That a good study. All SDAs should read it and digest it.
What do SDAs believe?
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Thanks for the detailed answers, so you guys believe angels are physical beings??
Here is another question. Does the SDA Church instruct people to be vegetarians?
Brakelite
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You forget that the SDA church isn't made up solely of second or third generation Adventist's. People join our church after experiencing the emptiness and short sightedness and error ridden beliefs of evangelical, charismatic, Catholic, and mainline church religiosity. They join our church because of the doctrines we hold. No-one becomes an Adventist because they think, oh, they look like they're having fun. Everybody really hates them, I've always wanted to join a cult.
People don't join our church blindfolded. Before baptism they are made fully aware of our doctrines and beliefs. And they are continually instructed throughout their time here through Sabbath schools and Bible lessons. And Adventist authors are prolific in expounding deeply into the Bible regarding all Bible truth. Most people join our church because they've been searching for truth. Pointing fingers from a distance and reading only what out enemies say about us is not a Bible study. Nor is it a search for truth.
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I have read, watched and listened to plenty of ex-SDA materials, including that one. Pick a point to discuss. Otherwise, it's just self-promotion.
Yes, it is what scripture says:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body [PLEASE NOTE: the text does NOT say "spirit body", which is a contradiction in terms, Luke 24:39 KJB]. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body [PLEASE NOTE: the text does NOT say "spirit body", which is a contradiction in terms, Luke 24:39 KJB]. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Angels, like Gabriel, are called "ministering spirits", and one ministers with the feet, hands, et, their bodies/persons/beings/souls which is directed by their spirit/mind/heart, under the influence of the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Notice that the context of 1 Corinthians 15:38-49 is the resurrection and the glorified body, just as Jesus' own glorified flesh and bone body:
Php_3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Now, notice, what scripture says of the resurrection and of the present state of angelic nature:
Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
I have many more texts which substantiates this. Lucifer (a fallen angel, now satan) himself once wore glorious gems, and precious stones, see Ezekiel 28:13. Angels are not (and never have been) wispy aether. They are solid tangible flesh and bone beings, having a "spiritual body" (a celestial (Heavenly materials, not earthly materials) body under the control of the Holy Ghost, or their own minds a Lucifer/Satan and the fallen hosts).
Paul draws a comparison to from the Sun, Moon and varying stars, all made up of celestial (Heavenly) elements, and differing from one another to those of terrestrial (earthly) elements. Angels are made of higher (Heavenly) materials. They are normally glorious beings, but they can veil their glory when needful (see Genesis 17-19, etc).
PS. that will directly affect the doctrine of "possession", which has nothing to do with the hollywood like mindset that is prevalent today.
You will find wheat and tares, sheep and goats, wise and foolish amidst any congregation of those who take upon themselves the name Seventh-day Adventist. So it will depend upon the doorstep and elders you come into/unto these days. Some could care less, but they do so at their own peril and defiance of the very material written in Scripture and SoP/ToJ.
The Bible (KJB) and the Spirit of Prophecy, or Testimony of Jesus (aka, that which also came by sister White from God's inspiration) teaches Health (reform), more than it does what people call "vegetarianism", or "veganism" (which are names derived from other religious movements). Many use those names, but they do not quite line up with scripture. For instance, a "vegan" is allowed to drink alcohol, while it is forbidden in scripture (Proverbs 20:1, etc). A "vegan" won't eat honey, but the Bible allows it to be eaten in temperance, lest too much and one vomit it out. "Vegetarianism" is more of a cultural thing. So while those words are often used, the real term that should be used is "Health Reformers", or "Health Gospellers", or one might even use "Plant-based diet" or Garden of Eden diet, etc.
You might consider this presentation by this palagi:
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DIE At The T - Sermon - brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
DIE at the T
DIE at the T
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God is concerned with body and mind:
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
The Body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost, and it cannot accept the unclean and abomination in the diet and remain holy and undefiled. God will not accept it as a "living" "sacrifice".
The sanctuary of Heaven (Hebrews 8:2, etc) itself teaches the health laws of God are eternal.
God warns, very strongly, about those who make their belly their god, thinking that they can eat/drink anything they want outside of the true God's health law:
1Co_6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
Php_3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
1Co_3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co_10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Php_3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
1Co_3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co_10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Go read, 1 Corinthians 10; Psalms 78 and Numbers 11. In that order. Read very carefully.
