Slaying Sacred Cows-- examining pet beliefs

[Waiting on him]

Blessings Waiting on him. What worked on the unsuspecting earlier today, does not work here. Intent is easily seen. As I said, take a look, see for yourself.

Matthew 27:50-51,54 KJV
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [54] Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


What’s so hard to understand about they were on a hill far away from the temple.

They were standing there witnessing the crucified Christ. The veil that was rent in the midst of him was theeeee…. Passage to the holiest of holies.

Do you disagree that God was in Jesus?

 

[Waiting on him]

Maybe you can explain to us all how the centurions that were witnessing the crucifixion of Christ. Were able to see what was going on in the temple?

 

[Waiting on him]

It clearly states they saw the things that were done in him

 

[Grailhunter]

There are many benefits to alleging a house of God.

Big business!

alleging claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.
It is not illegal to start another denomination and the proof is in the counting.
And God is not afraid of the truth.
The primary truth is that there are a lot of them, but only one Bible and a lot of them claim to be sola scriptura....but still cannot agree.
My ministry is the Johnny Appleseed of Truth and if everybody devoted their studies to seeking the truth there would be more agreement.

 

[Waiting on him]

alleging claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.
It is not illegal to start another denomination and the proof is in the counting.
And God is not afraid of the truth.
The primary truth is that there are a lot of them, but only one Bible and a lot of them claim to be sola scriptura....but still cannot agree.
My ministry is the Johnny Appleseed of Truth and if everybody devoted their studies to seeking the truth there would be more agreement.

I agree!

 

[Waiting on him]

alleging claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.
It is not illegal to start another denomination and the proof is in the counting.
And God is not afraid of the truth.
The primary truth is that there are a lot of them, but only one Bible and a lot of them claim to be sola scriptura....but still cannot agree.
My ministry is the Johnny Appleseed of Truth and if everybody devoted their studies to seeking the truth there would be more agreement.

Clearly you and Enoch were having a conversation maybe one where his cow has sweeter milk, but I was only seeing you posts as I put him on ignore about 3 years ago. I took him off long enough to see if I could understand what was being said, this was a huge mistake, but If your concerned,,,, I came too my senses weather quickly and put him back where he belongs

 

[Waiting on him]

I’m ok now! I only received a small amount of venom.

 

[Mr E]

Well, what if the temple stated here was the body of Jesus as he told the religious leaders of his day?

The author of Hebrews seems to have concluded that the veil that was rent was the flesh of Christ.

There's no need for a 'what if' in this case. John tells us definitively that when Jesus was talking about the temple being destroyed and rebuilt in three days, he wasn't talking about the temple Herod built, but of his body.

There is the inner man, which is spirit and the outer man, which is flesh. The spirit dwells in houses of flesh. Scripture makes the point many times, that our physical bodies are like tents, or temples or tabernacles, or houses or rooms for the spirit within, or even as simple as the outer garments worn by that spirit within. The physical is no more than a temporary shelter, or covering for the divine nature, which is our true nature. This veil Moses misunderstood and against the commandments of God in Heaven, Moses made a replica/copy which he was not to have done. It represents the separation between a Holy God- who is a Holy Spirit and the sinful flesh of man. It's a dividing line and without wanting to get too deep in the weeds about it all, it impassable except for an intercessor and then only at a rare and appointed time can that intercessor cross beyond that veil to the holy place, which you note is in heaven, not on earth. The earthly is but a copy and a poor one.

These earthly coverings wear out (like a garment) or are torn or 'broken' like clay pots are smashed and the contents are contained no more. The spirit within is naked (laid bare) before God for judgment where nothing is hidden and we are fully exposed before Him. This tearing of the veil is imagery that speaks to what happened when Jesus died and gave up that spirit within that returned to God and stood before Him as all men will. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain-- this is that spirit that was sent to mankind returned to God and judged rightly. You can read all about it beginning in Rev 4 where you see the door to Heaven standing open-- no veil of separation and you can see right into the very throne room-- the most holy place. Rev 5 is where that lamb is judged worthy, for what was accomplished.

But Hebrews is a great place to gain further understanding-- I love how it starts. Tell me if this sounds familiar in the light of Psalm 19--

The Son is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, and he sustains all things by his powerful word, and so when he had accomplished cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

 

[Enoch111]

I have counted over 30,000 Protestant denominations worldwide and thousands more of the non-denominational churches.

PURE BALONEY

 

[Grailhunter]

PURE BALONEY

I have already posted one of the links and anyone that looks at it knows that you are full of it.

