Trump to help Jewish People Build their 3RD. Temple??

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Bobby Jo

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... his empire being divided between four of his generals: Cassander, Ptolemy, Antigonus, and Seleucus (known as The Diadochi or `successors'). ...

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. ...(Alexander) had left not one but several strong men behind him, and none could be content with less than sovereignty. ... After some minor trials at arms which disposed of lesser contenders, they divided the empire into five parts -- Antipater taking Macedonia and Greece, Lysimachus Thrace, Antigonus Asia Minor, Seleucus Babylonea, and Ptolemy Egypt.”[1]

[1] Durant, Will, “Story of Civilization: Part I,” Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 557-558

... which lasted 40 years.


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Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.

You have no clue. -- The verse, if better rendered should read: The kingdom of heaven is obtain by pursuit, and pursuers take it by ardent action.



But you have your own agenda, so please be content with the results ... :)
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Matthew 11:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,a]">[a] and violent people have been raiding it.
 

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FIVE:
. ...(Alexander) had left not one but several strong men behind him, and none could be content with less than sovereignty. ... After some minor trials at arms which disposed of lesser contenders, they divided the empire into five parts -- Antipater taking Macedonia and Greece, Lysimachus Thrace, Antigonus Asia Minor, Seleucus Babylonea, and Ptolemy Egypt.”[1]

[1] Durant, Will, “Story of Civilization: Part I,” Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 557-558

... which lasted 40 years.


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I guess you do not realize a lot more has been discovered since 1954.

I gave you a history link and you don't like it. There are a lot more in agreement with but you don't care.

National Geographic is a major funder of archaeology. You reject them and the archaeologists and others they fund.

I posted the Bible verses. Clearly says four heads and four wings and the third beast.

I also proved Rome split into East and West Rome.

Of course history didn't stop that point. Any more then it stopped when Rome collapsed into 10 nations.
 
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Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.

You have no clue. -- The verse, if better rendered should read: The kingdom of heaven is obtain by pursuit, and pursuers take it by ardent action.



But you have your own agenda, so please be content with the results ... :)
Bobby Jo
biastḗs. biastás occurs as an adjective for “strong” or “brave,” and we also find words like biastéon, biazómenos, and bíaioi denoting violence, but biastḗs (“violent man,”) seems to occur for the first time in Mt. 11:12, where it refers most naturally to those who violently assault the divine rule and snatch it away from others. [G. SCHRENK, I, 609–14]

Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (p. 106). Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans.
 

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Sadly, you have provided the proof of another person who has placed very different interpretations on the scriptures that I had also used and has come to a completely different conclusion to what I have come to.

He start with his conclusion and then formed his argument around that conclusion by using scriptural interpretation to support his POV.

So what you have provided is a false argument to support your POV.

Sorry.
 

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Sadly, you have provided the proof of another person who has placed very different interpretations on the scriptures that I had also used and has come to a completely different conclusion to what I have come to.

He start with his conclusion and then formed his argument around that conclusion by using scriptural interpretation to support his POV.

So what you have provided is a false argument to support your POV.

Sorry.

All you provided was your POV.
 

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Yep, when you get hungry, pray that your spiritual food will suffice. And when you are too weak to stand, pray that your spiritual body will be strengthened. And when they haul your body away, at least it will be as light as a "spirit".

Good Job,
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1 Peter 3:13-15 KJV
[13] And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? [14] But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye : and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; [15] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 

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I have NO idea what you just posted. -- The issue is whether the "world" is SPIRITUAL or physical. And if I understand Scripture and History correct, Jesus did NOT die a SPIRITUAL death. HE DIED ON A PHYSICAL CROSS, and suffered PHYSICAL PAIN.


