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His voice already said;

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of YHWH thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

But the Lord speaks to my heart. He quickens scriptures to me so that they come alive as He sees fits, not as you decide or even as I decide. Don't try to put God in that bottle. He won't fit. He had a purpose for the natural Israelites to obey His written law. What was their failure?

He has a purpose for us to obey what He speaks and quickens to our heart. He never quickened to me what you have posted above. Until what is written in the scripture is quickened within me it is has no Life in it... and the Word of God is not dead.

Israel failed to obey because the commandments were external, written on stone. Now they are to be written internally on our hearts. He can certainly speak to us through other means besides His commandments, but not to the exclusion of what is written in His Word, the Scriptures and in our hearts.
You are presuming that what you have understood from the scriptures and/or from your ministers is what God has intended. What God intends is what He speaks to each believer. You may or may not know what He has spoken to you. That depends on your ability to see and hear. Those abilities are dependent on your connection to the Head of the Body [Jesus] through the Holy Ghost. You do not know what He has spoken to me.

There are many Christian denominations because people are following people who do not know their own part, much less the part of so many others. We are not all to be the same part of the Body of Christ with the same function. Don't pretend to know the function of others when you do not. Ask God to help you understand and do fully your own part.
 

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But the Lord speaks to my heart. He quickens scriptures to me so that they come alive as He sees fits, not as you decide or even as I decide. Don't try to put God in that bottle. He won't fit. He had a purpose for the natural Israelites to obey His written law. What was their failure?
Their failure was a lack of faith. Do you not obey any written laws? When you choose to not steal are you obeying a written law? Yes, with the power of the Holy Spirit to not act upon the temptation. Why do you not steal? Because you know it is wrong because the written law tells us so. It is the function of the law to point out sin (Romans 3:20). If you have been deceived into believing there is no more Sabbath law, then you cannot see your sin.

He has a purpose for us to obey what He speaks and quickens to our heart. He never quickened to me what you have posted above. Until what is written in the scripture is quickened within me it is has no Life in it... and the Word of God is not dead.
John 7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
It is YHWH's will they we obey His commandments. They are not grievous and they demonstrate our love for Him (1 John 5:3). Among those commandments is His holy Sabbath. If you do the Sabbath you are doing His will and you will know the truth about the doctrine, whether it be of Him or not. The Holy Spirit will not quicken in you what you don't want.

You are presuming that what you have understood from the scriptures and/or from your ministers is what God has intended. What God intends is what He speaks to each believer. You may or may not know what He has spoken to you. That depends on your ability to see and hear. Those abilities are dependent on your connection to the Head of the Body [Jesus] through the Holy Ghost. You do not know what He has spoken to me.
He has one will for His people as far as obedience is concerned. It is not His will that some believers abstain from adultery, but others are free to commit adultery. Why would it be any different for the Sabbath? The Sabbath is for all mankind (Mark 2:27). We can all partake of its blessings.

There are many Christian denominations because people are following people who do not know their own part, much less the part of so many others. We are not all to be the same part of the Body of Christ with the same function. Don't pretend to know the function of others when you do not. Ask God to help you understand and do fully your own part.
Yes, some are feet and some are hands, etc., but ALL must abide in the Body within the parameters that YHWH commands. A foot cannot steal while the hand is free to steal. Every believer in the Body of Messiah is to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Yeshua (Revelation 14:12).
 

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We have been given the Holy Spirit to empower us to obey. It is a function of the Holy Spirit under the New Covenant to cause us to obey YHWH's Torah which has been written on our hearts and minds (Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Sabbath day is part of that Torah. Rejecting the Sabbath is rejecting the leading of the Holy Spirit. That is not good.

The Holy Spirit is that which provides us with "eyes to see" and "ears to hear" . Otherwise we are blind and deaf to the things of God, which includes what is written in inspired scriptures.

The yoke was not obeying Moses or getting circumcised. The yoke was doing those things in order to be saved.

