individuals belief in one fell swoop? Who do YOU think you are, God's prosecuting attorney? Because you are judgmental, you will be judged!
This condemning, merciless, unforgiving grudge you hold impeads your own spiritual growth. Test it. Where is your fruit: kindness, peace, joy, love, faith, hope, gentleness, patience, self control?
Has each of those areas grown in your walk with the Lord?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I. The Elders of the Church are Called “Fathers” and the Faithful “Children”
Matt. 23:9 – Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.”

Rightly so because that is clearly what Jesus indicated.

This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.

You are the one not using exegesis to interpret the text. The text does not indicate what you are saying at all. You are twisting it to say what you want it to say.

This is what Jesus was saying to "the crowds and to His disciples":

Matthew 23:8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.

He wasn't telling them to not call the scribes and Pharisees "Rabbi", "father" or "instructor" ("teacher"), as you are falsely claiming. He was telling them that no one should call them (the people He was talking to) "Rabbi", or "Instructor" since those were titles He was reserving for Himself and He was telling them not to call ANYONE "Father" because that is a title reserved for God the Father. This idea that He was only telling them not to use those titles when referring to the scribes and Pharisees is not there in the text itself. It's very ironic that you would criticize others for not using exegesis when you are the one using eisegesis rather than exegesis to interpret the passage.

Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?”

I don't know about anyone else, but I sure don't.

What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.

Exactly. Because that is what He said.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses Paul as "father".
Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses Peter as "father".
Provide a verbatim quote of any verse in which anyone addresses John as "father".

Asking them to back up their beliefs with scripture is asking too much of them since it can't be done.

 

[dev553344]

I consider the destruction of Babylon to be the ancient Roman city of Pompeii. It was destroyed around the time that Revelation was written.

 

[Illuminator]

You are the one not using exegesis to interpret the text. The text does not indicate what you are saying at all. You are twisting it to say what you want it to say.

You are the one rejecting a literary device called hyperbole. "call no man father" is hyperbole, a literary device Jesus used in other places in the Bible. Literal interpretation of the text leads to eisegesis, the very thing you accuse me of.

This is what Jesus was saying to "the crowds and to His disciples":

Matthew 23:8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.

He wasn't telling them to not call the scribes and Pharisees "Rabbi", "father" or "instructor" ("teacher"), as you are falsely claiming.

I haven't made any false claims. If you think, by calling our priests by the BIBLICAL TITLE of "father", we are calling them "God", it's out of prejudice and phantoms of your own creation, or a mental illness.

He was telling them that no one should call them (the people He was talking to) "Rabbi", or "Instructor" since those were titles He was reserving for Himself and He was telling them not to call ANYONE "Father" because that is a title reserved for God the Father. This idea that He was only telling them not to use those titles when referring to the scribes and Pharisees is not there in the text itself. It's very ironic that you would criticize others for not using exegesis when you are the one using eisegesis rather than exegesis to interpret the passage.

Wrong. Jesus was warning (the people He was talking to) not to uphold rabbis to the level of God. It is totally INSANE for any Catholic to think their priest is God. We commend such people to the nearest psychiatric facility. Your strict literal interpretation doesn't cut it.

 

[Illuminator]

Nothing will budge him even slightly from this or ANY position. His love, loyalty, and devotion are to the Pope and the Catholic Church.

My love, loyalty, and devotion is to Jesus alone, what Pope and the Catholic Church teaches me to do. You have been deceived by anti-Catholic rhetoric.

Asking them to back up their beliefs with scripture is asking too much of them since it can't be done.

See post #2. Some 18+ scriptures are automatically ignored out of blindness.

 

[covenantee]

I answered

See post #2.

See post #3.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are the one rejecting a literary device called hyperbole.

I don't reject that when it's used, but it wasn't used in this case.

"call no man father" is hyperbole, a literary device Jesus used in other places in the Bible. Literal interpretation of the text leads to eisegesis, the very thing you accuse me of.

There is no indication that he was using hyperbole there. You are just making things up as you go along. Jesus was clearly indicating that the title "Father" is sacred and belongs only to God the Father.

I haven't made any false claims. If you think, by calling our priests by the BIBLICAL TITLE of "father", we are calling them "God", it's out of prejudice and phantoms of your own creation, or a mental illness.

LOL. No one is saying you are calling them God, but the problem is that you are not obeying Jesus's command which was to reserve the title "Father" for only God the Father. Your lack of respect for and obedience to the commands Jesus gave is the problem here.

Wrong. Jesus was warning (the people He was talking to) not to uphold rabbis to the level of God. It is totally INSANE for any Catholic to think their priest is God. We commend such people to the nearest psychiatric facility. Your strict literal interpretation doesn't cut it.

You are not even reading the text! Show me in the text itself where Jesus was saying what you are saying here. I showed you what He was saying, but you are too stubborn to accept correction. That's on you.

 

[Truth7t7]

As you can see the USA is the only country that is capable of fulfilling all of the descriptions found in these scriptures.

After Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great He showed me the following vision to confirm that the insight was from Him and that He wanted me to share this message with His churches.

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified
(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[Illuminator]

I don't reject that when it's used, but it wasn't used in this case.

That's your opinion.

There is no indication that he was using hyperbole there. You are just making things up as you go along. Jesus was clearly indicating that the title "Father" is sacred and belongs only to God the Father.

Literary devices don't need indications that they are literary devices. All that is required is a brain. Hyperbole as exaggeration is literally impossible.

LOL. No one is saying you are calling them God, but the problem is that you are not obeying Jesus's command which was to reserve the title "Father" for only God the Father. Your lack of respect for and obedience to the commands Jesus gave is the problem here.

"Father" for only God the Father in terms of worship, not in terms of normal titles used in the Bible. This is precisely where you are dead wrong.
1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” along with 18 other verses in post #2 you seem to be blind to.

We use the figure of speech known as hyperbole or overstatement quite often in ordinary conversation. We overstate what we intend for the sake of emphasis or to make our statement colorful and memorable. Usually, our partner in the conversation immediately detects and unconsciously translates the overstatement. We accept it as a normal component of our communication. "It's raining cats and dogs" or "I told you a million times".

Hyperbole occurs often in the Bible as well, but our detachment from biblical culture and language makes us prone to miss this figure of speech and take it literally instead. As a result, we misunderstand yet another biblical text. We may need help identifying hyperboles and distinguishing them from literal statements of fact.

Some have taken literally the hyperbolic statements of Jesus about gouging out an eye or cutting off a hand (Matt. 5:29-30) or about self-castration (Matt. 19:12), with tragic results. Jesus is using hyperbole to emphasize the importance of resisting sin rather than blaming our transgression on our ability to see and touch or on our power to reproduce.

Taken literally, there should be more one-eyed amputees. Your extreme literalism is probably due to the fundamentalist approach to the Bible, who are as literal as you are.

You are not even reading the text! Show me in the text itself where Jesus was saying what you are saying here. I showed you what He was saying, but you are too stubborn to accept correction. That's on you.

There is plenty of "text" in post #2 you keep running from, and you say I am stubborn?

 

[covenantee]

There is plenty of "text" in post #2 you keep running from, and you say I am stubborn?

There's very little text in post #3, but you haven't yet stopped running from it.