 

[ScottA]

Lately, I've been thinking about how there is sin in heaven. (We know this because heaven is where Satan rebelled from.) This challenges the sacred cow I was raised with as 'heaven' is to be desired for it's lack of problems, e.g., I went to Vacation Destination X and it was heaven.

Technically speaking...sin (as with Satan) do not exist in heaven--that is in the presence of God, but are the fallen--thus actually outside of heaven. Meaning, they/we the fallen were even "in Christ" before the foundation of the world for which He came to die for, we fell, and were in need of rescue by the grace of God. As such, we are first "the dead in Christ" with all who were born into the world and died before salvation came; and yet we who were and are born after salvation came, are "the living in Christ", those "apart of the first resurrection" having "passed from death to life" and thus are called "we who are alive and remain" in the world until the times are fulfilled.

Profound. What verse says that?

As truth is revealed "here a little, there a little", pieces are to be found in a variety of places in the scriptures, but this is pretty good:

Hebrews 10:1-10​

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.​

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5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:​

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“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,​

But a body You have prepared for Me.​

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin​

You had no pleasure.​

7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—​

In the volume of the book it is written of Me—​

To do Your will, O God.’ ”​

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.​

 

[ScottA]

All I’m trying to say is Jesus just like everyone proceeding him is born from above. The way I’ve read it is he was born somewhere around maybe 29 ad ?

That being said John testified that he witnessed the light come into the world with this miraculous birth in the first century, so I have to conclude that Gods creation began in the first century with Jesus. After all he is named creator of the worlds in Hebrews.

I understand.

Yet to reconcile all, the scriptures say that Christ was before the foundation of the world, came the first day of creation ("Let there be light", and then in the fulness of time also came in the form of a man, after which He remains the light of the world even until the end.

 

[Waiting on him]

I understand.

Yet to reconcile all, the scriptures say that Christ was before the foundation of the world, came the first day of creation ("Let there be light", and then in the fulness of time also came in the form of a man, after which He remains the light of the world even until the end.

I dont believe there were any sons of God in the Old Testament. I do believe there were sons of men.

In other words in my understanding the Old Testament patriarchs weren’t part of Gods creation?

 

[Grailhunter]

I dont believe there were any sons of God in the Old Testament. I do believe there were sons of men.

In other words in my understanding the Old Testament patriarchs weren’t part of Gods creation?

Of course the words "sons of God" is in the Old Testament.
But the scriptures do not define them.
Their offspring were exceptional.
There were also giants in the land but they were already there when the sons of God arrived.
Three categories of giants....The Emites, the Ammonites, (or Anakites) and the Rephaim.
The Israelites described them as making them feel like grasshoppers compared to them.

 

[Waiting on him]

Of course the words "sons of God" is in the Old Testament.
But the scriptures do not define them.
Their offspring were exceptional.
There were also giants in the land but they were already there when the sons of God arrived.
Three categories of giants....The Emites, the Ammonites, (or Anakites) and the Rephaim.
The Israelites described them as making them feel like grasshoppers compared to them.

This is a reference to Jesus and the first century Christians. Paul even said Jesus gave them the power to become the sons of god.

I think we’ve found another sacred cow.

 

[Grailhunter]

This is a reference to Jesus and the first century Christians. Paul even said Jesus gave them the power to become the sons of god.

I think we’ve found another sacred cow.

Apples and oranges.....still good fruit.
As Christians we are all sons and daughters of God.
But we did not come from Heaven? To impregnate the daughters of men.
And our offspring, although great......still normal.

 

[Waiting on him]

Apples and oranges.....still good fruit.
As Christians we are all sons and daughters of God.
But we did not come from Heaven? To impregnate the daughters of men.
And our offspring, although great......still normal.

When I read Genesis I understand it to be a vision from God given to an Egyptian a sort of shadow of things to come. He then pens his earthly flesh interpretation of what God shows him.

All of Old Testament writings are pointing to Christ reguardless of how abstract they are, but what can we expect?

I believe we need to be very careful that we are not corrupting scripture by repeating fables we have been taught by men.

 

[Wrangler]

Technically speaking...sin (as with Satan) do not exist in heaven

I’ve come to realize Technically speaking...sin (as with Satan) DOES exist in heaven. Where do you think Satan rebelled from when Christ saw him falling?

 

[Grailhunter]

When I read Genesis I understand it to be a vision from God given to an Egyptian a sort of shadow of things to come. He then pens his earthly flesh interpretation of what God shows him.

All of Old Testament writings are pointing to Christ reguardless of how abstract they are, but what can we expect?

I believe we need to be very careful that we are not corrupting scripture by repeating fables we have been taught by men.

That is why we have so many denominations.

 

[Waiting on him]

That is why we have so many denominations.

I don’t know as I’m not a member of a subgroup.