The unequal yoke is that which binds people to the wrong things, which never accomplish things worthwhile in the eyes of God. The yoke of Jesus is the easy Way of God. [ Matt 11:28-30 ]

No, you should not follow another. You should follow Yeshua as he follows his Father and does His will. It is Father YHWH's will to keep His Sabbath Day holy and not defile it by working on that day. If you obey Yeshua, then do as he says and do good on the Sabbath Day. He was referring to the 7th day of the week. We do good on that day by obeying YHWH and not working. There are also many other ways to do good on the Sabbath, but when we change the Sabbath from the 7th day to the first day or abolish it altogether, we do EVIL.
We are to do good every day. This is what Jesus did and we are to be like Him. He did His Father's work every day. The seventh day called the sabbath was a type or shadow of Jesus Himself and men attempted unsuccessfully to even stay within its boundaries.

But we have no type or shadow limitation. We have the real thing now with the means provide to be able to go where no one had been able since man was placed outside the Garden of Eden.

Men following Moses were to obey as per the law written on stone tablets. We are to obey as per the Holy Ghost within us as per the Word when and if it is written on our hearts. Do not presume what is written on a man's heart is equal to what was written on those stone tablets.
 

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The unequal yoke is that which binds people to the wrong things, which never accomplish things worthwhile in the eyes of God. The yoke of Jesus is the easy Way of God. [ Matt 11:28-30 ]

Yeshua was and is a Sabbath keeper. When we are yoked to him, we do as he did among which is keeping the Sabbath holy.

We are to do good every day. This is what Jesus did and we are to be like Him. He did His Father's work every day. The seventh day called the sabbath was a type or shadow of Jesus Himself and men attempted unsuccessfully to even stay within its boundaries.
Yeshua gives us a spiritual rest, not a physical rest. Nor does he give animals such as oxen and mules a physical rest. They need the Sabbath rest just as much as we do, but when men refuse to keep the Sabbath, they deny their animals and their employees the rest they deserve.

But we have no type or shadow limitation. We have the real thing now with the means provide to be able to go where no one had been able since man was placed outside the Garden of Eden.
Paul said the Sabbaths and holy days "are" shadows of things "to come", not that they "were" shadows of things "that came". He wrote that about 30 years after Yeshua ascended to heaven. Therefore, Yeshua is NOT the reality of the Sabbath rest. It is yet to come (the Millennial Kingdom rest - 6,000 years of work on this earth and 1,000 years of rest to fulfill the weekly type of 6 days work and one day of rest).

Men following Moses were to obey as per the law written on stone tablets. We are to obey as per the Holy Ghost within us as per the Word when and if it is written on our hearts. Do not presume what is written on a man's heart is equal to what was written on those stone tablets.
Jeremiah 31:33 - But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my TORAH in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
There is only one Torah and it includes the Sabbath. I presume nothing. That is what is to be written on hearts and minds under the New Covenant.
 

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Yeshua was and is a Sabbath keeper. When we are yoked to him, we do as he did among which is keeping the Sabbath holy.

He was a Sabbath keeper until He paid a price on the cross and the Holy Ghost was poured out on whosoever will thereafter. Jesus walked under the law given to Moses even though He was Lord of it. Once He had paid the price it was possible to move from the shadow world to the real world.


Yeshua gives us a spiritual rest, not a physical rest. Nor does he give animals such as oxen and mules a physical rest. They need the Sabbath rest just as much as we do, but when men refuse to keep the Sabbath, they deny their animals and their employees the rest they deserve.

Physically we are all dying. That has not changed. Our flesh will finally rest and return to the dust. There is however a "new man" who will never die and who requires no rest as men rest.

Paul said the Sabbaths and holy days "are" shadows of things "to come", not that they "were" shadows of things "that came". He wrote that about 30 years after Yeshua ascended to heaven. Therefore, Yeshua is NOT the reality of the Sabbath rest. It is yet to come (the Millennial Kingdom rest - 6,000 years of work on this earth and 1,000 years of rest to fulfill the weekly type of 6 days work and one day of rest).

If we are "in Him", then He is the reality for us. That is the only reality that there is. When time ceases then only reality will remain. Anyone not in reality will not be.