God means what He says:
Isa_66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
I like your questions. Good, simple questions. Feel free to ask anything, really.
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One only has to carefully examine the nonsense of the so-called "Investigative Judgment" to see that Ellen G. White was creating all kinds of man-made (woman-made) doctrines. Actually this doctrine is an attack on the finished work of Christ. Yet hardly anyone took her to task for undermining Gospel truth.
No it is no attack, but it is it's only support.
"... Christ's sacrifice in behalf of man was full and complete. The condition of the atonement had been fulfilled. The work for which He had come to this world had been accomplished. He had won the kingdom. He had wrested it from Satan and had become heir of all things. He was on His way [30] to the throne of God, to be honored by the heavenly host. Clothed with boundless authority, He gave His disciples their commission, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end." Matthew 28:19, 20. {AA 29.2} ..." - Acts Of The Apostles, page 29.2 - https://archive.org/download/sda-ellen-g-white-acts-of-the-apostles-1911/SDA - Ellen G White - Acts Of The Apostles 1911.pdf
What you seem to conflate here in this matter, and I suspect unwittingly, is that there are multiple (ie. differing) atonements found in scripture, for differing matters. For instance, see Leviticus 4 compared to that of Leviticus 16.
Only the work Jesus was given of His Father to do on earth was "finished" (ie laying the foundation, or cornerstone (Himself) of the perfect character; the perfect sacrificial love in demonstration (all that was in the Father's heart)). The "atonement" (Leviticus 4:20,26,31,35) on earth was indeed complete and full, and nothing can be added or taken away from it. Yet it only serves its purpose in the courtyard. There is yet the final atonement in the Heavenly sanctuary, in the true tabernacle which God pitched and not man. There was yet an Heavenly work Jesus is given to do by the Father, and it too must soon be "finished" (Revelation 10:7), see Hebrews 9:28 and Leviticus 16. That was the whole reason Jesus ascended to the Heavenly places.
Scripturally there are multiple "atonements", for instance:
an "atonement" that could be done throughout the year on any day, "daily":
Leviticus 4:20 - And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them.
Leviticus 4:26 - And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him.
Leviticus 4:31 - And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn [it] upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.
Leviticus 4:35 - And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.
but "forgiveness" (remission) of sins, and this "an atonement" does not blot anything out of the record of that sin. The sinner was forgiven at the very gate, but more was then needed from that point onward, and could not be finalized until the Day of Atonement - see also Matthew 18, etc. Forgiveness/remission is but the covering of sin, not the blotting out of sin. Another thing that these passages reveal is that sin is not merely being born, but something that is "committed" [see also 1 John 3:4], and also even something omitted.
You can see the Investigative Judgment, from scripture, here, in this study:
Hide & Seek - The Day Of Atonement - brother Aaron Earnest
or here:
Hide & Seek (Sabbath Divine Service Dec 21, 2019) Bro Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Powerpoint here:
https://archive.org/download/hide-seek/Hide & Seek.pptx
That is incorrect. So let's look at what Ellen G. White actually said in her book "The Great Controversy". Below are direct quotations in purple.
In Ellen G. White's book "The Great Controversy", chapter 23 is titled What Is the Sanctuary? And it is here that she has manufactured her erroneous beliefs about (1) Daniel's 2,300 days, (2) the 70 weeks of Daniel, (3) the connection of those two prophecies to 1844, (4) the connection of 1844 to the entrance of Christ into the heavenly sanctuary, (5) the purported "cleansing" of the heavenly sanctuary, (6) the Investigative Judgment, and (7) Satan as the scapegoat who takes the sins of the world into the "wilderness".
1. WHITE CALLS THE 2,300 DAYS CENTRAL TO SDA BELIEFS
"The scripture which above all others had been both the foundation and the central pillar of the advent faith was the declaration: "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:14."
Fallacy #1. The 2,300 days are an extension of the 70th week of Daniel, which consists of 7 years x 300 days = 2,100 days (which is connected to the Antichrist and is in the future). This is about the temple which the Antichrist will pollute and desecrate.
2. 1844 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE "THE SECOND ADVENT"
"These had been familiar words to all believers in the Lord's soon coming. By the lips of thousands was this prophecy repeated as the watchword of their faith. All felt that upon the events therein foretold depended their brightest expectations and most cherished hopes. These prophetic days had been shown to terminate in the autumn of 1844. In common with the rest of the Christian world, Adventists then held that the earth, or some portion of it, was the sanctuary. They understood that the cleansing of the sanctuary was the purification of the earth by the fires of the last great day, and that this would take place at the second advent. Hence the conclusion that Christ would return to the earth in 1844. But the appointed time had passed, and the Lord had not appeared."
