Don't deny the Rapture and be left behind!!!

GISMYS_7 said:

when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him all the Christians who have died.

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When Jesus returns guess who’ll already be here:

“…that Wicked… whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

This alone exposes the pre-tribulation rapture as a lie. When Christ returns he will gather up the saints that we’re beheaded for refusing the mark and those living saints who managed to survive.

These saints will be changed at a twinkling of an eye and return with Jesus to reign with him 1,000 years.

All the saints who died prior to the tribulation will remain in the graves until the end when:

…all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28-29)

This will happen at the great white judgment seat of Christ (his white throne).

Because:

“…the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:” (John 5:22)

stunnedbygrace said:

That’s a good verse. But there are men who don’t necessarily think that means before the time of testing and wonder if it maybe means after. They will admit they don’t know. But if they have been tested while on earth and are pure in trust, I don’t think they will be left behind because they weren’t certain on it. They might be a little more surprised though!

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That's why we should be prepared either way...

Nancy said:

That's why we should be prepared either way...

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Well, yeah! You might die before the gathering!

stunnedbygrace said:

Well, yeah! You might die before the gathering!

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Cool, then I get to go first

OP: Don't deny rapture and get left?

It Is A Very Scriptural Biblical Fact that ALL true believers That The Holy Spirit,
By ONE Baptism, Identified With The Body Of Christ, whether they accept/
don't accept, or are Still Totally Confused about rapture, will Still go, and not
be "left behind" in God's Great GRACE Departure!:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In God's Other Context:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet” in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

To be continued...

Part II

(Previously) The Second Coming, According to earthly Prophecy:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The [Last GRACE] Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)
Note: The First GRACE Trump (Voice) Of God, Was In Acts 9:4!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

GRACE And Peace! The apostle of GRACE (2 Min With The BIBLE)

FULL study:
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part I)
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part II)

GISMYS_7 said:

God says He will return for those looking for Him so those not looking will not be caught up!!!Their choice!

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What part of the Bible did God uttered the above? In fact the opposite is true! Romans 3:10-11 reads:
10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

To God Be The Glory

Aunty Jane said:

For pity’s sake sbg, please go and do some Bible study......the words “presence” and “coming” are two different words with two different meanings. Both are seen in the scriptures. “Playing around with meanings” is what was done with the scripture you rely on.

At Philippians 2:12, Paul speaks of the Philippian Christians as obeying “not during my presence [pa·rou·siʹai] only, but now much more readily during my absence [a·pou·siʹai].” And at 2 Corinthians 10:10-11, after referring to those who said that “his letters are weighty and forceful, but his presence [pa·rou·siʹa] in person is weak and his speech contemptible”....some decent Bible study will dispel your ignorance and actually teach you something. Are you afraid to learn? Are you afraid that it might make you change your view of some things which you seem to cling to without anything holding them up except a perception of what you think the Bible says based on inadequate translation....?

If you took roll call in a Greek classroom a child will not raise their hand and say “coming”...they would say “present”......they aren’t coming, but have already arrived (parousia)......see the difference?
Closed minds will never allow the truth to penetrate...you see, what has been done to you IMO, is obscene....it is a blindness you cannot acknowledge and as long as you fail to see the implications of that, the ignorance will remain.....but that is your choice.

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I do not believe the disciples were asking, what will be the sign of your presence and the end of the age. It doesn’t even make sense.

I don't deny the rapture. In fact, I've already been caught up! Believe me, it's great!

Just a little irritated at others... what are you waiting for?

Mantis said:

I don’t think “denying” the rapture will get you left behind. Denying Jesus will get that done….

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And for the end of this world, just how... does a believer actually wind up denying Jesus you think? Easy...

... by falling away to bow in worship to the pseudo-Messiah in Jerusalem that Jesus and His Apostles forewarned will come first to play Christ.

When Christ's disciples asked Him, "Where, Lord?" about those first ones 'taken' in Luke 17, Jesus answered and said wheresoever the fowls are gathered (to feast) is where the carcase (the dead) will be (Matthew 24:28 for the parallel version).

That means of course... the FIRST ONE TAKEN is to DECEPTION TO THE COMING FALSE MESSIAH that comes first! Thus being 'taken' is a VERY BAD THING! not for those who remain faithful waiting on Jesus.

Not all who are born Israel are of Israel

surely you dont mean the country that we created, Israel, Incorporated?

FHII said:

I don't deny the rapture. In fact, I've already been caught up! Believe me, it's great!

Just a little irritated at others... what are you waiting for?

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So you might note that all this “Jesus returning” and “rapture” jazz is brought to us by the same people that propagated Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, and you might even see that the common denominator is MONEY. Take away the money, see, and the whole concept falls apart. Jesus Returning and Rapture from harpazo are all about MONEY.

bbyrd009 said:

So you might note that all this “Jesus returning” and “rapture” jazz is brought to us by the same people that propagated Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, and you might even see that the common denominator is MONEY. Take away the money, see, and the whole concept falls apart. Jesus Returning and Rapture from harpazo are all about MONEY.

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huh…?

Taken said:

Freewill choice of men. Not all men make the same choices.

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NEVER in this lifetime! Man is spiritually dead and therefore incapable of making "spiritual" choices.
Words like predestination, election, chosen, and saved, to name a few are biblical terms.
Jesus said, "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you...." John 15:16.
By claiming man has a choice in spiritual things makes man the king maker and NOT God!

stunnedbygrace said:

huh…?

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ha well try telling people the real rapture in Songs, or Jesus coming when we see Him as He is, and see how much they are willing to support a “pastor’s” lifestyle then lol