The law of the Sabbath was made for who and for what?

[robert derrick]

It occurs to me, that since the Sabbath was made for man, for a holy day of rest for the body, then it could not have been made a commandment of law for God and His day of rest in the Spirit.

The Sabbath command, like the rest of the law was made for man, not for God. It was made after the law of a carnal commandment, not after the power of an endless life. (Heb 7:16)

When God rested on His 7th day, not man's, He was and is that power of an endless life. He never then turned that power and rest into a law of letters, which would have certainly killed any Spirit of rest, by obedient outward show of the flesh.

Those who command a 'Sabbath' day of bodily rest from work, as a worshipping reflection of God's day of rest are not only in error of the law of God, but are also carnally defiling His rest and power, with fleshy obedience.

God never said His day of rest was made into law written on stone. God said man's day of rest was what was written on stone.

Sabbath is for man's day of rest, and Christ is for God's day of rest with man.

The new creatures in Christ Jesus rest with God and worship in Spirit and in truth, while new Sabbath commandos rest in flesh and worship in error of what they know not.

Sabbath was made law for man's day of bodily rest. There is no law for God's day of rest in the Spirit, neither can there be, because no law can give the rest of God to His people through the flesh.

 

[Robert Gwin]

It occurs to me, that since the Sabbath was made for man, for a holy day of rest for the body, then it could not have been made a commandment of law for God and His day of rest in the Spirit.

The Sabbath command, like the rest of the law was made for man, not for God. It was made after the law of a carnal commandment, not after the power of an endless life. (Heb 7:16)

When God rested on His 7th day, not man's, He was and is that power of an endless life. He never then turned that power and rest into a law of letters, which would have certainly killed any Spirit of rest, by obedient outward show of the flesh.

Those who command a 'Sabbath' day of bodily rest from work, as a worshipping reflection of God's day of rest are not only in error of the law of God, but are also carnally defiling His rest and power, with fleshy obedience.

God never said His day of rest was made into law written on stone. God said man's day of rest was what was written on stone.

Sabbath is for man's day of rest, and Christ is for God's day of rest with man.

The new creatures in Christ Jesus rest with God and worship in Spirit and in truth, while new Sabbath commandos rest in flesh and worship in error of what they know not.

Sabbath was made law for man's day of bodily rest. There is no law for God's day of rest in the Spirit, neither can there be, because no law can give the rest of God to His people through the flesh.

All laws given by God was to His people sir. The Bible was authored by Jehovah, for His witnesses, penned by his witnesses. His covenant was with them alone out of all the nations. The day of rest as you call it was to be used for rest like you said, but it also demonstrated obedience by those who observed it. It was a very serious requirement for God's people as those who violated it was to be put to death. How thankful we can be that it is not a requirement for Christians, as everyone I know including myself would not be here.

 

[robert derrick]

All laws given by God was to His people sir. The Bible was authored by Jehovah, for His witnesses, penned by his witnesses. His covenant was with them alone out of all the nations. The day of rest as you call it was to be used for rest like you said, but it also demonstrated obedience by those who observed it. It was a very serious requirement for God's people as those who violated it was to be put to death. How thankful we can be that it is not a requirement for Christians, as everyone I know including myself would not be here.

Of course we agree, as does any normal Christian.

This post is a rebuttal to the 'Christian' Sabbath commanders. One of their main arguments is that the Sabbath commandment (along with the other 9) is eternally separate from the 'rest of the law' of Moses, and so cannot be changed nor rescinded by God nor man.

As such, the Sabbath command was always in place before the law of Moses, because it came directly from God's own day of rest.

My point is that is false: the Sabbath commandment is not a 'natural' extension of God's day of rest, because it is not written as such, but rather specifically as man's day of rest bodily, along with his beasts of burdens: it has nothing to do with a spiritual day of rest, as was God's.

 

[post]

As such, the Sabbath command was always in place before the law of Moses, because it came directly from God's own day of rest.

My point is that is false: the Sabbath commandment is not a 'natural' extension of God's day of rest, because it is not written as such, but rather specifically as man's day of rest bodily, along with his beasts of burdens: it has nothing to do with a spiritual day of rest, as was God's.

we do not assume that we are commanded to create the moon and the sun and the stars just because God did.
so it's nonsensical to say that because God rested *once* it is implicitly commanded that we ritually commemorate it perpetually.

God & His Christ do not cease working ((John 5:17)).

strictly by what is written, sabbath was specifically given to Israel in conjunction with manna as a test to prove the unfaithfulness of Israel to obey ((Exodus 16)) and explicitly as a sign to Israel that it is the LORD who sanctifies them ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12)).

there is no mention of sabbath in scripture before Exodus 16.
there is no mention of Christ commanding anyone to keep sabbath. there is no mention of the apostles ever requiring anyone to keep sabbath.

the closest we have in the NT is that the believing pharisees wanted to command Gentiles to keep the law of Moses, but it was determined that this was contrary to the Holy Spirit ((Acts 15)), & Paul specifically commanding that we not allow anyone to judge us over sabbaths ((Colossians 2)) and not to judge anyone over considering any day holier than another, or all days alike ((Romans 14)).

