Jack Van Impe Challenging Pope Francis to Debate!!

[Phoneman777]

But we’re not talking about your beliefs, are we??

We’re talking about HISTORY – and you have that all screwed up because you’ve been brainwashed by Disciples of Ellen G. White.

If we were just talking about your bizarre SDA doctrines, that that would be one thing – but YOU’VE made some pretty asinine and historically-bankrupt claims that simply don’t pass the smell test . . .

You're kidding, right? You who believe a priest is "the creator of his Creator" and has the power to change a saltine cracker into the body of Christ and a cup of booze into His blood are going to sit there and accuse others of "bizarre" teachings? LOL

Hypocrisy, thy name is DEAD BREAD LOL

 

[Phoneman777]

The question is Why did the RCC not to mention the all other Church denominations hide the crimes of all them children, it reflects that they are of Satan and their in no question about that at all, no one could be so stupid to run and hide such filth, they are condemned, you just do not do that to children and as Jesus Christ said that he himself would come against anyone who does such to Children.

All who do such like that to children are going to Hell, there is no excuse at all for anyone raping anyone like that, non at all, it's just beyond belief that anyone would do such a thing or even think of such a thing, it would be better for such a one to go put a mill stone around there neck and toss it into the sea.

Its beyond a joke ! this caper has been known for years and everything has been against anyone who stood up to this Satanic mob of bastards, not to mention the way they have controlled the issue, it stinks ! the Satanist are so cunning that they are still leading people astray. but the public nowadays are much more under the thumb than ever due to the Churches not standing up to the Satanic workings cultural Marxist Political Correctness, Socialism and Communism, they are all dead ducks in the water. not to mention just totally worthless as to Christ Jesus and they do not know him, for if they did they would not just sit on their arse as the world is led into Hellfire.

A true Christian does not just sit on their arse on issues concerning God.

Just look at that football player called Israel Folau who is the best football player by far down here and he got sacked for saying this. he did his Christian duty to warn people of going to Hell and where is the Church to be found standing with him pointing out that it is a fact. no they run and hide but the poor bloke got attacked with total malice getting sacked for saying what Christians have been saying openly for 2000 years, but now you are a made out to be the monster and it's because Satan is now loose, what does one expect with Socialism as it's a work of Satan.

It's one thing for a rogue Protestant leader to sexually abuse kids in a church whose leadership has zero tolerance for such. Sadly, it happens. But papists like Dead Bread and papal sympathizers have the audacity to compare that with the GLOBAL EPIDEMIC of child sex abuse by backwards-collar pedophiles who are encouraged, enabled, and protected by papal authorities. Absolutely astonishing...

 

[Phoneman777]

Gosh.
How far back do you want to go?
How many believed what Augustine wrote?
He had his own thoughts...most of which I don't even agree with.
Plus, which part of his life are we talking about?
The beginning, the middle, the end.
His views changed so much it's difficult to keep up.
He was very respected by the church because of Charisma and because he was able to hold back a lot of heresy that was ongoing at his time.

But I don't know any other early theologian that even agreed with his ideas before he came along...and they were quickly forgotten.

He spoke of predestination, for instance.
The CC does not believe in the predestination Augustine taught and which Calvin clung on to.

The creator of the Creator. Pleeeeze.
No priest I know, personally, believes he is doing this.

So, the "creator of his Creator" is bad but "this is my body, this is my blood" in Latin turns a piece of stale cracker and a cup of booze into the body and blood of Jesus?

Catholics are like the people in the story of the "Emperor's New Clothes". They all know no matter what the priest says, there ain't nothing happens to that bread and that booze...but no one dares say anything...while those of us in God's true church are all like, "Hey, the dude's butt naked!"

 

[Phoneman777]

Know anybody that would like to buy some of them?
Make a list.

Oh. And the CC happens to be the church that most helps the needy.
You could check out the statistics...this is correct.

Let's not be too quick to brag about the papacy.

Remember, their clergy are forbidden to marry and have children. Do you have any idea how much that benefits that organization monetarily?

