WHERE ARE ALL THE PROTESTANT PEDOPHILES?

[Taken]

The Protestant Pedophiles are buried within almost every single family...
My uncle for one...got to my brothers and all my male cousins.

Then my older brother was "got at" by his Sunday school teacher at the Brethren Church we went to.

Pedophiles do not care about crossing denominational lines...they just ARE!!!

We Protestants have our fair share of boy scout leaders and youth leader in their churches who take advantage of the children in their care...
Just arguing about who is worst does nothing at all.

Let the Church who is without sin cast the first stone.

Agree.
Thanks for sharing your personal knowledge, albeit a sad story.

The problem of sexual child abuse is Not a Religious Problem.

Such a problem is instigated and perpetuated and overlooked; by another Older than the child, be it an older sibling, dad, mom, g-pa, g-ma, aunt, uncle, cousin, neighbor, babysitter, teacher, clergy Or stranger....

It becomes disgusting news when such news is revealed to be a Parent ...
and
Abhorrent when such news is discovered to be within the clergy or church elders...
and
Alarming and Intolerant (to some), (but not all which IS ALSO alarming)...When Clery have no apparent consequence for their actions...AND are ALLOWED continued Private Access to children.

The Catholic Church historically has Received much criticism for the Results of "HOW they were Allowed TO (legally) Handle Cleric abuse".
Historically Catholic Cleric abuse of children was "handled" "internally" .
Internal...
Complaints, investigations, findings, consequences, etc. ...and the Whole of <--THAT kept... Internal...out of the courts, public, news, congregation, etc.
And more times than Not, the Accusers complaint was dismissed and the Cleric remained in position without consequence and the "reputation of the church" remained constant and everyone was happy, except the "abused child".

^ The "Internal investigations" of the Catholic Church remain regarding sexual child abuse; yet is no longer "Limited" to ONLY the Church.
Parents CAN, but are not encouraged to take a sexual child abuse matter to authorities Outside of the Church.

More recent news reveals moreso of adults WHO WERE abused as children...when nothing was resolved WHEN they were children.

Their Now speaking about WHAT WAS ... lands merely on Awarness and Warnings...
Since the law of civil authorities is limited by time constraint to prosecute.

However...the "news" puts a bad smell on the Catholic Church and becomes an irritant to Church members who love their Church and clerics and have not experienced or have first hand knowledge or such abuse.

Protestants can also lodge a complaint with their Church and IMO historically have no reservations in ALSO lodging a complaint with Civil authorities.

So bottom line is:
It is not really About Catholic child abusers VS Protestant child abusers....

But rather:
1) does the child notify a trusted adult
2) does the "Trusted" adult investigate, proceed with consequences, "AND" Keep the child "protected" from the alledged Abuser AT ALL Times.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Triumph1300]

Good post bbyrd009.

 

[Taken]

when you prosecute rather than forgive, you are not only making a statement about what system you live under, but also blocking God, and grace imo. You have to forgive if you expect to be forgiven

Scripturally it is not one (forgive) "or" the other (suffer consequences).

It is both.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Scripturally it is not one (forgive) "or" the other (suffer consequences).

It is both.

God Bless,
Taken

i'm finding the arg specious if for no other reason than those are two diff people; but also bc forgiveness brings on its own consequences, that have not even been explored here, and most likely will not. We are much more into the "suffering consequences" part i guess, not realizing how this will come back upon our heads

i know this seems counterintuitive, and i don't mean to imply that i'm any better at it than anyone else, but forgiveness really is the best revenge, even if it does not appear to be in the moment.

But i'm currently advocating bashing chronic depressives over the head repeatedly on another thread lol, feel free to run over there and call me a hypocrite if you like :)

 

[Triumph1300]

Problem is that only the victim (and relatives) are in a position to forgive.

Not the bystander who has not been victimized.

 

[bbyrd009]

Problem is that only the victim (and relatives) are in a position to forgive.

Not the bystander who has not been victimized.

i would have to disagree, as soon as the bystander takes a position of enforcing consequences they are in as much trouble as those who dwell on it with them. The concept of inmates persecuting child molesters in prison to help their own poor self-esteem rise comes to mind; "less guilt by dissociation."

a lot of this kind of thinking and threading really is all about swaying the opinions of bystanders after all, imo. We actually do not have to have an opinion about everything, i don't think. If a bystander can be convinced to persecute, they are also in a position to forgive imo

 

[Triumph1300]

To be forgiven there needs to be repentance.
Without repentance there's no forgiveness.