Fallacy #2. Date setting for the Second Coming is not biblical. Therefore this prophecy failed.
3. DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK MISAPPLIED TO CHRIST
" The 2300 days had been found to begin when the commandment of Artaxerxes for the restoration and building of Jerusalem went into effect, in the autumn of 457 B.C. Taking this as the starting point, there was perfect harmony in the application of all the events foretold in the explanation of that period in Daniel 9:25-27. Sixty-nine weeks, the first 483 of the 2300 years, were to reach to the Messiah, the Anointed One; and Christ's baptism and anointing by the Holy Spirit, A.D. 27, exactly fulfilled the specification. In the midst of the seventieth week, Messiah was to be cut off. Three and a half years after His baptism, Christ was crucified, in the spring of A.D. 31. The seventy weeks, or 490 years, were to pertain especially to the Jews."
Fallacy #3. What will apply in the future to the Antichrist and his deceptive covenant with the Jews was applied to Christ and His crucifixion. A very serious error.
4. 2,300 DAYS WERE CONVERTED TO 2,300 YEARS
"At the expiration of this period the nation sealed its rejection of Christ by the persecution of His disciples, and the apostles turned to the Gentiles, A.D. 34. The first 490 years of the 2300 having then ended, 1810 years would remain. From A.D. 34, 1810 years extend to 1844. "Then," said the angel, "shall the sanctuary be cleansed." All the preceding specifications of the prophecy had been unquestionably fulfilled at the time appointed."
Fallacy #4. The year 1844 was miscalculated by misapplying prophecy. There is absolutely no justification for converting days to years in this context and in the actual Hebrew text.
5. 1844 WAS THEN MISAPPLIED TO THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY AND ITS "CLEANSING"
"In their investigation they learned that there is no Scripture evidence sustaining the popular view that the earth is the sanctuary;… The sanctuary in heaven, in which Jesus ministers in our behalf, is the great original, of which the sanctuary built by Moses was a copy… At the termination of the 2300 days, in 1844, there had been no sanctuary on earth for many centuries. Thus the prophecy, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed," unquestionably points to the sanctuary in heaven."
Fallacy #5. Mistakes in Bible interpretation were compounded by more mistakes. and even more mistakes. Yet she is regarded as a "prophetess"!
6. THE REDEMPTIVE WORK OF CHRIST WAS INCOMPLETE
"But the most important question remains to be answered: What is the cleansing of the sanctuary? … After His ascension our Saviour began His work as our high priest... For eighteen centuries this work of ministration continued in the first apartment of the sanctuary. The blood of Christ, pleaded in behalf of penitent believers, secured their pardon and acceptance with the Father, yet their sins still remained upon the books of record… As in the typical service there was a work of atonement at the close of the year, so before Christ's work for the redemption of men is completed there is a work of atonement for the removal of sin from the sanctuary. This is the service which began when the 2300 days ended. At that time, as foretold by Daniel the prophet, our High Priest entered the most holy, to perform the last division of His solemn work—to cleanse the sanctuary."
Fallacy #6. Here is where false doctrine was created for the SDA church. The redemptive work of Christ was finished at Calvary. But not according to White.
7. SINS WERE IMAGINATIVELY "TRANSFERRED" TO HEAVEN
"As anciently the sins of the people were by faith placed upon the sin offering and through its blood transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary, so in the new covenant the sins of the repentant are by faith placed upon Christ and transferred, in fact, to the heavenly sanctuary. And as the typical cleansing of the earthly was accomplished by the removal of the sins by which it had been polluted, so the actual cleansing of the heavenly is to be accomplished by [422] the removal, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded.
Fallacy #7. There is no such teaching in the Bible. Therefore this was pure baloney. Yet hundreds of thousands have followed White's teachings blindly.
8. THEREFORE THE "INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT" WAS INVENTED
"But before this can be accomplished, there must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation—a work of judgment. This work must be performed prior to the coming of Christ to redeem His people; for when He comes, His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his works. Revelation 22:12. Thus those who followed in the light of the prophetic word saw that, instead of coming to the earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844, Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to His coming."