Jeremiah 31:33 - But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my TORAH in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
There is only one Torah and it includes the Sabbath. I presume nothing. That is what is to be written on hearts and minds under the New Covenant.
The "Torah" is simply the statutes or law of God. What is that? It is not what you think. It is what God thinks. You continue trying to be what you consider literal but that is why Caleb and Joshua made it into the Promised Land and the others died in the wilderness. They had a hope that was beyond simply literally obeying the written laws.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2
 

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All Commandments – written or spoken for obedience to God have been transformed and manifested in the heart it is now spiritual and continual. MADE MORE PERFECT!

Circumcision is now not physical is it is now of the heart, sanctification is spiritual…continual

Sabbath of rest is now not a physical day or segment of time, it is now in the heart, peace and refreshment toward our Lord and salvation is spiritual…continual.

Animal sacrifice is now not a physical act, it is now in the heart caused by Jesus our Savior, faith to justification is spiritual…continual

Keeping a specific day of worship detracts and degrades from the person and spirit of Jesus. It also mentally entertains and teases/tempts the heart with the idea that works are necessary or sufficient to do the will of God.

This is another real reason why I do not do ‘church’ anymore.

Jesus never rested on the ‘Sabbath’ day, he worked, preached, picked food and performed miracles and was severely criticized for it. If it was good enough for my Lord, then it is ok for me.

This is another Jesus plus ritual, an indefensible argument.

I won’t entertain or even consider the idea that Paul and the apostles kept this day as an only preaching no-work day and laid low. How do you know they never worked on that day besides preaching or listening to scripture in a temple? They used that day as the most convenient day to socialize and do other tasks – it was of course the previous long-standing ritual holy day before Christ under the law.

Knock yourselves out over which day, Saturday or Sunday, is the ‘day of rest’ – it is irrelevant to me as believer in Christ.

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Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of YHWH thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11
Are you among those who have forgotten the Sabbath day, who don't keep it holy and who have been losing out on the special blessing of rest for those who keep it?

I would like to help you understand the Sabbath commandment (the fourth of the Ten Commandments). Not that I know it all concerning the Sabbath, but I have learned much about it over my 32 years of keeping it. If you have any Scriptures that you believe abolish the Sabbath or change it to a different day (most commonly Sunday), feel free to post them here and we can hopefully discuss them in a mature way. One thing I would ask is that you don't throw multiple verses/passages at me. That accomplishes nothing. Post one or two verses or passages to discuss and then we can move on to the next one.

I have posted Exodus 20:8-11 to get us started. Does anyone here believe the blessing upon and holiness of the Sabbath have been removed by YHWH, Yeshua or any apostle? If so, please quote their words.

From the above the Sabbath is the last day of that week.

13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

It is better to do good always for in doing good you also will be clean. Not just on the Sabbath. It is God that took it away. The Holy One of Israel is Jesus above just so you know.
 

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He was a Sabbath keeper until He paid a price on the cross and the Holy Ghost was poured out on whosoever will thereafter. Jesus walked under the law given to Moses even though He was Lord of it. Once He had paid the price it was possible to move from the shadow world to the real world.

Since the Sabbath will be kept in the new heavens and new earth (Isaiah 66:23), Yeshua will continue to be Lord of the Sabbath.

Physically we are all dying. That has not changed. Our flesh will finally rest and return to the dust. There is however a "new man" who will never die and who requires no rest as men rest.
The literal new man who need no rest is the one resurrected unto eternal life. The new man by faith needs rest. That is why we still sleep, but sleep is not the only rest available.

If we are "in Him", then He is the reality for us. That is the only reality that there is. When time ceases then only reality will remain. Anyone not in reality will not be.
Yes, he is our reality, but he is not the reality of the Sabbath or the unfulfilled holy days according to Paul. The reality is yet "to come".



The "Torah" is simply the statutes or law of God. What is that? It is not what you think. It is what God thinks. You continue trying to be what you consider literal but that is why Caleb and Joshua made it into the Promised Land and the others died in the wilderness. They had a hope that was beyond simply literally obeying the written laws.
God thinks His Torah includes the Sabbath.