 

[post]

we should neither judge anyone for keeping or not keeping sabbath,
nor should we allow anyone to be judged over keeping or not keeping sabbath.

 

[robert derrick]

The Sabbath commandment had nothing to do with God's day of rest: it was not commanded to be a 'spiritual' day of rest.

1. It was a physical day of rest commanded by God for man: it only pertained to man's day of rest. Not God's.

2. God's day of rest is never mentioned in Scripture pertaining to the Sabbath commandment, and so it is not a 'natural outflowing' from His day of rest. The only places that God's rest are mentioned are at creation, and then in Hebrews 4, where Paul proves that day of rest was never fulfilled by the law of Moses with the Sabbath commandment, nor was His rest fulfilled for His people by entering the promised land of milk and honey.

God swore the unbelievers should not enter His rest in Psalms 95, long after the giving of the Sabbath command and taking the land for Israel. They were not forbidden to enter because of not keeping the Sabbath command outwardly. If the Sabbath command had to do at all with god's day of rest, then God could not forbid any entering therein, that were in fact obedience to it outwardly.

God's day of rest is spiritual only, even as His is Spirit. No carnal commandment could ever have anything to do with God's day of rest, even as no such commandment could produce worshipping God in Spirit and in truth.

Paul shows that God's people by faith enters into His rest through Christ Jesus. The Sabbath command was never intended by God to have His people enter into His rest, because no such law could do so. A carnal commandment and law is proven to condemn the transgressor only. It's very weakness is it could never possibly command spiritual renewal nor inward obedience, but only approve or condemn the outward work.

3. Keeping any law or carnal commandment pertaining only to outward obedience is a work in itself. It is a work of the law. It is a work of obedience outwardly by the body. It produces only an outward shadow of better things to come.

The day of rest of God that is fulfilled in Christ is to cease from all such works: For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (4:10)

These works we are to cease are not of the body. They have nothing to do with farming. They are our own works of righteousness, seeking to be justified with God by works of the law: open enmity against salvation by grace through faith.

To reintroduce the carnal commandment of the Sabbath as law of Christ, and so to be mixed in with salvation by grace, is to reject salvation by grace and to fall from grace, even as reintroducing outward circumcision as law of Christ.

It is refusing the gift of God by grace: salvation and eternal life, to remain in bondage to the working of the law of a carnal commandment.

It is the complete rejection of God's day of rest and inner spiritual change and renewal by the Spirit of God: it is the carnal mind imposing itself upon the New Testament of God. It declares that the work of salvation and grace given by Jesus' blood shed on the cross was not sufficient to enter into God's rest by faith.

Sabbath keeping commanders have fallen from grace into carnal-minded obedience of their own works, even as the circumcisers. Neither of them worship God in Spirit and in truth nor are inwardly circumcised, so long as they believe they are fulfilling the work of God by outward obedience to do a carnal commandment.

4. The Sabbath commandment began as a carnal ordinance pertaining to deliverance and worship of God: the 7th day Passover in Egypt.

It did not begin 'naturally' from God's day of rest, but was commanding directly from the Passover day, first called the Sabbath in the wilderness to train the Israelites in the gathering and eating of manna, and then finally written in stone as law of His first covenant.

To keep the Sabbath by commandment compels keeping an outward Passover, which was that great Sabbath day of the year, and so is to completely reject the Passover Lamb of God.

 

[robert derrick]

we do not assume that we are commanded to create the moon and the sun and the stars just because God did.
so it's nonsensical to say that because God rested *once* it is implicitly commanded that we ritually commemorate it perpetually.

God & His Christ do not cease working ((John 5:17)).

strictly by what is written, sabbath was specifically given to Israel in conjunction with manna as a test to prove the unfaithfulness of Israel to obey ((Exodus 16)) and explicitly as a sign to Israel that it is the LORD who sanctifies them ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12)).

there is no mention of sabbath in scripture before Exodus 16.
there is no mention of Christ commanding anyone to keep sabbath. there is no mention of the apostles ever requiring anyone to keep sabbath.

the closest we have in the NT is that the believing pharisees wanted to command Gentiles to keep the law of Moses, but it was determined that this was contrary to the Holy Spirit ((Acts 15)), & Paul specifically commanding that we not allow anyone to judge us over sabbaths ((Colossians 2)) and not to judge anyone over considering any day holier than another, or all days alike ((Romans 14)).

This post is to refute the false claim, that the Sabbath commandment is an eternal commandment separate from the law of Moses, both by preceding it and by continuing beyond it.

As you point out, the 'Sabbath' was never commanded by God, until Exodus to prove His people in the gathering and eating of manna.

What I am showing is that the Sabbath commandment was never given as a fulfillment of God's day of rest for His people in the first place. ANd so their false insistence that Paul is speaking of the Sabbath commandment in Heb 4 is false. They want to translate Sabbath for rest, even as they want to replace our entering into God's rest through Christ, with a carnal commandment.

By such carnal minded enmity with God's rest in Spirit and entering in by grace, they fall from grace with the outward circumcision by commandment.

 

[Iconoclast]

So many errors in this post 6.
I will address them after work.