 

[Helen]

Agree.
Thanks for sharing your personal knowledge, albeit a sad story.

The problem of sexual child abuse is Not a Religious Problem.

Such a problem is instigated and perpetuated and overlooked; by another Older than the child, be it an older sibling, dad, mom, g-pa, g-ma, aunt, uncle, cousin, neighbor, babysitter, teacher, clergy Or stranger....

It becomes disgusting news when such news is revealed to be a Parent ...
and
Abhorrent when such news is discovered to be within the clergy or church elders...
and
Alarming and Intolerant (to some), (but not all which IS ALSO alarming)...When Clery have no apparent consequence for their actions...AND are ALLOWED continued Private Access to children.

The Catholic Church historically has Received much criticism for the Results of "HOW they were Allowed TO (legally) Handle Cleric abuse".
Historically Catholic Cleric abuse of children was "handled" "internally" .
Internal...
Complaints, investigations, findings, consequences, etc. ...and the Whole of <--THAT kept... Internal...out of the courts, public, news, congregation, etc.
And more times than Not, the Accusers complaint was dismissed and the Cleric remained in position without consequence and the "reputation of the church" remained constant and everyone was happy, except the "abused child".

^ The "Internal investigations" of the Catholic Church remain regarding sexual child abuse; yet is no longer "Limited" to ONLY the Church.
Parents CAN, but are not encouraged to take a sexual child abuse matter to authorities Outside of the Church.

More recent news reveals moreso of adults WHO WERE abused as children...when nothing was resolved WHEN they were children.

Their Now speaking about WHAT WAS ... lands merely on Awarness and Warnings...
Since the law of civil authorities is limited by time constraint to prosecute.

However...the "news" puts a bad smell on the Catholic Church and becomes an irritant to Church members who love their Church and clerics and have not experienced or have first hand knowledge or such abuse.

Protestants can also lodge a complaint with their Church and IMO historically have no reservations in ALSO lodging a complaint with Civil authorities.

So bottom line is:
It is not really About Catholic child abusers VS Protestant child abusers....

But rather:
1) does the child notify a trusted adult
2) does the "Trusted" adult investigate, proceed with consequences, "AND" Keep the child "protected" from the alledged Abuser AT ALL Times.

God Bless,
Taken

With the 'problems' I had, I didn't tell my parents about any , but one. A kid just doesn't. Back then they never expected to be believed.
Once I was married, I talked to my mother about it. She sadly told me that when my older brother complained to her and my dad...that Uncle **** kept him awake in the tent all night fiddling with him..(he was about 8 ..family camping holiday) ..my parents just said " don't make any fuss and don't mention it to anyone else in the family. "

So it seems that I was wise to not mention my 'problems' to them!!!
But, when I was 15 a dentist mauled me while I was in his chair.
( I almost broke his hand!! lol ) But I stomped out of there..and told my dad who had driven me there. And his answer?
" Well what do you want me to do about it?"

Hopefully things now are not so "Victorian" now, as they were back in the 50's.
Needless to say...I watched over my own girls like a hawk until they married :)

 

[Helen]

Wise words @bbyrd009

 

[Triumph1300]

The pope apologized, but that might all be fine and dandy.

The thing is, the sexual predators who committed these crimes should apologize and repent.

And of course, so should protestant sexual offenders.

And they should be punished according to the law of the land.

Last time I checked scripture, there's no forgiving without repentance.

 

[Triumph1300]

" Well what do you want me to do about it?"

He could have knocked the dentist's teeth out. LOL

 

[Taken]

i'm finding the arg specious if for no other reason than those are two diff people; but also bc forgiveness brings on its own consequences, that have not even been explored here, and most likely will not. We are much more into the "suffering consequences" part i guess, not realizing how this will come back upon our heads

i know this seems counterintuitive, and i don't mean to imply that i'm any better at it than anyone else, but forgiveness really is the best revenge, even if it does not appear to be in the moment.

But i'm currently advocating bashing chronic depressives over the head repeatedly on another thread lol, feel free to run over there and call me a hypocrite if you like :)

I would say, while "Forgiveness" is typically accepted by the offender, it is more rewarding for the "Forgiver", (Spiritually and carnally).

I suppose the "reward" could be viewed "as" being the bigger man, revenge, that type of thing...and would say that leans toward the carnal aspect; where the Spiritual aspect is;
If a man forgives a trespasser, so also shall God forgive the forgiver's trespasses.

I was speaking more toward, the point that Forgiveness does not Releive the consequences.

