Great Scripture verses these; but it is still in my humble view mindless legalism to suggest that James 2.2 supposedly bans the wearing of wedding rings, and supposedly demands of preachers that they publicly repudiate their wives' wedding ring gifts.
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Giving a ring to your spouse surely couldn't be called loving the things in the world, could it? I read it the other way -- that the ring means you're giving up pursuing lust with other partners and being faithful with the person you marry.
Are you dodging the question whether wedding rings are wrong?
"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean." Rom 14:14
Brakelite
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I would rather suggest simply bad exegesis. James 2.2 has nothing to do with our topic here. There are numerous scriptures that offer better validation for the rejection of worldly ideals and practices than James 2.2 why anyone would use that beats me.
Just as it beats me why you spend so much time in attempting to validate the wearing off jewelry, cosmetics, tattoos and generally following the ways of the world in appearance and practice.
If someone wants such things, that's between them and God. Some would say God doesn't care and that it has no affect on our salvation. Perhaps true. But what of your neighbors salvation? What is going to attract your neighbor to Christianity if your lifestyle and worldview is no different to his own? Why would he bother with Jesus if your Jesus has no power to make you different from anybody else in the world? The message of scripture is that the gospel changes people. It raises them up to a higher level... Above the cares, the vanity, the loves and lusts that pertain to the world. We are to be separate are we not?
If a young impressionable new convert comes to Christ and is convicted not to partake of those things which you here openly advocate, and comes here and reads your messages which suggest totally the opposite to what the Spirit is telling him, your defensive use of Romans 14 falls as flat as the legalists use of James 2.
Brakelite
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I have no issue with anyone wanting wedding rings. My issue is with a professed Christian who spends a great deal of energy time and focus on promoting worldly ideas and practices on a Christian forum and claiming it to be in harmony with scripture. And he has been doing that for the entire time he has been a member here. I'm surprised I'm the only one who's noticed.
By the way. I'm not the one who brought up wedding rings. Trying to paint me as the legalist is I guess the only option when there is no other argument.
Romans 14:13-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block or a source of temptation in another believer’s way.
I know and am convinced [as one] in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean [ritually defiled, and unholy] in itself; but [nonetheless] it is unclean to anyone who thinks it is unclean.
If your brother is being hurt or offended because of food [that you insist on eating], you are no longer walking in love [toward him].
Do not let what you eat destroy and spiritually harm one for whom Christ died.
Amplified Bible (AMP)
I think that others noticed. Sadly. (It seems that they fell, their consciences seared.... not realizing what was happening)
Brakelite
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During his short two years here Farouk has posted (at a rough count) 4 threads advocating and promoting the wearing off earrings and other paraphernalia on the body.
6 threads advocating and promoting tattoos.
2 threads promoting hard Rock music.
Two threads promoting smoking
In those threads of course are now 10,000 or so posts and counting, supporting those practices.
@farouk what are you trying to accomplish here? What kind of philosophy are you following that compels you to promote so tenaciously those things that the world claims as it's own? I wonder if a modern day Balaam would do any different to leading God's people down a path to destruction?
And there is no doubt you have many supporters here...
KJV 2 Peter 2
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
6 threads advocating and promoting tattoos.
2 threads promoting hard Rock music.
Two threads promoting smoking
In those threads of course are now 10,000 or so posts and counting, supporting those practices.
@farouk what are you trying to accomplish here? What kind of philosophy are you following that compels you to promote so tenaciously those things that the world claims as it's own? I wonder if a modern day Balaam would do any different to leading God's people down a path to destruction?
And there is no doubt you have many supporters here...
KJV 2 Peter 2
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
Note that when Balaam could not curse Israel , he still told the enemy king or army how to get Israel cursed - by tempting and thus causing the men to stumble/sin/ disobey in a way that God had warned them before but they were not strong enough to resist the temptation. (it worked then, it works today)
You're not the only one to notice & generally I believe you are right. To me it is like encouraging people to drink a large bottle of wine because it [a little?] might be good for their ailing stomachs; or to tell someone to swallow whole bottle of pain pills to relieve a slight tension headache.
Exaggeration? Certainly, but that is the point.
I have certainly seen mud slinging fests on some threads here supposedly about the things of God that were worse. They call each other names, but it's for the glory of God, right?
We may point out the problem, but if it is OK with moderators and people want to participate in it, what is the alternative? Another better forum? I really doubt that there is such a thing. I have been on a lot of them and the ones where there was no trouble usually were dead or dying. We can only do what we can do. No arm twisting allowed!
"supporting".... like as in the facebk page by someone named tattoos farouk, marketing all sorts of idolatry and sinfulness for money ?
Too many visitors don't realize how many holes the ship has in its hull..... they get 'tricked' into thinking they can find a 'safe harbor' for truth, for their minds and souls to find rest and fellowship, not seeing ahead of time the great deceptions and dangers .... then leaving bcause it is so bad, or staying and getting muddy.... or worse, searing their consciences.....
The small groups of people getting together to talk about God in truth, see in Malachi, and in the New Testament Examples in God's Word, then look for those in real daily life - in person, not on the internet..... seek out those who are faithful and true, as written, and when (if) you find them, stick with them as long as God Permits.
Hmmm, I think the part where it crosses the line is what I said in my first reply "intentions," and what I mean if a guy wears girly ear rings to look more feminine then that's not right.
Over the years I have had only a handful of friends [not on the Internet] who were also really striving to serve God. I have loved it when I had one. My last one was a friend for many years, but I was his only friend though he had many acquaintances. People did not like him... only tolerating him. He died 3-1-2020 at the age of 68. He fell out of a tree, something that as a tree trimmer he had done many times over the years, but this time it was over.
Finding people, even in churches, who enjoy drinking a cup of coffee and talking about God the things of God and praying together, is not easy. They want to talk about sports or politics or anything but God. I still have a connection with my old pastor, but although I am his only real friend, being 18 years my senior [he's 94] it is not quite the same thing for me although I do try. Now with this virus thing the connection is limited to phone calls. He has never had the Internet and wouldn't know what to do with it if he did.
Give God the glory!
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Yes, likewise, and this same testimony is all too common in the usa. As written "how beautiful (and rare) it is to find brothers living together in unity",
and King David searched boarder to coastline to find honest men to work for him. He would not have (willingly) a dishonest man in his employ.
It is rare just finding someone who agrees that telling the truth is necessary for life, instead of lying is necessary for any reason (like to keep a job, friends, stay in church, etc ) . And it is wonderful and beautiful talking with someone who is totally honest, truthful, in Christ Jesus, and will not lie nor tolerate a lie.
In the world of unbelieving men I expect to see almost anything these days. As bad as it is here in Oklahoma today, the supposed Bible belt, it was this bad when we left California in 1985. What really hurts is to see worldliness creeping into what people are still calling the Church. I know that I am old fashioned about a lot of my preferences, but many of the things I see look like they go right down into a person's heart. That is what God is most definitely looking at in everybody methinks.
I have seen guys with big dangling earrings hanging off their ears before, you know straight away there must be something up with them.
Well I have not see that in a church setting, but then I don't attend much since they removed my pastor. I was visiting a few places but then they started this virus isolation thing. Now I pretty much stay home with mama and get on a couple of Christian forums. That is my socializing and my 'church' going summary... for now. God may not be finished with me yet. I may teach or even preach again before I am done. God knows!
I haven't seen them wearing earrings like that in Church either, well that's a good thing at least haha.
And yeah that's great, I have been watching online services together with my parents, since I still live with my parents.
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