You pay priests a pittance, ensure by a marriage prohibition that all their money comes back into the church instead of being divided in a will, avoid expensive cost of living expenses like family insurance coverage, child education and medical expenses, maternity expenses, family living expenses, costly family relocation expenses upon new priest assignments, etc., etc., etc., just to name a few.

The SDA church - which stands by the Biblical idea that "the bishop must be...the husband of one wife" - operates a global network of institutions of religion, healing, education, and disaster relief, as well as many others missions. It's the other one of the two women of Bible prophecy, the one being the Whore of Babylon who is unfaithful to God and His law, and the other who abides by the directive to "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony...and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Pedophiles ought to be put to death no matter who they are.

I would agree that is the Law as to God.

But maybe not all pedos should be killed, but as to what they truly did has to be taken into account and if they are unrepentant.
I am sure that in real bad cases like rape of under 10yo they may just have to be finished off.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, what papists call a "poetic description", the Bible calls blasphemy in the highest order.

Every time we expose the papacy as Antichrist by the very words of papists, you Dead Bread claim "that's not an official teaching"...which begs the question: what is it about the papacy that leads millions of papists to publish what you claim the church doesn't teach? Could it be...

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No - it's just that MOST people aren't as dense as some anti-Catholics and understand the glaring differences between poetic language and doctrine . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Let's not be too quick to brag about the papacy.

Remember, their clergy are forbidden to marry and have children. Do you have any idea how much that benefits that organization monetarily?

You pay priests a pittance, ensure by a marriage prohibition that all their money comes back into the church instead of being divided in a will, avoid expensive cost of living expenses like family insurance coverage, child education and medical expenses, maternity expenses, family living expenses, costly family relocation expenses upon new priest assignments, etc., etc., etc., just to name a few.

The SDA church - which stands by the Biblical idea that "the bishop must be...the husband of one wife" - operates a global network of institutions of religion, healing, education, and disaster relief, as well as many others missions. It's the other one of the two women of Bible prophecy, the one being the Whore of Babylon who is unfaithful to God and His law, and the other who abides by the directive to "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony...and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12

Such Biblical and historical ignorance from a person who claims to be a follower of Christ is abominable.

For starters, Einstein - Paul RECOMMENDS celibacy fpr those who want to serve God in a more excellent way . . .

1 Cor. 7:32-35, 38
I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord. . . . So that he who marries his betrothed does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do BETTER.


Also - Paul didn't say that a Bishop MUST be married. He said that he must be the husband of ONE wife - IF he is married.
Are you forgetting that polygamy was rampant in the first century??

Haven't you EVER opened a Bible or history book??

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're kidding, right? You who believe a priest is "the creator of his Creator" and has the power to change a saltine cracker into the body of Christ and a cup of booze into His blood are going to sit there and accuse others of "bizarre" teachings? LOL

Hypocrisy, thy name is DEAD BREAD LOL

First of all - we don't use "saltine crackers" - but yes. I believe that God has the power to change rocks into bread if he wants and clay into people. He can do ANYTHING He wills because He is ALL-Powerful. It's not the power of the priest who confects the Eucharist - but YOU wouldn't know that because you're too busy hurling idiotic insults instead of doing your homework.

It is GOD who changes the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
Your lack if faith is pathetic. Are ALL SDA's so woefully-lacking in faith as YOU??

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's one thing for a rogue Protestant leader to sexually abuse kids in a church whose leadership has zero tolerance for such. Sadly, it happens. But papists like Dead Bread and papal sympathizers have the audacity to compare that with the GLOBAL EPIDEMIC of child sex abuse by backwards-collar pedophiles who are encouraged, enabled, and protected by papal authorities. Absolutely astonishing...

It's MUCH more than just a few "rogue" Protestant leaders, Einstein.

According to the book, Pedophiles and Priests, written by PROTESTANT author, Philip Jenkins - the problem is FAR WORSE among Protestant churches that in the Catholic Church.