Examples:
A cheating spouse may be forgiven,
But their consequence is a loss of being trusted.

A murderer may be forgiven by the family,
But they still must endure the punishment.

And spiritually a man may be forgiven His Sin Against God for disbelief,
But the mans Body must still suffer the consequences of Bodily Death.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Phoneman777]

a thread on forgiveness and reconciliation would be more productive than one on any mostly imaginary difference in Catholics and Prots,

Seems to be some confusion over the scope of this thread - it's not about child sexual abuse - it's Faith Leader child sexual abuse - at the hands of men in whom we should be most comfortable placing our trust...and to suggest that the diff between Protestants and catholic Faith Leader child sexual abuse is "imaginary" is completely illegitimate, seeing that this issue has been public since Edward R. Murrow was knee high to a duck.

...and the pope has even openly sought forgiveness for the mistakes of the RCC

Is that why Jorge is just this week refusing to "confirm or deny" still-wet inked allegations of cover up?
Pope Francis refuses to answer question on 'cover-up' of child abuse allegations

i might suggest contemplating how you might forgive them instead, and recognize that we are making huge strides here, the issue is now out in the open, and condemned, awesome, ok.

Those who need forgiveness of God are those who refuse to expose the darkness as He has commanded them (Ephesians 5:11).

Luther became the monster that he sought to fight, and we really just traded one set of idols for another

What papal propagandist garbage did you get this from? Luther was one of the most devout, God-fearing Christians to ever profess faith in Christ who fearlessly preached Him at great risk to his very life and was never more than a few steps ahead of death - wrote commentaries and spiritual books with a depth of understanding that begins to approach that of the great apostle Paul - and composed such uplifting hymns and music that makes the garbage emanating out of the CCM movement sound like feeding time at the zoo. He didn't become an Antichrist - he exposed it for who it is.

I appreciate your input, my brother, but I have to strongly disagree with you on some of your points.

 

[Phoneman777]

A friendly reminder: this thread is not about child sex abuse - it's about FAITH LEADER child sexual abuse...at the hands of those who have been legitimately charged by God to care for His sheep, which excludes your perverted uncle, neighbor, friend of the family, etc. (unless they were faith leaders) and the many self-appointed pastors of the "non-denom" emergent church apostasy through which many sexual/monetary predators gain access to the many soft targets which reside there.

 

[Taken]

With the 'problems' I had, I didn't tell my parents about any , but one. A kid just doesn't. Back then they never expected to be believed.
Once I was married, I talked to my mother about it. She sadly told me that when my older brother complained to her and my dad...that Uncle **** kept him awake in the tent all night fiddling with him..(he was about 8 ..family camping holiday) ..my parents just said " don't make any fuss and don't mention it to anyone else in the family. "

So it seems that I was wise to not mention my 'problems' to them!!!
But, when I was 15 a dentist mauled me while I was in his chair.
( I almost broke his hand!! lol ) But I stomped out of there..and told my dad who had driven me there. And his answer?
" Well what do you want me to do about it?"

Hopefully things now are not so "Victorian" now, as they were back in the 50's.
Needless to say...I watched over my own girls like a hawk until they married :)

My daughter and other girls had an issue with a gym teacher during shower time. Nothing major, rather the gawlking, pulling their towels off, swatting their bare bottoms type of stuff. The day my daughter told me, was the day I drove to the school to have a meeting with the Principle...Got the brush off, kids talk, girls are sensitive, no Docemented Reports....I said, I'll Be Back!
That night I had my daughter make a list of girls she had heard complain, the next day Day asked each girl if THEY would be willing to write a statement of what was done to them, or they observed AND include their feelings. My daughter came home with 14 letters and her own was 15 letters. I wrote a introductory Cover letter and made a copy of all the letters...then went back to meet with the Principal. There I sat while He read all the letters. His response was two fold.
1) What resolution did I think would be satisfactory
2) He intended to meet with the Teacher.

My input was;
I was not looking to proceed to have her license revoked, or her Fired.
I did want the letters entered into her record.
I did want her Prevented from holding a position whereby she has access to naked children.
And an apology to each of the girls who spoke up.

The Principal phoned me a few days later to come meet with him, Whereby he informed me all I asked for was effected.

And by my daughter's report to me, that teacher was no longer in the same position and the girls were relieved and thankful.

Like you, I watch my kids like a hawk. And alway have told them to not lie, or go all off on rumors. If they know something is not right ... tell me...I will handle it.