My hope of the promised land is through faith in Yeshua, but while I'm in the wilderness on my way to the promised land, I will keep the Almighty's laws.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2
Yes, He does. I have a heart that obeys Him out of love and it is a sweet smelling aroma to Him. My ways are YHWH's ways which is verified by keeping His commandments. I do not exalt my own traditions over His commandments.
 

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@gadar perets

It was nice to exchange a our several words here but we are really so far apart as make it very difficult to continue. My assessment of where you are is not all negative, but I cannot pursue it further for more reasons than that. God judges with regard to our doctrines, I believe, only insofar as they impact what is in our hearts. At our heart He looks much more closely.
 
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All Commandments – written or spoken for obedience to God have been transformed and manifested in the heart it is now spiritual and continual. MADE MORE PERFECT!
They are indeed in the heart, but they are not spiritualized so that they are no longer literal as well. We can still literally commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, worship idols, etc. We can also literally break the literal Sabbath day.

Circumcision is now not physical is it is now of the heart, sanctification is spiritual…continual
Then why did Paul join himself to the men with vows on them in Acts 21? He did that to prove the accusations against him that he was teaching the believing Jews who were zealous for the law to no longer circumcise their children were false. In other words, the BELIEVING Jews were to continue circumcising their children contrary to your claim that physical circumcision is now of the heart. Circumcision of the heart existed throughout the OT along with physical circumcision.

Sabbath of rest is now not a physical day or segment of time, it is now in the heart, peace and refreshment toward our Lord and salvation is spiritual…continual.
Wishful thinking. Explain why time will be kept in the new heavens and new earth using new moons and Sabbaths (Isaiah 66:23).

Animal sacrifice is now not a physical act, it is now in the heart caused by Jesus our Savior, faith to justification is spiritual…continual
How do you explain the sacrifices in Ezekiel's temple (40-48) and in Zechariah 14 which seem to take place during the Millennium?

Keeping a specific day of worship detracts and degrades from the person and spirit of Jesus. It also mentally entertains and teases/tempts the heart with the idea that works are necessary or sufficient to do the will of God.
That is an excuse Sabbath breakers use to combat Sabbath keeping. How can it detract and degrade Yeshua if we are obeying his words to do good on the Sabbath? Are we suppose to do good on an imaginary day in our hearts?

This is another real reason why I do not do ‘church’ anymore.
I don't do "church" anymore either, for doctrinal reasons.

Jesus never rested on the ‘Sabbath’ day, he worked, preached, picked food and performed miracles and was severely criticized for it. If it was good enough for my Lord, then it is ok for me.
You have no proof of that whatsoever. The fact that he was sinless proves he NEVER did forbidden work on Sabbath, but rested from his works instead. The spiritual work he did on Sabbath like healing and working other miracles was never forbidden by YHWH.

This is another Jesus plus ritual, an indefensible argument.
I never proclaimed Yeshua plus anything. We are saved by grace through faith and nothing more, but obedience to YHWH's commands, including ALL Ten Commandments, MUST be a fruit of our salvation. We were ordained unto good works which include keeping the commandments.

I won’t entertain or even consider the idea that Paul and the apostles kept this day as an only preaching no-work day and laid low. How do you know they never worked on that day besides preaching or listening to scripture in a temple? They used that day as the most convenient day to socialize and do other tasks – it was of course the previous long-standing ritual holy day before Christ under the law.
I know they kept it holy because there is NO command anywhere in Scripture that they were free to work on it. Peter would not even eat anything common or unclean long after Yeshua ascended. Peter and Paul were among all the other believing Jews who were "zealous for the law". It wasn't until the core Jewish believers died off leaving predominantly Gentile converts that Sabbath keeping fell away. It is as Paul prophesied; that after his departure grievous wolves would not spare the flock.

Knock yourselves out over which day, Saturday or Sunday, is the ‘day of rest’ – it is irrelevant to me as believer in Christ.

APAK
To bad for you bro. Just out of curiosity, are the other nine of the Ten Commandments also irrelevant to you? If you are a Pastor, then I KNOW tithing is not irrelevant to you ;)
 

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From the above the Sabbath is the last day of that week.