He lays out ALL of the national statistics, showing that the ONLY reason the Catholic Church took the brunt of the bad press was because of its perceived wealth. Lawyers across the country were salivating at the prospect - but paid little to NO attention to the problem in the smaller Protestant sects because there was no "real money" in it.

Now THAT'S absolutely astonishing . . .


PS - Do your HOMEWORK., instead of repeatedly embarrassing yourself . . .

 

[epostle]

The question is Why did the RCC not to mention the all other Church denominations hide the crimes of all them children, it reflects that they are of Satan and their in no question about that at all, no one could be so stupid to run and hide such filth, they are condemned, you just do not do that to children and as Jesus Christ said that he himself would come against anyone who does such to Children.

All who do such like that to children are going to Hell, there is no excuse at all for anyone raping anyone like that, non at all, it's just beyond belief that anyone would do such a thing or even think of such a thing, it would be better for such a one to go put a mill stone around there neck and toss it into the sea.

Its beyond a joke ! this caper has been known for years and everything has been against anyone who stood up to this Satanic mob of bastards, not to mention the way they have controlled the issue, it stinks ! the Satanist are so cunning that they are still leading people astray. but the public nowadays are much more under the thumb than ever due to the Churches not standing up to the Satanic workings cultural Marxist Political Correctness, Socialism and Communism, they are all dead ducks in the water. not to mention just totally worthless as to Christ Jesus and they do not know him, for if they did they would not just sit on their arse as the world is led into Hellfire.

A true Christian does not just sit on their arse on issues concerning God.

Just look at that football player called Israel Folau who is the best football player by far down here and he got sacked for saying this. he did his Christian duty to warn people of going to Hell and where is the Church to be found standing with him pointing out that it is a fact. no they run and hide but the poor bloke got attacked with total malice getting sacked for saying what Christians have been saying openly for 2000 years, but now you are a made out to be the monster and it's because Satan is now loose, what does one expect with Socialism as it's a work of Satan.

What Satan is doing is convincing people that the sex abuse crisis is ongoing. It has ended. No institution, public or private, can beat the current record of .006%.

 

[epostle]

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the latest report on priestly sexual abuse:

In 2004, two years after the priestly sexual abuse scandal broke in the media, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishop released its first annual audit of this subject. We have been tracking this issue every year, noting the incredible progress, and have now concluded that it is time to discontinue the audits. Here’s why.

In the latest audit, the 2017 Annual Report, there were 24 new allegations made by minors during the period July 1, 2016 to June 30, 2017. But only six were substantiated; the clergy were removed from ministry. Moreover, four of the six allegations were made against the same priest. This means that of the 50,245 priests and deacons, .006 percent of the clergy had a substantiated charge made against him.

The 2016 Annual Report showed that there were two new substantiated cases made against 52,238 priests and deacons. This means that .004 percent of the clergy had a substantiated charge made against him.

In short, over the past two years, an average of .005 percent of the clergy had a substantiated charge made against him.

The time has come to end the audits. If not now, when?

The problem of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church occurred mostly between 1965 and 1985. Now that it is harder for practicing homosexuals to enter the priesthood—they are responsible for 8 in 10 cases of the sexual abuse of minors (pedophiles are responsible for less than 5 percent)—there is no need for the annual study.

To be sure, the training programs and screening procedures that have worked so well should continue, but it makes no sense to waste money on a study of this magnitude any longer. Indeed, it only feeds the erroneous perception that the problem continues unabated. This is not our problem anymore. We need to have the guts to say so.
TIME TO END BISHOPS' PRIESTLY ABUSE AUDIT

 

[GodsGrace]

So, the "creator of his Creator" is bad but "this is my body, this is my blood" in Latin turns a piece of stale cracker and a cup of booze into the body and blood of Jesus?

Catholics are like the people in the story of the "Emperor's New Clothes". They all know no matter what the priest says, there ain't nothing happens to that bread and that booze...but no one dares say anything...while those of us in God's true church are all like, "Hey, the dude's butt naked!"

