Trump to help Jewish People Build their 3RD. Temple??

[Enoch111]

You are using the book of Revelation like a Rorschach test. You interpret it according to what you want to see, and not according to what it says.

That accusation would apply to you. So tell us -- kind sir -- whether we are already living in the New Heavens and the New Earth. And present appropriate proof.

 

[Dave L]

That accusation would apply to you. So tell us -- kind sir -- whether we are already living in the New Heavens and the New Earth. And present appropriate proof.

If you learn about the spiritual nature of the Kingdom from Jesus in the gospels, it rules out a physical millennium. This provides a basis for interpreting Revelation. It also means those who force a physical kingdom into Revelation are adding to the book.

The new heavens and earth, by Jesus' own words are the restoration of Israel. Israel = believers restored in the resurrection on the last day, in the New Heavens and earth. Once you prove this to yourself from scripture, you can understand the symbolic nature of Revelation. And instead of looking for the symbols to appear, you can ask what they mean, and see their fulfillment taking place between Jesus' first and second advent, followed by the symbols for the New Heavens and Earth in vv 21 ff.

 

[Dave L]

"Bias" and Intellectual Dishonesty goes hand in hand, and obviously both of your hands are "full". Please consider dropping what's in them and opening them to the TRUTH of Scripture and History. Specifically, if you were to explain who EACH of the Rev. 13 "seven heads" were, we could start a conversation, -- but it seems you may not be up to it.


Bobby Jo

If you learn about the spiritual nature of the Kingdom from Jesus in the gospels, it rules out a physical millennium. This provides a basis for interpreting Revelation. It also means those who force a physical kingdom into Revelation are adding to the book.

The new heavens and earth, by Jesus' own words are the restoration of Israel. Israel = believers restored in the resurrection on the last day, in the New Heavens and earth. Once you prove this to yourself from scripture, you can understand the symbolic nature of Revelation. And instead of looking for the symbols to appear, you can ask what they mean, and see their fulfillment taking place between Jesus' first and second advent, followed by the symbols for the New Heavens and Earth in vv 21 ff.

 

[07-07-07]

Anti-christ will sit in the PHYSICAL 3rd. temple and tell the world that he is GOD

Yes, Scripture supports this. However, I'm persuaded to believe that the rapture of the Saints will occur at the 7th trumpet. Notice the words: mystery and last trump in these verses.
1 Corinthians 15
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation 10
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound (the last trumpet), the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[07-07-07]

Their hearts will fail them for fear

The hearts of secular people around the world are failing them right now. Climate change has them petrified. It's going to only get worse, too.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Anti-christ will sit in the PHYSICAL 3rd. temple and tell the world that he is GOD

Yes, Scripture supports this. ..

Ummmmm, doctrines support this. Scripture DOES NOT.


Bobby Jo

 

[Waiting on him]

The hearts of secular people around the world are failing them right now. Climate change has them petrified. It's going to only get worse, too.

Ok.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... the spiritual nature ... rules out a physical millennium ...

Isn't it funny that when LITERAL Scripture depicts tangible events, -- past, present, & future --, that people who don't obey GOD revert to "spiritualization" to avoid the FACTS.

It's more than cults that do this, it even creeps into the church. And those who KNOW their GOD have no problem not only able to discern the lies, but they can refute the FALSE doctrines. -- Unfortunately there are many who are "christians" in name only who fall prey to such nonsense, whether willingly or by deception. And it's incumbent that TRUE Christians stand against FALSE doctrines so that some of the gullible DON'T fall into their snares.


Bobby Jo

 

[Dave L]

Isn't it funny that when LITERAL Scripture depicts tangible events, -- past, present, & future --, that people who don't obey GOD revert to "spiritualization" to avoid the FACTS.

It's more than cults that do this, it even creeps into the church. And those who KNOW their GOD have no problem not only able to discern the lies, but they can refute the FALSE doctrines. -- Unfortunately there are many who are "christians" in name only who fall prey to such nonsense, whether willingly or by deception. And it's incumbent that TRUE Christians stand against FALSE doctrines so that some of the gullible DON'T fall into their snares.


Bobby Jo

If you begin with Jesus, and take what he says literally, you cannot take Revelation literally without destroying it. He says the kingdom is purely spiritual. You add to Revelation when you make it physical.

 

[Bobby Jo]

If you begin with Jesus, and take what he says literally, you cannot take Revelation literally without destroying it. He says the kingdom is purely spiritual. You add to Revelation when you make it physical.

If you begin with Nebuchadnezzar's sequence of world empires, all your spiritualization, false doctrines, and false assertions FAIL. And by taking away from Revelation, there ARE consequences:

Rev. 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.​

But that's ok, I'm quite confident your "church" will save you from any accountability. As you stand before GOD, just blame your "church", and you won't have to worry about all the things you asserted that weren't true!

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, since you know that we will be judged more severely.​

Bobby Jo

 

[Enoch111]

The new heavens and earth, by Jesus' own words are the restoration of Israel.