There is a lot of funky stuff that goes on in schools, daycares, churches, etc. whereby adults are in charge of other people's children, and kids are on the short end of the stick, scared to tell parents.....
Hey, dad, ya know that teacher you think is so great? He's an inappropriate weirdo creep.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Triumph1300]

A friendly reminder: this thread is not about child sex abuse - it's about FAITH LEADER child sexual abuse...at the hands of those who have been legitimately charged by God to care for His sheep, which excludes your perverted uncle, neighbor, friend of the family, etc. (unless they were faith leaders) and the many self-appointed pastors of the "non-denom" emergent church apostasy through which many sexual/monetary predators gain access to the many soft targets which reside there.

 

[Phoneman777]

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[Helen]

My daughter and other girls had an issue with a gym teacher during shower time. Nothing major, rather the gawlking, pulling their towels off, swatting their bare bottoms type of stuff. The day my daughter told me, was the day I drove to the school to have a meeting with the Principle...Got the brush off, kids talk, girls are sensitive, no Docemented Reports....I said, I'll Be Back!
That night I had my daughter make a list of girls she had heard complain, the next day Day asked each girl if THEY would be willing to write a statement of what was done to them, or they observed AND include their feelings. My daughter came home with 14 letters and her own was 15 letters. I wrote a introductory Cover letter and made a copy of all the letters...then went back to meet with the Principal. There I sat while He read all the letters. His response was two fold.
1) What resolution did I think would be satisfactory
2) He intended to meet with the Teacher.

My input was;
I was not looking to proceed to have her license revoked, or her Fired.
I did want the letters entered into her record.
I did want her Prevented from holding a position whereby she has access to naked children.
And an apology to each of the girls who spoke up.

The Principal phoned me a few days later to come meet with him, Whereby he informed me all I asked for was effected.

And by my daughter's report to me, that teacher was no longer in the same position and the girls were relieved and thankful.

Like you, I watch my kids like a hawk. And alway have told them to not lie, or go all off on rumors. If they know something is not right ... tell me...I will handle it.

There is a lot of funky stuff that goes on in schools, daycares, churches, etc. whereby adults are in charge of other people's children, and kids are on the short end of the stick, scared to tell parents.....
Hey, dad, ya know that teacher you think is so great? He's an inappropriate weirdo creep.

God Bless,
Taken

Good post. Good for you.

When my eldest daughter was 11 ( 1972) the same thing happened at her school. Many of us couldn't stand the new headmaster.
Mandator sex education had just started.
This headmaster was always walking up and down in the swim time..
I got involved when my daughter told me that they ( mixed class) were not allowed to change before lining up to put their swim ware through the wringer, or carry towels. They now had to line up in rows naked, with the boys ( 10 and 11 year olds ) She broke out in a rash with worry about swim days.
This headmaster used to walk up and down the lines..."drying the backs" of some of the girls.
Like you...when she come home crying I ran down to the school.
His secretary told me he was in his study and not taking visitors .
Two hours later I screamed at her and told her to tell him to come out and talk to me..or climb out of the window, because I was not going away.
Finally he came out.
Yes, I went for him. I also told him I was lodging a formal complaint with the school board, plus starting a petition to get rid of him.
He told me that it was healthy and that he agreed with sex for kids.
You can guess what I said...

We also started a prayer meeting to get rid of him.
It all worked. He was gone. We got a nice man in his place.

That was then, this is now...our poor kids these days are exposed to so much more.

 

[Triumph1300]

Phoneman777, Not defending them.
You are nuts if you think I am defending them.
You know better.
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But we have seen this stuff now for a very long time.
We all know about it.
It serves no further purpose to keep posting.

 

[Helen]

A friendly reminder: this thread is not about child sex abuse - it's about FAITH LEADER child sexual abuse...at the hands of those who have been legitimately charged by God to care for His sheep, which excludes your perverted uncle, neighbor, friend of the family, etc. (unless they were faith leaders) and the many self-appointed pastors of the "non-denom" emergent church apostasy through which many sexual/monetary predators gain access to the many soft targets which reside there.

You cannot have Child sex abuse WITHOUT Pedophiles!!
Sorry, ..."say you!! "
Maybe we don't like your topics.... you can't control what we can post here...

We are bored with your anti Catholic stuff..and all your negative threads...you seem to lack and real joy in the Lord...but we are stuck with it from you....so you are just as stuck with ours.

It is still on topic...as these are all PROTESTANT PEDOPHILES...
You ask where they are....and BOO...there they are!!