I can't change how you think PM,
But the hatred that comes out of you is appalling.
Jesus said we are to love each other.

There are some doctrine in the CC which is wrong,,,just as there is in any church.
I wonder what church YOU go to? Do you think they're right about everything?

Catholics are really rather very respectful of the Eucharist.
I'm in a catholic country and go to many Masses...I've found that even those that know nothing about theology or study the bible, have a respect for the Eucharist because they truly believe it is the body and blood of Jesus.
Not ALL of them do...there are always exceptions.

So why do you hate the CC so much?
They're counting on Jesus just like we are.

 

[GodsGrace]

Let's not be too quick to brag about the papacy.

Remember, their clergy are forbidden to marry and have children. Do you have any idea how much that benefits that organization monetarily?

You pay priests a pittance, ensure by a marriage prohibition that all their money comes back into the church instead of being divided in a will, avoid expensive cost of living expenses like family insurance coverage, child education and medical expenses, maternity expenses, family living expenses, costly family relocation expenses upon new priest assignments, etc., etc., etc., just to name a few.

The SDA church - which stands by the Biblical idea that "the bishop must be...the husband of one wife" - operates a global network of institutions of religion, healing, education, and disaster relief, as well as many others missions. It's the other one of the two women of Bible prophecy, the one being the Whore of Babylon who is unfaithful to God and His law, and the other who abides by the directive to "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony...and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12

Oh. You're a SDA.
OK. I love all my brothers in Christ.
Even though I hear you think I'mm going to hell for worshipping on Sunday.
Is that right?

Anyway, the original reason why priests were not to marry was so that they could devote their life to God and not have to worry about wives and children. Having children does create some problems for Protestant Pastors because they play with the children on the congregation and also attend the same school. His wife may not get along with all the women (you know how gals are) and there is also, nowadays, a monetary reason, as you've posted.

The whole system is different.
A pastor, pastors a church...one bldg or institution.
If he can earn enough from tithing he does not have to go to work.
If he does go to work, he is torn away from his duties as a pastor.
There are persons in hospitals, persons dying, persons that need to see their pastor, and he may or may not be around for them.

As to the salary a priest makes...I speak for here, I don't know about the states.
Here a priest makes as much as most men going to work. Those men support a family, I guess a priest would be able to also. But then he'd be torn just like our pastors are.

Some priest DO NOT WANT to be married, and are very happy as they are.
Some have conflict at some point in their life...some at about the age of 50/55 and some even as late as 70. It's only human to desire to have someone to take care of us when we need it...and priests need care just like the rest of humanity.

I just don't understand the hatred.

 

[JohnPaul]

GodsGrace, you beat me to it, I’m feeling a lot of hate on this thread.

 

[BreadOfLife]

GodsGrace, you beat me to it, I’m feeling a lot of hate on this thread.

Not from me.
I simply have no tolerance for blatant lies - but I have no hatred . . .

 

[Enoch111]

Even though I hear you think I'mm going to hell for worshipping on Sunday.Is that right?

Right. Sunday worship was called "taking the Mark of the Beast". Except the Beast has not shown up as yet. Now that is beastly.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

What Satan is doing is convincing people that the sex abuse crisis is ongoing. It has ended. No institution, public or private, can beat the current record of .006%.

It's ended ?
From what I seen as to it all from the late 1970's on was that it never did start, so they said, not to mention how they covered it all up, the Governments and top of police powers and media are totally responsible for all this cover up that went on during all them years.

Not to mention that they have not come clean on the whole story, that has been covered up, not to mention that anyone who goes to report such nowadays will not get past the legal minefield unless you are very lucky.

I was on a jury as to a case of a pedo and after that police told me, that bastard had been in court 12 times on such cases and had got off every time.

The law has worked in a way so as to covering up such things and it still is now only that they have got a lot smarter in how to cut down anyone who popes up to try to deal with such a case now. you had bugger all before and even less chance now of your average person winning in a court case on such a case. their is a bag of tricks that are used against anyone and more holes in the Law than switz cheese.

