Bro, catholics don't care about Biblical consistency, else they'd cease to be catholics.No, sorry Christ is the Rock and it is shown all through the Bible.
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Bro, catholics don't care about Biblical consistency, else they'd cease to be catholics.No, sorry Christ is the Rock and it is shown all through the Bible.
It doesn't matter whether you care for a day, or me. What matters is what day God cares for.I don't care what day of the week you call Monday. But I do care that people know who Jesus is. And it's pagan to think he has 3 heads.
Pagan Rome persecuted the early church until the 3rd century. I think the emperor was Gratian, just before Constantine, who saw no benefit in killing Christians. But were there popes at that time? I could accept that the bishops of Rome were killed, along with thousands of others. As well as bishops of other cities where pagan Rome held sway. I don't see how that detracts from the argument that the early church slowly sunk into apostasy beginning from the 4th century when it began to cling to civil power. That fall was complete around the 6th century when she too began to persecute "heretics" and other Christians because they refused papal authority over their spiritual welfare. And that authority to persecute came from pagan Rome... Not scripture.A non-reply to post #15 because it has you stumped. Who killed the first 27+ popes? You run every time I bring this historical FACT up. You inject into the discussion a false history invented by cults. They have no credibility. You latch on to their lies because it meets some sick need.
Again, who killed the first 27+ popes? You won't answer because the truth shatters your stupid myth making about the early church.
Great point. No idol becomes one without the Idolator.Where does the Pope get his authority?
From his followers. They give it to him. No followers, no authority.
So the ten commandments were only for Jews?That’s easy…we don’t have holy days to worship God…we do that every day. Our meetings are held on days that are most convenient to the majority in the congregation…sometimes a weekend, or an evening of a week day….sometimes we share a Kingdom Hall with other congregations and have to organize meeting times to suit everyone. There is no special day of the week for Christians.
We are under no obligation to observe a Sabbath. That was mandated to the Jews…..I am not Jewish.
Exodus 31:16-17…“The sons of Israel must keep the sabbath, so as to carry out the sabbath during their generations. It is a covenant to time indefinite [“a perpetual covenant,” RS]. Between me and the sons of Israel it is a sign to time indefinite.”
No one outside of Israel was told to observe a Sabbath.
Col 2:16-17…
”Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath. 17 Those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ.”
Jews who became Christians could still observe a Sabbath rest day if they wanted to, but it was no longer a requirement…..The Law was no longer binding under the new covenant.
Galatians 4:10-11It doesn't matter whether you care for a day, or me. What matters is what day God cares for.
@Aunty Jane
If God has blessed a day millennia before a Jew existed, them out isn't a Jewish day, it's God's day. That day is still blessed. Still holy. Still sanctified. You cast it aside as of no account simply because your opinion is that it isn't for you? Yet Jesus declared it a gift for mankind. Not the Jews, but everyone.
You are afraid for me because I choose to honour the 4th Commandment?Galatians 4:10-11
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
My thoughts on that are this...You are afraid for me because I choose to honour the 4th Commandment?
There was no command for anyone to observe the seventh day that God had reserved for his rest, before the Jews were commanded to do so in their law. If he did where will I find it?@Aunty Jane
If God has blessed a day millennia before a Jew existed, them out isn't a Jewish day, it's God's day. That day is still blessed. Still holy. Still sanctified. You cast it aside as of no account simply because your opinion is that it isn't for you? Yet Jesus declared it a gift for mankind. Not the Jews, but everyone.
As part of God’s law to Israel, the apostle Paul said that “Christ was the end of the law”, (Rom 10:4) which included the 10 Commandments.So the ten commandments were only for Jews?
May I add to this... God does not care about days for the Christian. We now have Christ in us and what God is concerned with now is having a sweet fellowship with us and us with Him. Being concerned with days and weeks was for Israel who had no spirit of Christ and so the Law was the only way they could acknowledge God. You guys do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God with this Law that went out of date more then 2 thousand years ago.There was no command for anyone to observe the seventh day that God had reserved for his rest, before the Jews were commanded to do so in their law. If he did where will I find it?