Whew,
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Not just the antichrist. Jesus told us that persecution and suffering would be normal in the interadvental period. Matt 24 lists numerous things that will be normal, but increasing during this time; persecution for our faith is but one of them. But we are also told these things about suffering:

Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. -Acts 5:41

Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, -Romans 5:3–4

and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. -Romans 8:17

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. -Romans 8:18

For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, -Philippians 1:29

Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ -Philippians 3:8


What should we make of all these verses? Well...I suppose one could decide Christians were seeking out suffering and then 'enjoying' it when it comes. And...I don't think that is the purpose or intent of these verses. We are being told that, just as the world rejected, hated and persecuted Christ, it will do the same to his people. Thus, we can expect suffering. And while it will never be fun, we can know we are receiving it because we are following in the footsteps of our Lord...and indeed, that brings joy, does it not?
And then, when in the suffering, in the midst, we are not masochistic, but when we have something so much greater to set our eyes upon, great strength, endurance and even joy can be achieved in even the hardest of times.



I think you miss my point. Persecution...the sort that is in the world now...even the sort that is coming and of Satan...will only ever be dolled out in portion and upon those whom God allows it. It is completely in his hands. So if some go through life, as indeed some have, and experience no persecution, while others live with nothing but, then that is God's sovereign hand and we praise him regardless.
However, I have heard many, many Dispensational teachers who joke...joke, mind you, about "flying away before the brown stuff hits the fan". In their mind, sitting in their comfortable churches with cushioned chairs and air conditioned comfort and speaking to the crowds that will go home and eat a full dinner and then play golf or spend the afternoon watching TV, they believe that God will take them away before their world comes crumbling down around them, safe in the knowledge that THEY can't be expected to suffer for the name of Christ. Not that way, anyway! Why? Because they've convinced themselves that that special timeframe they've called the last 7 years is "God's wrath" and therefore their outta here. Forget that their doctrine calls for the fact that most of the persecution in that time will come from unbelievers and that those "saints" who come to faith then will mostly be spared, miraculously, the horrible 'judgements' that God pours upon the earth.
Why do they say that? Because it is a truth that Christ has taken all our wrath and punishment. They can at least recognize that, so they must pass that promise along to those who come to faith in that time. The problem for them is: if God spares the Tribulation Saints from his plagues and such, why the need for the Rapture? If Christians are not spared now from persecution, and won't be 'then'....why the need for the Rapture?
It's just this nice little fantasy they've made up all because they don't want to suffer. But, here's the problem...as the body of Christ, we need to recognize that when one of us suffers, we all share in it:

If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. -1 Corinthians 12:26


Which brings me back to my point: pretending on a fly-away fantasy to avoid a reality that so many of our brothers and sisters are already facing daily is not honoring Christ or the rest of his body.
Well served! This total harmonizes with scripture.
 
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... Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (p. 106). Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans.

Oh, YEAH --:

Matt.13:14 With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says:

‘You shall indeed hear but never understand,
and you shall indeed see but never perceive.


Yep, PLENTY of blind and deaf people who are SO RELIGIOUS, and SO FAR REMOVED FROM GOD! :)


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I have NO idea what you just posted. -- The issue is whether the "world" is SPIRITUAL or physical. And if I understand Scripture and History correct, Jesus did NOT die a SPIRITUAL death. HE DIED ON A PHYSICAL CROSS, and suffered PHYSICAL PAIN.


Whew,
Bobby Jo
Why would I expect any different?
 

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Dave L said:
If you begin with Jesus, and take what he says literally, you cannot take Revelation literally without destroying it. He says the kingdom is purely spiritual. You add to Revelation when you make it physical.

Bobby Jo said:
...The issue is whether the "world" is SPIRITUAL or physical. And if I understand Scripture and History correct, Jesus did NOT die a SPIRITUAL death. HE DIED ON A PHYSICAL CROSS, and suffered PHYSICAL PAIN.

Why would I expect any different?

Apparently you are not following what @Dave L Posted. -- Did you want to have a DIFFERENT conversation, or perhaps Open a NEW Topic? :)


Whew,
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... the PARALLEL UNIVERSE "world", -- just like on the old TV series "Twilight Zone", or "Star Trek", or any other number of similar book or movie presentations! :)


Whew,
Bobby Jo
I was referring to the world without end, the one in scripture.