 

[Phoneman777]

I can't change how you think PM,
But the hatred that comes out of you is appalling.
Jesus said we are to love each other.

There are some doctrine in the CC which is wrong,,,just as there is in any church.
I wonder what church YOU go to? Do you think they're right about everything?

Catholics are really rather very respectful of the Eucharist.
I'm in a catholic country and go to many Masses...I've found that even those that know nothing about theology or study the bible, have a respect for the Eucharist because they truly believe it is the body and blood of Jesus.
Not ALL of them do...there are always exceptions.

So why do you hate the CC so much?
They're counting on Jesus just like we are.

I hate the teachings of the catholic church because they are doctrines of devils which, as one writer put it, are "a method of forgetting God which shall pass as a method of remembering him.". Many catholics are happy with this arrangement - they can live as they please as long as they adhere to a few rituals/rites, etc. They need to be warned that only FULL SURRENDER to Christ can deliver a soul from eternal damnation.

What you recklessly, callously call "hate" is actually hope to those who hear and the warning to "come out of Babylon, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins and recieve not of her plagues."

 

[Phoneman777]

Oh. You're a SDA.
OK. I love all my brothers in Christ.
Even though I hear you think I'mm going to hell for worshipping on Sunday.
Is that right?

Anyway, the original reason why priests were not to marry was so that they could devote their life to God and not have to worry about wives and children. Having children does create some problems for Protestant Pastors because they play with the children on the congregation and also attend the same school. His wife may not get along with all the women (you know how gals are) and there is also, nowadays, a monetary reason, as you've posted.

The whole system is different.
A pastor, pastors a church...one bldg or institution.
If he can earn enough from tithing he does not have to go to work.
If he does go to work, he is torn away from his duties as a pastor.
There are persons in hospitals, persons dying, persons that need to see their pastor, and he may or may not be around for them.

As to the salary a priest makes...I speak for here, I don't know about the states.
Here a priest makes as much as most men going to work. Those men support a family, I guess a priest would be able to also. But then he'd be torn just like our pastors are.

Some priest DO NOT WANT to be married, and are very happy as they are.
Some have conflict at some point in their life...some at about the age of 50/55 and some even as late as 70. It's only human to desire to have someone to take care of us when we need it...and priests need care just like the rest of humanity.

I just don't understand the hatred.

I've not time for the emotionally unstable. No, I don't thing Sunday worshipers are going to hell and the SDA church doesn't teach that.

What we teach is that, just as in Bible times, religious laws will be enacted in which God's law will be replaced with man made laws, the chief of which will be Sunday sacredness - which the catholic church proudly claims is "our MARK of authority". Then, God's people will have to choose, just as in the days of Daniel, Esther, the Apostles, etc., to either obey man's laws or God's laws - and by that obtain the "Seal of God" or the "Mark of the Beast".

Those who truly love God always keep His commandments - they don't look to excuse those who break them and teach others to do so, and certainly don't attack those who are calling sin by it's rightful name.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Right. Sunday worship was called "taking the Mark of the Beast". Except the Beast has not shown up as yet. Now that is beastly.

Sunday is the start of the week is it not.
All atheist want to start the week of with Monday, one can see that with Calender's marked that way.
You never see a Christian Calender start with anything but Sunday.

When one understands that Jesus was Christ the old Jewish day was over and the new came into light, that being Sunday.
Now Satan is trying to undermine Sunday and we see people are becoming enslaved having to work 7 days a week now, it's a work of Satan trying to undermine all under it's power.
I have seen religious mobs peddle against Sunday so as not to pay others extra and to get them to work like slaves regardless.

If one does not believe it's Sunday worship then they are not truly Christians, or you will find that they have another Jesus, it's all about the 2ed coming to them and idolising so called Jews, for they have abandoned Jesus Christ as they have no faith truly in him, but are looking to another to come and this will be the Devil.
As in the true second coming Jesus is not coming in the flesh, Jesus is in the Holy Spirit as he always is and has been.