13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

It is better to do good always for in doing good you also will be clean. Not just on the Sabbath. It is God that took it away.
YHWH was disgusted with Israel's observance of the Sabbath because their hearts were not right. If you choose to believe the Sabbath was taken away for us today based on this passage, then you must also believe He took away "the calling of assemblies" (church services) and prayer.

The Holy One of Israel is Jesus above just so you know.
The prophecy in Isaiah 1 was given by YHWH, the Holy One of Israel (Isaiah 1:4; 10:20; 30:15). And who is YHWH? Psalm 2:7 says YHWH is Yeshua's Father.
 

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It was nice to exchange a our several words here but we are really so far apart as make it very difficult to continue. My assessment of where you are is not all negative, but I cannot pursue it further for more reasons than that. God judges with regard to our doctrines, I believe, only insofar as they impact what is in our hearts. At our heart He looks much more closely.
The defense of the truth and YHWH's ways is what is in my heart. If you cannot continue further, so be it.
 

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They are indeed in the heart, but they are not spiritualized so that they are no longer literal as well. We can still literally commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, worship idols, etc. We can also literally break the literal Sabbath day.


Then why did Paul join himself to the men with vows on them in Acts 21? He did that to prove the accusations against him that he was teaching the believing Jews who were zealous for the law to no longer circumcise their children were false. In other words, the BELIEVING Jews were to continue circumcising their children contrary to your claim that physical circumcision is now of the heart. Circumcision of the heart existed throughout the OT along with physical circumcision.


Wishful thinking. Explain why time will be kept in the new heavens and new earth using new moons and Sabbaths (Isaiah 66:23).


How do you explain the sacrifices in Ezekiel's temple (40-48) and in Zechariah 14 which seem to take place during the Millennium?


That is an excuse Sabbath breakers use to combat Sabbath keeping. How can it detract and degrade Yeshua if we are obeying his words to do good on the Sabbath? Are we suppose to do good on an imaginary day in our hearts?


I don't do "church" anymore either, for doctrinal reasons.


You have no proof of that whatsoever. The fact that he was sinless proves he NEVER did forbidden work on Sabbath, but rested from his works instead. The spiritual work he did on Sabbath like healing and working other miracles was never forbidden by YHWH.


I never proclaimed Yeshua plus anything. We are saved by grace through faith and nothing more, but obedience to YHWH's commands, including ALL Ten Commandments, MUST be a fruit of our salvation. We were ordained unto good works which include keeping the commandments.


I know they kept it holy because there is NO command anywhere in Scripture that they were free to work on it. Peter would not even eat anything common or unclean long after Yeshua ascended. Peter and Paul were among all the other believing Jews who were "zealous for the law". It wasn't until the core Jewish believers died off leaving predominantly Gentile converts that Sabbath keeping fell away. It is as Paul prophesied; that after his departure grievous wolves would not spare the flock.


To bad for you bro. Just out of curiosity, are the other nine of the Ten Commandments also irrelevant to you? If you are a Pastor, then I KNOW tithing is not irrelevant to you ;)

gadar perets:

I will just address your last nonsensical statement: “….are the other nine of the Ten Commandments also irrelevant to you?...”

I cannot but be firm on this ignorant backlash …here’s the straight skinny…

I’ve just stated that ALL commandments including the 10 famous written commandments, including the Sabbath, are all relevant and are consciously carried and imprinted in the hearts of believers; BOTH mental/heartfelt and literal/by the act of obedience or disobedience of any of them. So what part don’t you understand in this statement I just made where you have to say I’m ignoring the other 9 commandments? If you are truthful you cannot. So why do you persist in this ridiculous line.

I believe you had separated the Sabbath commandment from the rest and you are willfully disobeyed the word of God. You have learned from others that you should make the Sabbath commandment above the first three commandments, those that directly concern God. You have made an idol of the 4th Sabbath commandment and treat it as if you are under the law; and I guess the other 9 commandments are sustained in your heart, under grace.

You have twisted scripture to support and to conform to your idol. For example, you tie one’s faith in Jesus as one’s allegiance to a Saturday Sabbath day.

Do you believe that you are a believer solely based on you keeping the Saturday as the Sabbath Day above all other commandments? And do you believe that your ‘Christian’ walk is based on your allegiance to this Saturday idol.