Fallacy #8. What applies to the Judgment Seat of Christ is misrepresented by Christ "finishing" His work of atonement. Spiritual confusion, since she does not even mention the Judgment Seat of Christ where the works of Christians will be judged.
9. SATAN WILL CARRY AWAY THE SINS OF THE SAINTS!
"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed. When the high priest, by virtue of the blood of the sin offering, removed the sins from the sanctuary, he placed them upon the scapegoat. When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty. The scapegoat was sent away into a land not inhabited, never to come again into the congregation of Israel. So will Satan be forever banished from the presence of God and His people, and he will be blotted from existence in the final destruction of sin and sinners."
Fallacy #9. Satan has nothing to do with the removal of sins since he is the source of all sin and evil. And he will not be "blotted from existence" since eternal Hell (the Lake of Fire) was created for the devil and his angels.
Michiah-Imla
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The judgment seat of Christ is where this is going to happen:
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. …and they were judged every man according to their works." (Revelation 20:12-14)
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15)
This includes those individuals who sinned willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth (Hebrews 10:26-31).
Because Paul says this with regards to the Judgment Seat of Christ:
"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men." (2 Corinthians 5:11)
Persuade men of what?
To be saved and not be cast into the lake of fire!
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Michiah-Imla
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What if you’re faithful in observing the Sabbath but are not consistently loving your neighbors as yourself?
Doesn’t keeping the Sabbath become a hypocritical act at that point? A work of vanity?
The Pharisees were very strict in their Sabbath observation, going so far as condemning even works of righteousness performed by Christ himself!
Yet Christ told them to:
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (John 7:24)
Be careful not to leave out the weightier matters of the law in focusing too heavily on one of them:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye …have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith" (Matthew 23:23)
The Sabbath is not included in this list of “weightier matters” of the law…
Why are you confusing the Judgment Seat of Christ (strictly for Christians) with the Great White Throne Judgment (strictly for the unsaved)?
Michiah-Imla
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I am not.
This is another example of what will take place at the judgment seat of Christ:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23)
Desire Of All Nations
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It's pretty hypocritical and ironic that you say this, because mainstream Protestants elevate the doctrines of the Reformers and other self appointed pastors like the heralded "church fathers" to an equal or even greater standing than the doctrines that are actually taught in the Bible.
One cannot "keep" the sabbath holy when one is not consistently loving your neighbour. The law of God is spiritual, and God is not concerned with 7th day keeping (a mere outward conformity). He is concerned with sabbath keeping (the law upon the heart, which causes one to outwardly manifest what is inward). Does that make sense?
The Pharisees were 7th day keepers, but they were sabbath breakers:
Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Joh 7:20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
Joh 7:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers
and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Joh 7:25 Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?
Joh 7:20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
Joh 7:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers
and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Joh 7:25 Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?
Joh_8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh_8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh_8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jesus was giving them true rest, but they sought to murder upon the day of God's rest.
Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The sabbath is about "faith".
Seventh-day Adventists understand that they are the virgins of Matthew 25, and that these texts apply to them. Study each symbol carefully in the parable.
The virgins do not represent other systems of belief/practice, even if they claim to be of Christ Jesus. The other systems of belief/practice that claim to be of Christ Jesus are found in Revelation 17, in "mother" and "harlots". This is only dealing with systems of belief/practice, not individual persons.
See: Revelation 18:4.
Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
The virgins do not represent other systems of belief/practice, even if they claim to be of Christ Jesus. The other systems of belief/practice that claim to be of Christ Jesus are found in Revelation 17, in "mother" and "harlots". This is only dealing with systems of belief/practice, not individual persons.
See: Revelation 18:4.
@Josho
What do Seventh Day Adventists Really Believe? | Adventist.org
But it would be subjective if one accepts all the beliefs here or not.
What do Seventh Day Adventists Really Believe? | Adventist.org
But it would be subjective if one accepts all the beliefs here or not.
As a member of the Seventh-day Adventist remnant movement and present truth peoples, I do not accept point 2. It is in error upon the point, and since they are not a creed it may be safely ignored. There are also other subtil changes that have been made over the years, that were predicted to come by sister White. Never the less, point 1 is the Truth, thus supercedes point 2.
@ReChoired Okay. Can respect that.
Have no relation to the SDA; and am a subjective Christian here. Nice to meet you.
Have no relation to the SDA; and am a subjective Christian here. Nice to meet you.
Brakelite
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