You are one THOROUGHLY CONFUSED individual. You should sit down with someone who knows their Bible, and knows the truth, and ask them to teach you everything from scratch.

 

[Bobby Jo]

You are one THOROUGHLY CONFUSED individual. You should sit down with someone who knows their Bible, and knows the truth, and ask them to teach you everything from scratch.

How's that old saying end, -- Put up or ... -- I forget.

So did you want to explain EXACTLY WHO the Rev. 13 SEVEN HEADS are, or did you have something else to say, -- like a slander?!?


Bobby Jo

 

[CoreIssue]

How's that old saying end, -- Put up or ... -- I forget.

So did you want to explain EXACTLY WHO the Rev. 13 SEVEN HEADS are, or did you have something else to say, -- like a slander?!?


Bobby Jo

The Bible says five were:

Babylon - 2
Medo-Persia - 2
Greece - 1

One is:

Rome

One is yet to come:

Rome split into two legs, adding one

The little horn is an eighth king

So there you have four beasts and the statue

The eighth will rise from the 10 toes which are reunited to make the kingdom of the AC to whom they give their authority.

The Greece head is Alexander the great, which on the beast was wounded to death and which Alexander died by a head wound.

He also fits the description of the AC.

But of course since he cannot be resurrected it is the demon that possessed him and possesses the AC.

For proof check out the unclean frog like spirits in the sixth bowl.

 

[Enoch111]

So did you want to explain EXACTLY WHO the Rev. 13 SEVEN HEADS

No one knows at this point, but they are seven nations or kingdom associated with the Antichrist.

 

[Bobby Jo]

So did you want to explain EXACTLY WHO the Rev. 13 SEVEN HEADS are ... ?

No one knows at this point, but they are seven nations or kingdom associated with the Antichrist.

Please correct your post to reflect that YOU do not know.


Bobby Jo

 

[Dave L]

You are one THOROUGHLY CONFUSED individual. You should sit down with someone who knows their Bible, and knows the truth, and ask them to teach you everything from scratch.

If you could provide even one direct quote from scripture backing any of your Dispensationalist claims, I would take your insult to heart and make personal changes.

 

[Dave L]

If you begin with Nebuchadnezzar's sequence of world empires, all your spiritualization, false doctrines, and false assertions FAIL. And by taking away from Revelation, there ARE consequences:

Rev. 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.​

But that's ok, I'm quite confident your "church" will save you from any accountability. As you stand before GOD, just blame your "church", and you won't have to worry about all the things you asserted that weren't true!

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, since you know that we will be judged more severely.​

Bobby Jo

Your insults are no substitute for solid bible exegesis. Jesus said the Kingdom is spiritual. Therefore the physical millennium theory = false prophecy and it adds to Revelation.

 

[Taken]

See....here's my HUGE problem with what you're pushing. You're saying that "Rapture = worthy to escape suffering". Ipso facto....if you are a 'real Christian' you will escape suffering by the Rapture.
That is both a horrendous insult, and, quite frankly, just a joke in the face of reality, to the millions of Christians around the world who face persecution, suffering and death daily for the name of Christ.

Sure they do. It is historical knowledge Men in Faith in Christ the Lord Jesus would be persecuted.....
AT THE HANDS OF OTHER MEN.

End of days SUFFERING; is about Persecution....
BY THE anti-Christ being GIVEN GREAT POWER

But when you long to skip out of 'suffering' instead of just longing to see the face of him who redeemed you, your doctrine...and those that have taught it to you...are beyond broken.

"SKIP out of "suffering"?

The "SUFFERING" shall be effected IN THE END of these days; "BY the WRATH of the LAMB and the Wrath of GOD forward;" Giving the anti-Christ Power OVER people who REJECT Christ...

Sound like you are implying enough Christians have not been EQUALLY persecuted, and those Christians not EQUALLY persecuted should be "Greatly Persecuted", and not be Lifted up above the coming Wrath, UNTIL there is some sort of EQUAL Persecution of all Christians.

"IF" a man IS IN Christ, regardless of the EXTENT of Persecution a man in Christ has suffered at the hands of Other men....
ALL IN Christ Shall be Lifted UP above the earth, and NOT SUBJECT TO WRATH.

Measuring which Christians are MORE Persecuted than other Christians is irrelevant.
A day of SEPARATION of the Converted IN Christ is coming, in the manner prescribed IN Scripture.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Jesus said the Kingdom is spiritual. ....

Yep, when you get hungry, pray that your spiritual food will suffice. And when you are too weak to stand, pray that your spiritual body will be strengthened. And when they haul your body away, at least it will be as light as a "spirit".

Good Job,
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Greece - 1 ...
... Rome split into two legs , adding one ...

Apparently physiology is not your strong point. The thighs (Greece) are split.

Thus ... Greece - 2 ...


Perhaps Math is ALSO not your strong point ...

Bobby Jo