The seventh day of Genesis is not a 24 hour day......it is the period between the close of the sixth day what followed thereafter.....until the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ and his “joint-heirs”....which after the cleansing of this earth , will still be 1000 years into the future. We are in God’s counting of time, not man’s.
So God rested only from his creative work on “the seventh day.”...... He and his son have never stopped working. (John 5:17)
It is as though the Creator stepped back and allowed what he had set in motion to run its course....for all contingencies to surface, and be dealt with successfully. He had full confidence that by the end of “the seventh day,” (then thousands of years into the future) everything will have turned out exactly as he has purposed. Whatever obstacles came up as a result of the abuse of free will, they would have been overcome in order to teach us the value of obedience.
All obedient mankind will benefit when God’s will is “done on earth as it is in heaven”. Nothing will prevent this because God’s blessing is on “the seventh day,” and he made it “sacred.” It’s success is assured so that at the end, the missing declaration for the seventh day, will also be “very good”. There was a reason why the 7th day had no closing declaration from God.....something that many overlook.
What a fantastic prospect for obedient mankind!....to finally experience what it’s like to have God as our only Sovereign ruler....No satan, and no wicked humans or angels to ever derail God’s purpose again.
What's your explanation for Jesus's end-times comment in Matt 24:20 ("Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.")?May I add to this... God does not care about days for the Christian. We now have Christ in us and what God is concerned with now is having a sweet fellowship with us and us with Him. Being concerned with days and weeks was for Israel who had no spirit of Christ and so the Law was the only way they could acknowledge God. You guys do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God with this Law that went out of date more then 2 thousand years ago.
What's your explanation for Jesus's end-times comment in Matt 24:20 ("Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.")?
Witnesses believe that Creation Week was much longer that 7 days.Interesting @Aunty Jane that for all their protesting the corruptions of Babylon, Jehovah's Witnesses use the exact same excuses as Babylon for their reluctance to obey God's Commandments, and would rather surrender to their own authority and refused to surrender to the authority of God. Any day? Sorry aunty but God did not bless, sanctify and make holy just any day. Not did He bless, sanctify, and make holy am undermined length of time that flatly denies the creation week. Jesus created 7 days. We still celebrate that 7 days today. And the 7th is an evening and morning like the rest, and Jesus observed the Sabbath, as did His disciples, as did the apostles, as did the early church until Babylon forced it underground and killed those who chose to obey.
Witnesses believe that Creation Week was much longer that 7 days.
A historical overview freind.Aaaaah. Am I allowed to do that?
He's talking to the Israel in Matthew 24:20 and not Christians. Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.What's your explanation for Jesus's end-times comment in Matt 24:20 ("Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.")?
Please share any scripture that says any specific day of the week should be deemed “holy” to a Christian?Interesting @Aunty Jane that for all their protesting the corruptions of Babylon, Jehovah's Witnesses use the exact same excuses as Babylon for their reluctance to obey God's Commandments, and would rather surrender to their own authority and refused to surrender to the authority of God.
The 7th day that God blessed was not a 24 hour day…..creation did not take place 6000 years ago. YEC beliefs are thrown out by science, and the Bible itself does not support 24 hour “days” as if God “spoke” creation into being over a literal week……Jehovah is a Creator, not a magician……every creation is well thought out, planned and made according to God’s will and purpose.…perfect in every detail.Any day? Sorry aunty but God did not bless, sanctify and make holy just any day. Not did He bless, sanctify, and make holy am undermined length of time that flatly denies the creation week. Jesus created 7 days. We still celebrate that 7 days today. And the 7th is an evening and morning like the rest, and Jesus observed the Sabbath, as did His disciples, as did the apostles, as did the early church until Babylon forced it underground and killed those who chose to obey.