If you say yes to both, you belong to a cult that is destructive to your soul. I hope you revisit was you have faith in...

APAK
 

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gadar perets:

I will just address your last nonsensical statement: “….are the other nine of the Ten Commandments also irrelevant to you?...”

I cannot but be firm on this ignorant backlash …here’s the straight skinny…

I’ve just stated that ALL commandments including the 10 famous written commandments, including the Sabbath, are all relevant and are consciously carried and imprinted in the hearts of believers; BOTH mental/heartfelt and literal/by the act of obedience or disobedience of any of them. So what part don’t you understand in this statement I just made where you have to say I’m ignoring the other 9 commandments? If you are truthful you cannot. So why do you persist in this ridiculous line.
First, you are attacking me personally in your post even though I made no such attacks on you. Second, you have woefully misunderstood my words. Third, you make wild assumptions about me with no basis in fact. I never said you are ignoring the other nine commandments. You said the "day of rest" was irrelevant to you. I simply wanted to know if you felt the same way about the other nine. A yes or no answer would have sufficed.

I believe you had separated the Sabbath commandment from the rest and you are willfully disobeyed the word of God. You have learned from others that you should make the Sabbath commandment above the first three commandments, those that directly concern God. You have made an idol of the 4th Sabbath commandment and treat it as if you are under the law; and I guess the other 9 commandments are sustained in your heart, under grace.
Funny. I keep the Sabbath and every other command I believe pertains to me, yet I am willfully disobeying the word of God. You break the Sabbath every week and annual holy days every year. It is you who disobey the word of God, albeit ignorantly because you are sadly deceived.
Nor do I exalt the Sabbath over the first three commandments or make an idol of it. That is simply you attacking me rather than my message. Very childish and carnal. Nor am I under the law which really means I am not under its condemnation. Christians like to say they are not under the law, but then they also say they obey the other nine commandments. However, when someone keeps the Sabbath commandment, then the accusations about being under the law come out. How come they don't think they are under the law by keeping the other nine?

You have twisted scripture to support and to conform to your idol. For example, you tie one’s faith in Jesus as one’s allegiance to a Saturday Sabbath day.
Where have I done that? Quote my words. Christians may have faith in Jesus, but they live in sin at the same time by breaking the Sabbath every week. It has nothing to do with me idolizing the Sabbath, but of you pretending you are not guilty of polluting the Sabbath every week.

Do you believe that you are a believer solely based on you keeping the Saturday as the Sabbath Day above all other commandments?
Of course not. I am a believer through faith in Yeshua.

And do you believe that your ‘Christian’ walk is based on your allegiance to this Saturday idol.
Of course not. My Sabbath keeping is simply a fruit of my salvation. YHWH confirmed that truth to me through the gift of prophecy spoken by a Sunday keeping Pastor.

If you say yes to both, you belong to a cult that is destructive to your soul. I hope you revisit was you have faith in...

APAK
True men of faith will not only have faith in Yeshua, but they will also keep the commandments of God (Revelation 14:12).
 

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not so much that as that a different symbology is used, establishment or determinist doctrine v the dialectic symbology the Bible was written in, and can be read that way if you like. They made their choice, and you make yours. Seek your own salvation, or seek theirs. Stay inside the camp, or go outside it. Be the one taken, or the one left. Hmm, how many other ways are there to put it i wonder...leave the world, or stay in it, i mean do we need to argue whether the RCC is in the world or not? Or the UPCI, or any of the others? What institution means, iow?

See, this is a good thing to you, right, institutions?
so we would just be arguing at cross purposes
You seek salvation thru your interpretation of the Bible. Some men twist the Bible to their own destruction. I seek my salvation thru The Churches interpretation which is the pillar and foundation of truth.

The Holy Spirit guided you to the correct interpretation but didn’t guide The Church? You rely on a man (yourself) I rely on men of The Church. Stay inside your camp of one. I will stay inside the camp of the greatest Christian theologians that ever lived and the billions who have found the truth.

No we don’t need to argue that. Only God knows the answer. Not you.

You say institution. I say Church that Jesus started upon a rock. You don’t seem to be a rock to me. The Church has been a rock for 2,000 years. I will stick with the rock.

Mary
 

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"No one", in that passage, refers to people outside the Body of Messiah. Look at the context of Colossians 2. In verses 4 and 8 Paul warns the Colossians about deceivers. Then again, in verse 18, Paul gives his final warning about these same deceivers. In what way were they trying to deceive the Colossians? Verse 8 tells us that they were trying to exalt the traditions of men over the Messiah (verses 8 & 19). Notice carefully the context; the traditions of men in verse 8, 18, and 22. The verses that occur between 8 and 22 must be understood based on the context of the traditions of men.

It was the deceivers of verses 4,8, and 18 that were judging the Colossians regarding the things mentioned in verse 16. They had been imposing their man-made commandments and traditions upon the Colossians. Paul told them not to allow anyone to judge them concerning those matters. An important addition was made in the KJV that does not appear in any Greek manuscript. The word "is " in verse 17 was added, which changes the meaning of Paul's statement. That is why it is written in italics. Retaining the word "is" implies the thought of shadow vs. reality. In other words, Messiah fulfilled the shadow of the things mentioned in verse 16. However, if you remove the added word "is", it implies that we should not let any man outside the body of Messiah judge us in respect to these things. Indeed that is in line with the context of Paul's previous statements. Notice Colossians 1:18 & 24 and Colossians 2:19, all of which teach us that the body of Messiah is the church or all true believers.

Verse 17 states that these things "are" a shadow of things "to come" not that they "were" a shadow that was now fulfilled. Paul wrote this epistle approximately 30 years after Messiah's death and resurrection and yet he still spoke of them as unfulfilled shadows of something in the future.


If your son's birthday falls on a Wednesday, do you celebrate every Wednesday as his birthday? The ONLY reason he resurrected on a Sunday was because he fulfilled the shadow of the wave sheaf offering of Leviticus 23: 9-11 which took place on Abib 16 (the first day of the week that particular year).

The two on the way to Emmaus were not having a worship service. Yeshua also appeared to the disciples on a Monday (John 20:26). Now what? Should we make all Mondays holy days as well? The ONLY reason the Holy Spirit descended on the first of the week is because that is when the 50th day fell from Abib 16 that year according to Jewish reckoning which is what Yeshua followed. Had Yeshua resurrected the following year, he would have resurrected on a different day of the week and Pentecost would have fallen on a different day of the week.


Because he would not allow such heavy work to be done on the Sabbath. They were not collecting money, but food for the starving brethren.


Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,​

They loved each other and wanted to fellowship DAILY, not just on Sundays. Breaking bread together took place on every day. Perhaps we should all start having communion every day?


Here come the personal attacks. Congratulations on lasting this long without getting personal. Yes, Paul was preaching at a Jewish synagogue on the Sabbath, but the Gentiles wanted to hear him the next Sabbath, not the next Sunday.
Thank you for your response. Nothing you said changes The Truth everything you said changes 2,000 years of Christian teaching and practice. You have joined the tradition of men who started this 500 year old theory you have expressed. No need for me to respond since it will be one big circle.

Are you accusing me of personal attacks?

Mary
 

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While he @bbyrd009 or any man has time, he has the dominion over his own direction... even if he chooses the wrong direction, same as you, same as me. The only supreme authority anywhere is God. But for an allotted time period, God gave man the rule over himself. Every man or woman except Jesus has used that authority to disobey what God has spoken. The only Way to always go right is to always obey God. The only way any man can always obey God is to always hear His voice and to always obey His voice.
I heard his voice. He said eat consecrated bread in remembrance of Him. Do you?

Curios Mary
 

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I seek my salvation thru The Churches interpretation which is the pillar and foundation of truth.
we have a different definition of Church, Mary. Yours is an institution.
The Holy Spirit guided you to the correct interpretation but didn’t guide The Church?
well that is not the Church, but yes, to strong delusion, and strange gospel, that is what institutions of men do, after all
perverts in this scenario would be the symptoms, obviously there are no perverts in the Church

i know the wolves will come in as soon as i leave, not sparing the flock
 
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